Can you see Elfman doing the score?

Burton Helming ‘Apes’?

Given that 20th Century Fox announced the Planet of the Apes project last
March at ShoWest as having a 2001 release date, things really have to start
moving soon on this project. Now, according to a number of sources, Tim
Burton is in final negotiations to helm the film with word that a signing
could happen today.

Though the details of the film’s script, which has been making the rounds of
directors under very careful control of Fox, are still secret, it is still
that of the previously reported Bill Broyles. Last March, when Broyles
script was reported, it was also noted that plans were afoot to "youthify"
the franchise with the film’s lead character being young. In fact, Variety
is reporting that the script would need actors in the age range of Leonardo
DiCaprio or Matt Damon, though neither are specifically mentioned as being
in the running for the film.

In addition, "insiders" in contact with Variety are saying that the new film
is neither a remake or a sequel but instead will be a "re-imagining" of the
original series.

The film, which as yet has no producer or cast, is being targeted for
release on the 4th of July weekend in 2001. Given the time involved in
making a film like this work, one would imagine that pre-production would
begin as soon as Burton signs to ensure the film hits theaters on time.

I hope Goldsmith gives this one a wide berth!!!

Get your hand's off of my score you damn dirty apes!!!!

dave

Elfman himself is quite the Goldsmith fan (he voted for Goldsmith's L.A. CONFIDENTIAL as Best Score, even over TITANIC and -- the capper -- Elfman's own nominated GOOD WILL HUNTING ... that's how big a fan he is. "Groupie" is actually the word he uses!) I'd be charmed to hear an Elfman "cover" of Goldsmith's original.

If it comes down to an original score, though (Burton will be the one who decides this), either Elfman or Shore would be wonderful choices, though my personal vote would probably go to Christopher Young. Carter Burwell, too, would do a pretty interesting job.

Don't belive me? Go whatch PusVanSaint "Psychi"... with score composed by Bernard Herrman, orchestrated by S. Bartek and conducted by Whoever. Did I miss someone? I can't remember...

I think Timmer is right, Goldsmith's original score is truly one of THE landmark film scores, and, unless the film turns out to be exceptionally good, I think he should keep away from it. I kind of hope he keeps his distance, just out of respect for his friend, the late director Franklin J. Schaffner.

please get over that notion.
most composers do not conduct their own works.

And Mr. Lux...well, you have a strange sense of humor. I´ll try to ignore it, okay?

I think it has something to do with the nature of sound recording now. Although even Ifukube, an absolute purist when it comes to the final sound of things, prefers to make his music from the booth; he'll conduct rehearsals (and at the sessions for GODZILLA VS. KING GHIDRAH in 1991, I saw him shuffle OUT of the booth to take the podium and show 'em what he meant) -- but by and large, he thinks he gets better results if he's listening in the booth, not on the stage. Who can argue with that?

Goldsmith didn't conduct the original versions of SAND PEBBLES, ALIEN or the OMEN trilogy, either. (For contract purposes, WILD ROVERS was billed as conducted by Sidney Sax, the leader of the National Philharmonic, but it was actually Goldsmith -- that's funny, Goldsmith "ghost-conducting" his own score.)

Andre buddy, I hate to disagree with you so publicly -- and it's not about making you like Elfman, which I know I can't do -- but his own frequent conductor Jonathan Sheffer (who also conducts for Goldenthal, whom you LIKE) told me directly how much Elfman REALLY works with the orchestra -- he told me "Danny has a KILLER set of ears on him," and that every final note is Elfman's creation: no ghostwriters, no ghostcondcutors (since the conductors are freely billed in the credits, ditto his orchestrators -- something Horner doens't bother with anymore, I've noticed) -- the final score that we hear is the precise one that ELFMAN wanted. I dare say Michael Kamen, who DOES conduct his own sessions but is WELL KNOWN to farm out a lot of his stuff, cannot always say the same. (We'll not get into the Media Ventures people, sigh and a half ... )

Again, I can't make you LIKE Elfman's music, Andre, but I think I really must stick up for Danny Elfman's very real and well-known professionalism. Too many people who know about it UP CLOSE have told me about it (for the record, I don't know Elfman myself); and these are not people who have reason to lie. Sheffer, in particular, is a thoroughly impeccable character who doesn't decide to like Elfman because he needs the money (Sheffer is OLD money ... )

Still pals, Andre? (come on, admit it -- you don't TOTALLY hate Elfman, you liked MIDNIGHT RUN didn'tcha -- how about A SIMPLE PLAN?)

Yrs.,

"Hank"

NP: PAPILLON ("Survival" just ended but I think I'll put "Hospital" on again)

P.S. I'm fairly sure Goldsmith wouldn't go near the APES remake for the same reason he didn't go near Schaffner's last picture WELCOME HOME -- it was finished long after the director passed away, and "Jerry" would only have wanted to do it without "Frank's" input. The composer finally was Henry Mancini, who also did a picture earlier that year for producer Martin Ransohoff, directed by Michael Crichton, ironically, another director who preferred to hire Goldsmith -- title forgotten, but it was kind of a sequel to JAGGED EDGE, except featuring Theresa Russell and Burt Reynolds -- last picture Crichton has formally directed to date, I think.)

No. The differece here is: some people are TALENTED while others aren't. Simple.
I agree with Rocco, my old pal, that mr. Elf-man is a very professional and handsome human being, but he has no talent for (film) music (in my opinion, of course. I am perfectly aware of the Elfman Cult around teenagers of the world. Go figure...)
What can we do? Nothing, of course. He has done some one or two nice scores, right? And he's better than Zimmer and his drones(altough I can't say this is a cumpliment) who can't compose even a decent cue in the movies they polute with all that noise.

And about PusVanSaint ridiculous remake of "Psycho" I was just trying to figure out what Elf-man did on the re-recording of the score, since it was composed by Herrman & orchestrated and conducted by Bartek... I didn't hear the re-recording. Did Elf-man inserted some FUNFA-FUN-FA motifs in Herrman's score?? Irgghhhhh...

Thanks and be welcome to disagree with me.

Let me see, should a composer conduct his own scores. We had this debate a long time ago. I believe the composer should yet I understand that great composers don't always make good conductores. So to each his own I guess. Interesting thing about James Newton Howard is that he used to conduct his scores, now he doesn't.

I believe Elfmann to be an incredible composer. By no means is he my favorite, but he is very talented nonetheless. Gosh, if I could compose like that I would be very happy. Zimmer and his pals, I believe they do a good job. Mancina did great for Twister. Zimmer and his Backdraft and Thin Line score and his African based scores are very good indeed. At least that is what I think.

But, what do I know...

Scott

I don't believe Elfman's scores would be any better if he could conduct his own works, neither Zimmer's and his clones (some of them conducted scores of their own and the result was bad as usual).

James Horner is a great conductor. But listen to his scores. So much derivative and unoriginal that makes you wonder what's wrong with the guy's head...

But I don't think a remake of Planet of the Apes would be a good thing. I think it would turn out like The Island of Dr. Moreau, the oriinal movie was a classic but the remake left a lot to be desired.

Andre: Rosenman IS a great composer!

Herbert von Karajan conducted the world premiere of one of Shostakovich's symphonies. The composer said that he thought Karajan's interpretation was perfect.

But then anything's better than if it was still the michael "Miller Time" bay version with hans zimmer's latest blast of sonic enema.