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movie year: 2004
composer: James Horner
label: Warner Bros (48798)
released on 5/11/2004

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1.5 stars
by darthwhoever on 5/15/2004
 
Just watching the movie, and could pick out music themes ripped off of Shostakovich's Symphony No. 5, Star Trek II, and Stargate. Has James Horner stopped bothering to come up with his own music?
 


2.5 stars
by thehappysmith on 1/12/2005
 
I've just seen this movie for the first time and spent most of it wondering whether or not composer Dmitri Shostakovich would a get a credit at the end. I do not hate this soundtrack; I don't think the music is inappropriate or detracted overmuch from the movie itself, which I don't regard as having been the greatest thing since sliced bread anyway. And certainly James Horner is not the first person to rip off older music; witness the never-ending controversy over Jupiter and the Star Trek theme. 90 percent of popular music today consists of nothing but rerecordings and samples of other artists' work. That this rather pitiable trend should extend into movie scores should surprise not a bit. We reap what we sow, after all. What truly annoys me, however, is that Horner did not make a claim in the credits to having "written" this score. The only time his name appears is under the line "Orchestrations by," with four other people. So he is not playing this off as being entirely his own. Given the short span of time he had to work in, it's all but inevitable he'd have to lift from somewhere. Shostakovich's Fifth is one of my favorites so I can't blame him there. No, what really annoys me about this is that few people will recognize Shostakovich's influence on the score and this CD will bring no new fans to the composer's music, which deserves a much wider audience. That Horner might take such liberties with such a wide variety of other peoples' work, and do so entirely without credit, is disgusting. He should be ashamed. If he had simply noted that a particular theme was a direct lift from somewhere else it would be tolerable. You might argue that no one would ever admit that. And if so, then I'd say such sampling is intolerable. Shame on Horner, shame on the producers for letting him get away with plagiarism.
 
*no rating*
by villain_girl_13 on 5/23/2004
 
I've heard that Gabriel Yared was originally recruited for this job, and worked on it for several months. With only five weeks before the movie's release, Yared's score was rejected and James Horner was brought in to replace it.

I'm tempted to give Horner some credit, since it's very hard to put together an epic score in such short time, but I thought someone of his talent would just be able to pull it off. I expected better than this. It was bold, brassy, and downright melodramatic. At times, the score just seemed lost, and the orchestra making it up as they went along.

The trailer's music, I thought was much better than the material in the film. If the music in the trailer is part of Yared's lost score, that's a shame.
 


3.5 stars
by tr on 5/16/2004
favorite track: 12
 
True, Horner appropriated some old tunes but it suited the movie well. Great use of percussion and vocals. And who could argue with Josh Groban!!!
 
.5 star
by neophool on 5/16/2004
 
Horribly annoying and recycled, poorly recorded, performed, "composed," and orchestrated. One of the worst scores I have ever heard. Completely takes you out of the film about a dozen times. Isn't even consistant with mood. Obscene brass cues, repeated string motifs that are just plain ANNOYING, and possibly the worst use of the female voice in the history of film. Okay, it's not THAT bad, but this score is very, very, very poor. It actually hurts the film.
 
5 stars
by mare9129 on 5/16/2004
favorite track: 12
 
OMG!!! I love Troy!! Orlando Bloom is soo hot!! I love "Remember Me"... Josh Groban's voice is gorgeous... it is so soul moving! I love this song sooo much!!!
 
.5 star
by soranasavu on 5/18/2004
 
Having seen the role of music in LOTR and in most of Ridley Scott movies (particularly Gladiator), it is unbelievable how Horner can screw up a soundtrack in this massive way. Not only poorly written, it steals bits and pieces from many other soundtracks and is poorly mixed. It adds nothing but disturbing noise to the battles. And nothing more inappropriate than the end song - which sounded more like a Disney movie than the main song of an epic. Horner should have stopped scoring with Titanic.
 
.5 star
by pocketsushi on 5/18/2004
 
I was just disgusted. Absolute plagiarism! Shosty's 5th, amongst other things! What a great movie, but this guy Horner ruined the movie for people who are intimate with classical music. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
 
3.5 stars
by oolijan on 5/20/2004
favorite track: 1
 
When I watched the movie I found the score to fit very appropriately, but there was something nagging at me the whole time. I realised what it was when the final credits rolled - the main theme sounded eerily like the main theme of Tomb Raider 2, which detracts a bit from enjoying it.
 
5 stars
by atomicflame88 on 5/20/2004
favorite track: 7
 
I think this is very good. Even if you don't see the movie, you need to hear the music (although I recommend the movie as well because it will give you a greater feel of the music and the emotions and feelings involved on the CD). This is excellent and deserves to be among the greatest soundtracks ever composed.
 
2 stars
by thatoboekid on 5/21/2004
 
Horner didn't even bother to mask the Shostakovich theme - it was used many many times in all its original rythyms and intervals.
 
.5 star
by erik on 5/23/2004
 
Come on man, stop ripping off major themes from previous work. I would love to hear something original by James Horner some time in the future! Or maybe not.
 
*no rating*
by mikedambrosio on 5/22/2004
 
Don't forget about Britten's "War Reqiuem." Truthfully, it didn't bother me too much, except when the theme was set triumphantly during the Greeks' retreat from the walls of the city. That seems to me to be somewhat blasphemous.
 
.5 star
by abc on 5/24/2004
 
Terrible soundtrack, and horribly annoying. The soundtrack is totally unoriginal and not appropriate for the movie. The movie was great! But the soundtrack was terrible. James Horner needs some work.
 
2 stars
by ljosaa on 5/25/2004
favorite track: 12
 
When I heard the music before I seeing the movie, I didn't think much of it. After seeing the movie, the music made sense and now I don't think it's too bad. It's just not Horner's best score. I could've been a lot better had he been given more time to finish it. But it's still a shame that Gabriel Yared's music wasn't cleared for the final cut. A shame.
 
4.5 stars
by talieh_dawn on 5/25/2004
 
Watched the film and guessed straight away the composer was James Horner. Could pick out little snatches of Braveheart, Willow, and the end song was very much like Mask of Zorro. At some point, I really did think the music was by Hans Zimmer, as some bits of music were a lot like Gladiator. I really love this soundtrack, and the fact I could recognise other tunes didn't bother me - the score went really well with the film.
 
.5 star
by amozarte on 5/28/2004
 
Horner actually wrote Star Trek II's score, so the most you could fault him for there is lack of creativity.

However, Horner's shameless theft of Shostakovich's Symphony No. 5, as well as David Arnold's Stargate themes is deplorable. I find it sadly ironic that Warner Brothers (a member of the MPAA) would have such blatant lack of respect to the intellectual properties of others... especially considering their own mission to prevent copyright infringement.
 


.5 star
by bcabaniss on 6/5/2004
 
Horner also ripped off Prokofiev, the "Battle on the Ice" from Alexander Nevsky. The music for Troy should be marketed under the alternate title "Suite for Plagarist."
 
.5 star
by buckles on 6/3/2004
 
Gabriel Yared, I sincerely send my condolences to you.... I am without a doubt 100 percent positive that your score for this movie was 100 percent better than this piece of recycled... stuff.
 
4 stars
by dr.colossus on 6/2/2004
 
The so-called Stargate rip-off is actually closer to Horner's own work from Glory (track 6, "Burning the Town of Darien"), yet that was written 4 years before anything heard in Stargate! How come nobody is accusing Arnold of ripping off Horner's score to Glory??? I guess there just isn't a comfortable and popular enough bandwagon for that. Why have Horner's critics stopped coming up with new arguments?
 
3.5 stars
by aalva66 on 6/11/2004
favorite track: 9
 
Not Horner's best but calling it an outright failure is inane. The music is hardly offensive and works most of the time, though I do agree that it is occasionally bombastic. Also, I'm not certain why so many criticize his use of Shostakovich. Do you think he is trying to pass it off as his own work?
 
4.5 stars
by alliescic on 6/16/2004
favorite track: 11
 
I really love the music. James Horner did it again. He is my favourite composer and Troy is wonderful. I really enjoy it. "Remember Me" is brilliant. Josh Groban's voice is amazing.
 
3.5 stars
by Leomajoris on 6/22/2004
favorite track: 11
 
A good, but not great score from Horner that works well with the movie. The triumphant 2nd track and the action cues (especially track 8) are complex, rich and add drama to the scene. "The Finale" was outstanding and evoked the pathos of Troy's demise. Lastly, the song "Remember Me" is well sung, lyrical and deeply moving.

As to the repetitions of earlier works, may I say to the Horner haters that Williams, Barry, Goldsmith etc all have similiar repetitions, or echoes of earlier works in their efforts. I am constrained to point out that the people we love most in our lives have similiar repetitions or echoes in their mannerism, personality, and habits that endear them to us and provide a personal connection, a sense of comfort and familiarity, all essential qualities for human relationships. It is no different in that respect to film score composers. So measure your criticism more carefully, and less personally. At least Horner strives to enrich and bring beauty into our lives when there are all too many whose only contribution is animosity, violence and destruction. Have a nice day.
 


4 stars
by Spartan117 on 6/28/2004
favorite track: 3
 
One word: excellent! James Horner did not let me down. In turns, this soundtrack is explosive, emotional, suspenseful, but overall wonderful. How dare anyone say Mr. Horner hasn't written a piece of original music in 20 years! Troy completely blew me away. It's a shame so many people hate it.
 
3 stars
by the_sly_shyster on 7/2/2004
favorite track: 3
 
When I first saw Troy, I found myself laughing at how utterly bad the score was. Then I saw it a second time and the music seemed to grow on me a bit. Finally, I wasted no time in buying the soundtrack CD, only because I couldn't get the music out of my head. So apparently the score wasn't as bad as I orignally thought (though after hearing Gabriel Yared's score, I just couldn't help but wonder what could have been).

If you think about it, Horner had to do the near impossible: compose and conduct a score in a month and a half. Seeing how little time he had makes me appreciate just how solid this score is, even though it's far from perfect. Take for example Track #2, this piece sounds more like it would be the theme for Mardi Gras back in the 1800's. But truly this is the only real sour note on the CD. There are a few gems to be found like track #3, #6, and #10. There is an almost ghostly feel to "The Wooden Horse" and the "Sacking of Troy." Overall this is a solid score, worthy of a listen if you liked the film.
 


4.5 stars
by earthbound_soul624 on 7/6/2004
favorite track: 12
 
I think too many people relate this movie's music to other movies. If it fit, it fit. I personally felt the haunting melody of the vocalizing woman set a mood... it was amazing.
 
1 star
by webnutt on 7/7/2004
 
I was sorely disappointed with the overall orchestral score of an otherwise epic movie. I feel James Horner didn't really capture the essence of what was happening on screen. The music just didn't seem to fit and was emotionally flat.
 
5 stars
by hybrid_theory117 on 7/23/2004
favorite track: 9
 
I think this is one of the best soundtracks I've heard along with some others. The vocals are stunning. How else can you show the pain of brothers set upon brothers? Cousins for cousins? Husbands and sons not returning to their wives and mothers. Even if you don't see the movie you can FEEL the pain of these people through the singer's voice. You can especially see that in the track "Hector's Death." The vocalist basically cries out with pain to show the pain of a wife watching her husband killed and dragged away in the most humiliating way. What more is needed for this soundtrack? What's wrong with recycling? The point of a soundtrack is not to create a new shhbam but to match the mode and feel of the movie.
 
3 stars
by asmith2535 on 8/11/2004
favorite track: 12
 
Has its moments, and the song "Remember" is lovely, but I definitely expected better. Not enough action music, it's about a WAR for goodness sake!
 
.5 star
by yourfriend4 on 9/25/2004
 
Why can't Horner think of new music? What's wrong with him? Why pay him to score a film when one can simply get the rights to his other scores and mix them into the film? That is basically what he does. I think he is a fine composer, and his musical sensibilities are articulate - but he must start writing music again - not re-writing.
 
2.5 stars
by bleh on 10/10/2004
favorite track: 9
 
This score works really well in the movie... but definitely isn't a good stand alone score as it becomes very boring.

Gabriel Yared's score is much better, unsurprising since he put over a year of development into it (as opposed to a couple months by Horner); shame the test audience apparently wasn't very knowledgeable in the score department.
 


5 stars
by miteva_katja on 11/4/2004
favorite track: 1
 
This is one of the most beautiful music scores I have ever heard. James Horner is a genius! I am Bulgarian and am very proud with the Bulgarian voices heard in the score.
 
5 stars
by NessaSaralonde on 11/5/2004
favorite track: 12
 
That final number with Josh Groban takes my breath away! The theme is beautiful and flies you to a foreign land, where wonders take place....
 
4 stars
by King_billi on 11/23/2004
 
It seems people who love this just enjoy the music... like people who don't hate the familiarity. I guess I'm lucky I can't recognize themes in music otherwise I might have been disappointed by this soundtrack. I just know it sounds great.
 
3.5 stars
by ddongjjiper on 12/31/2004
 
I don't really think Josh Groban is one of my favorite singers (I am not a Josh Groban fan), but his voice is incredibly beautiful and rich. I just love his voice and I really fell in love with the song "Remember Me." Troy made me mad at first because the movie didn't follow any of the greek myth, but it has its own touch and there is definitely something about the movie that follows the theme of the song "Remember Me." I really wouldn't be too ticked about Troy's score "ripping" off some other ones. It might not be the very best soundtrack in the world, true, but if you look at the movie, and the singer, it just fits.
 
4 stars
by shoosherry on 1/5/2005
 
First, let's establish the fact that a soundtrack is literally just that... a track of sounds... i.e. songs and music. And, the combination thereof is considered a musical score. Horner has compiled a musical backdrop that is both rich in texture and haunting in presence. Literally, haunting. Very often in movies, I don't even notice the music. Throughout this entire movie, I was aware of the music... not disturbed or distracted, but aware. I would credit Horner's work with the racing of my heart through the entire film. I would certainly by this CD. Those who are critics would do well to consider exactly what they are critical of... is it because they are bothered that the music isn't all original? If that is the case, who cares? I have a million CDs that aren't all original works. This score more than fits the movie... it will haunt you. And frankly, isn't that what this movie is about? It's not about a war... it's about motive, reasons, one man's glory at another man's loss... and it's about hope. You will get that in this soundtrack.
 
5 stars
by ladypandora721 on 1/9/2005
favorite track: 4
 
This is an excellent soundtrack, considering the short notice to Horner to deliver. I believe people are completely wrong about James Horner when they criticize him ripping off previous pieces. He is one of the greatest composers and the Troy soundtrack proves this.
 
.5 star
by butter_cup56 on 5/16/2004
 
Yes, he has. The movie was great, but the musical score kept nagging at me through-out because it was so familiar sounding. When I read the credits and saw Horner's name, I realized why - he hasn't written an original piece of music in 20 years. What a poor choice on Wolfgang Peterson's part.
 
.5 star
by gulevek02 on 2/9/2005
 
I do not own the CD. I am in the middle of watching the DVD right now. I just heard Shoshtakovich's 5th for the second time. It is so blatantly ripped off, it's not even funny. It's not just the theme, it seems like Horner cut parts of the original and just put them in the movie. I looked online to see if this music is credited, and I am amazed to see that is is not. Other artists have been downright sued for less obvious plagiarism. I am surprised this was even allowed to be released.
 
3 stars
by pelicanoeuf on 2/27/2005
favorite track: 12
 
I personally bought this soundtrack because of the end title song "Remember Me" sung by Josh Groban. I do own three soundtracks featuring James Horner's work, and they all contain very similar elements.
 
4 stars
by peachy511 on 7/6/2005
favorite track: 12
 
The only thing that should matter about the music/score in a soundtrack is whether or not it goes along with the mood of the film. Music professional I am not, just an ordinary movie-goer who thinks the score for this film is PERFECT!! You guys are way too critical!! The music made this movie even that much better, ESPECIALLY Josh Groban! What a way to end a movie... he gives my chillbumps the chillbumps. Stop being so critical just because it doesn't fit your particular "style" or taste. I'm not a professional musician, but I know good music from bad music, and I thought this music was beautifully done.
 
5 stars
by hut0003 on 8/31/2005
favorite track: 3
 
James Horner has again composed some beautiful music. While parts of this score are, admittedly, somewhat reminiscent of some of his previous works (the opening of track three reminds me of Star Trek II and Star Trek III), he has created a masterpiece, considering the time he had to write this score. Troy is one of his best efforts, and Horner does not only justice to the film, but the story of Troy as well.

The opening track has an ancient Mediterranean feel to it, which is repeated throughout most of the score, notably tracks two, three, six and eleven. French orns, trumpets and violins/violas feature prominently in these tracks, as well as the timpani and other stringed instruments. These tracks are where the major action takes place.

Tracks four, five and seven, while very quiet and slow, have Horner's main romantic theme and use the woodwind/string section very well. Once again, the London Symphony Orchestra is used, as well as the Bulgarian Women's Choir.

James Horner has composed one of the best soundtracks I have heard, and it is worth listening too, even if you haven't seen the film.
 


.5 star
by pforrest on 9/13/2005
 
Just watched the movie on tv, and immediately Googled for "Troy music plagiarism." Shocking, shocking, shocking. How anyone could rip off such vital themes as this and not credit them....
 
3.5 stars
by shortstuff463 on 10/16/2005
 
I'm guessing that most viewers aren't too "keen" on music theory. I am in my second year of studying music theory and I have to say that I am appalled by the accusations being put on such a great composer like James Horner. Do you think that John Williams, Danny Elfman and Howard Shore don't have repeated themes once in a while? Of course they do! That's what distinguishes them from other composers. You may think Troy's score sounded a lot like Shostakovich's 5th Symphony. It has some simililarities yes. Same key perhaps? Common chord progressions? How about some simlarities in the choices of cadences on phrases? Just because it sounds the same to the "average musical ear" does not mean that it's ripped off. Unless you actually have the scores placed side by side with one another will you truly know. Unless you are a composer yourself or you have any knowledge once so ever about music theory or composing, then you have no right to criticize so harshly. You try to do what he does! I have a hard time composing 18th century 4 part harmony for my music theory class and he's composing an entire score for a motion picture... in less than two months I hear?
 
5 stars
by merula1985 on 11/13/2005
favorite track: 12
 
I love Josh Groban singing "Remember." I own just that one song, and it is beautiful. I definitely recommend buying the CD just for that song. I am going to buy the CD myself soon!
 
5 stars
by Bhmsbabee on 12/27/2005
favorite track: 12
 
I really love the song! It's so beautiful. Josh Groban performs it very well. I hope to hear a lot more form Josh Groban because he has an awesome voice. I can listen to him all day.
 
*no rating*
by pennyball14 on 3/29/2006
favorite track: 1
 
I do not own this soundtrack, but I will tell you right now this movie has the best music I have ever heard in my life. Don't listen to any of these other people! When Achilles died, the music is amazing.
 
4 stars
by diachenko on 4/1/2006
 
First of all, let me say that this is one of my favorite Horner scores. It works in the movie and is genuinely exciting music. However, as a university professor of classical music and one who has done some composing, I feel quite qualified to be critical of Horner's blatent ripoffs, both of himself and other composers. This isn't to say that it's always a problem to quote others in a score... it's done all the time. Heck, even classical composers did it (Shostakovich among them). But Horner does it so much and with the same pieces, that his originality is truly in question. There's no denying that he knows how to write a moving and exciting score. But nearly all of his scores of the past 15-20 years can so easily be connected to others of his works that it's become a joke. On the other hand, the composer is often hamstrung by the director or producer, and with temp scores being used so much, a lot of the blame lies with those guys. The composer rarely gets to write entirely what he really wants to write. One of my close friends works with John Ottman, so I've heard more of the inside workings on these things. So, I know Horner rips people off (including sometimes crediting himself for playing the piano parts when it's actually Randy Kerber), but I can put that aside and enjoy many of his scores anyway. Troy is one of them.
 
5 stars
by white_wolf689 on 6/10/2006
favorite track: 8
 
I thought it a great soundtrack. I don't agree with some of the bad reviews. Sure, some of the stuff is recycled from other scores, but what's wrong with that? The point is to give a feel to the movie and the emotions with it, not create new sounds. This one has great percussion, powerful brass, and smooth woodwinds to give a feel for different scenes in the movie. The movie's great, and so is the music with it. The "Remember Me" song is excellent. Never heard a more soothing and sexy voice from a man in my life. It was great: the movie, music, and people who made it happen.
 
2 stars
by nclepaul on 11/30/2006
 
The music from Stargate is heavily associated with Stargate and therefore cannot add anything to Troy. Surely Horner realises he cannot get us to switch musical allegiances so quickly. I don't object to the Shostakovich in this case, as I have no other film in mind when I hear it.
 
2.5 stars
by david.peers on 2/21/2007
 
It seems to me most composers would "lift" music in a more subtle way. I think Horner is just paying homage to a great composer and let's face it, for most people this is the only time they'll hear the great man. Here is one for the nerds... can anyone spot the lift from the final movement of the (unfairly in my opinion) maligned "Shos 12" in Monty Pythons opening business-pirate sketch from The Meaning of Life?
 
1 star
by kdr on 5/16/2009
 
I have long been a James Horner fan, but his flagrant transcription of themes from Shostakovitch 5 is beyond coincidental. It's brazen hubris to take such a work and expect it to go unnoticed. The legitimacy of the score is impaired by this above all other suggestions. The utilization of one's own work may be lazy, but it is legitimate under time constraint; perhaps not creatively but certainly legally if not ethically. However, the infringement in the case of Shostie 5 is inappropriate to an unforgivable fault. One poster asked why Horner "critics" have ceased bringing "arguments." I am no critic of Horner writ large; I like his work tremendously - I am a composer of wind band literature myself - but there is no further "argument" required to assert that this score is illegitimate, as I do, because of his engagement in what is or is tantamount to plagiarism.
 
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