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    Topic:   Universal logo music

     starblade
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    Does anyone know if this piece by Goldsmith exists anywhere? I'd like to have it, if it's available.

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    posted 04-02-2000 10:32 PM PT (US)     

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    I doubt it's available anywhere, but you could always record it onto a CDR.

    And who did the original logo? It was Horner, wasn't it?

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    posted 04-02-2000 10:39 PM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    dantoris, I don't know why you've been having problems with the RealAudio player, but I don't pretend to be a computer expert. Sorry you can't get more out of this particular site:
    http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Academy/9059/goldsmith.htm

    Which has Goldsmith's Universal logo, his Cinergi logo, his Oscar theme, and a colossal mass of other great downloadables. Enjoy if you're able. (wish you could, dantoris, but surely there's a way?)

    NP: HAWKINS ON MURDER (great TV theme from that selfsame site)

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    posted 04-02-2000 10:51 PM PT (US)     

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    Horner did the logo before Goldsmith, but it was by no means the original. The very first Universal Pictures logo music was composed by Walter Greene back in the 30's or 40's.

    James

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    posted 04-03-2000 01:06 PM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    Who did the logo that is so familiar from various Universal TV shows from the 1970s? I've always loved that one. (There were at least three versions, and Goldsmith recorded an alternate version, with a slightly sweeter ending, expressly for the TV broadcasts of the miniseries MASADA. I'd hope that's on the expanded.)

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    posted 04-03-2000 01:13 PM PT (US)     

     James
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    That could have been John Williams's logo music. Here are the composers of Universal Logo music in chronological order (I think):

    Walter Greene
    Jimmy McHugh
    John Williams
    James Horner
    Jerry Goldsmith
    (source: www.filmmusic.com )

    James

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    posted 04-03-2000 01:36 PM PT (US)     

     Howard L
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    I have a tape from a film music radio show from the Boston area & they played a game of can you guess with 5 fanfares: Universal, MGM, 20th Century Fox, Columbia, and I can't recall the last (Republic?). That old Universal one is great. One of my favorites is The Thing (1951) when the final chord of Winchester Pictures logo/theme segued directly into Tiomkin's chilling opening title music. The opening title in itself was a killer.

    [This message has been edited by Howard L (edited 03 April 2000).]

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    posted 04-03-2000 01:56 PM PT (US)     

     Graham Watt
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    Is that the right order, James?

    In the early to mid-sixties, several films used the Universal Goldsmith logo, originally from A Gathering Of Eagles.

    Have I misunderstood the topic?

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    posted 04-03-2000 02:01 PM PT (US)     

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    Thanks Rocco. That was the one. I was able to download and listen to all those wonderful tidbits.


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    posted 04-03-2000 09:22 PM PT (US)     

     James
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    You've confused me now, Graham. I was under the impression that the logo currently in use (which Goldsmith composed) was new, and I don't remember hearing it in "A Gathering of Eagles." (Although I haven't seen it in a long time). Perhaps there was another one? I'm totally confused now.

    James

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    posted 04-04-2000 01:14 PM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    Without something downloadable or exchangeable, we're not going to be able to establish which logo is which. I think my reference to the 1970s and early 1980s TV shows for Universal is easy enough to cross-check -- but when did James Horner ever write a logo track, and where was it used? This is honestly the first I've ever heard of it.

    I've never heard A GATHERING OF EAGLES, so I can't speak for that one. However, that was released in 1963, and the "classic" Universal logo as I think of it only pertains to the 1970s.

    Puzzles, puzzles ...

    wait, all I have to do is follow James' link ... see you later, gentlemen.

    [This message has been edited by H Rocco (edited 04 April 2000).]

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    posted 04-04-2000 02:01 PM PT (US)     

     Graham Watt
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    I'm remembering now, but I don't think I'm clearing anything up...

    In the early to mid 70s, when I first started going regularly to the cinema and noticing scores, I was always hooked by the logo music. It created a real sense of anticipation. Some of my favourite films in those innocent days (Earthquake, for example) were preluded by a wonderfully strong deep brass thing.

    Years later I saw A Gathering Of Eagles on TV, and I immediately recognized the pre-credits musical quote, when you see the Universal globe. After a few minutes the main titles started, and I realised that this was the basis for the whole score.

    Are we more confused now?

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    posted 04-04-2000 02:35 PM PT (US)     

     Chris Kinsinger
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    I AM!

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    posted 04-04-2000 02:51 PM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    I'm lost ... you can't even rent GATHERING OF EAGLES at anyplace I go to ...

    Ford T.? Roger F.? Anyone? ANYONE?

    Incidentally, James's link resulted in "Connection REFUSED," much more hostile and insistent than "Connection timed out." So who knows what info was posted there ...

    [This message has been edited by H Rocco (edited 04 April 2000).]

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    posted 04-04-2000 03:15 PM PT (US)     

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    You can listen to A Gathering of Eagles main title at the DECONSTRUCTING GOLDSMITH wbe site. This address should take you directly to the page:

    http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Academy/9059/eagles.htm

    You can decide for yourself, I guess. I'm still confused.

    Now about that link... it's working for me, so I don't know what the problem is. Try this instead: http://www.soundtrack.net . It's the same web site at a different address. Once you're there, click on "resources" and once you're at that page then click on "logo music."

    James

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    posted 04-05-2000 12:54 PM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    Aha, I see they've made some updates at DECONSTRUCTING GOLDSMITH ... I'm pretty sure A GATHERING OF EAGLES wasn't there before, nor THE HOMECOMING (which I'm downloading now -- what other treasures lie below ...)

    Anyway, downloading and listening to EAGLES, it most definitely does not contain a single bar of the logo I'M referring to. Which I think was only used for Universal's TV shows, as a tag. I'm not sure Universal even USED a logo theme for its feature films of the 1970s. The TV tag ould well be the work of John Williams, but it's so short it doesn't betray ANYONE'S particular style.

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    posted 04-05-2000 08:22 PM PT (US)     

     Graham Watt
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    Maybe what I was thinking of was never really Universal's logo music at all. But it WAS originally the Universal logo on A Gathering Of Eagles. I heard it umpteen times in my early cinema-going days in the UK, as a prelude to Earthquake etc. But it always seemed tacked on, and maybe some of the films weren't even Universal.

    It started with a big blue screen, then some huge letters would spell out...I can't remember, maybe "CIC". What could that be? The distributer? Anyway, it WAS A Gathering Of Eagles, it WAS, IT WAS, IT WAS!

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    posted 04-13-2000 03:19 PM PT (US)     

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    See, that's the type of detail I needed. It sounds to me like that must be a regional distributor which had a DEAL with Universal.

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    posted 04-13-2000 03:26 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by starblade:
    Does anyone know if this piece by Goldsmith exists anywhere? I'd like to have it, if it's available.

    I ripped it from my "Dragonheart" DVD a few days ago and converted it into a wav file (should even be in Dolby Surround, if I've used the program correctly ). It's cool!

    The file has slightly less than 4 MB, so if that's not too much for you, I can send it to you if you want. Just let me know.

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    posted 04-13-2000 05:09 PM PT (US)     

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    I think the confusion lies in which medium the logo cue is heard. Universal did not utilize any music for theatrical presentations...if anyone might recall...an image of the Earth gradually faded in, but in silence. On television, however, they did utilize that very familiar anthem, a particularly memorable after-credit closure to all those detective series from the '70's.

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    posted 04-14-2000 12:03 AM PT (US)     

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    Since when did Williams compose a Universal logo? The only logo's I know he has composed are to Ladd Co, Amblin and Dreamworks. At least, that's what I thought...

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    posted 04-14-2000 05:54 AM PT (US)     

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    I think I remember the Universal '75th anniversary' logo music was done by Williams.
    Yes?


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    posted 04-15-2000 12:44 AM PT (US)     

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    Oh yeah, Marian;
    I would be happy to get that wav. file from you, if it's not too much trouble. :-)

    Hmmmm......I think I've began a crusade now to find and acquire all the famous logo musics over the years. This could be interesting....

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    posted 04-15-2000 12:48 AM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    quote:
    Originally posted by starblade:
    Oh yeah, Marian;
    I would be happy to get that wav. file from you, if it's not too much trouble. :-)

    No problem, I've e-mailed you.

    quote:
    Hmmmm......I think I've began a crusade now to find and acquire all the famous logo musics over the years. This could be interesting....

    Yeah, I intend to do the same thing. At least, I'm going to rip all the logo music from the few DVD's I have so far and make a compilation CD.

    Actually, is there any other logo music that was released on a score CD, except for the Fox Fanfare? I've got that one on several CDs, but no other. Well, except for Steiner's Warner Bros. Fanfare, which is included in several cues on the Gerhardt CDs...

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    posted 04-15-2000 07:05 AM PT (US)     

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    Hmmmm...let's see, as far as my remembrance goes (back to about 1975)-

    Fox has only had the one fanfare

    Warner Bros. has a fanfare--I think it's the one on the front of Gremlins, because I saw another Warner Bros. movie (older than Gremlins) somewhere along the line and heard that beginning bit and immediately thought of Gremlins

    I know I've heard once (and my district manager told me that he remembers one) a fanfare-ish piece of music for Paramount

    There's Tri-Star logo piece

    I believe there's one for Columbia also

    We know there's been several for Universal

    There was one for Orion Pictures

    Goldsmith's one for Cinergi

    Silvestri did one for Silver Pictures (I have this one)

    I think someone (Goldsmith?) did one for Carolco

    There was a kinda cheesy one for Cannon Pictures


    that's all I can think of now.......


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    posted 04-15-2000 10:01 AM PT (US)     

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    Starblade,

    If I'm not mistaken (and you should all know by now that I often am), the Warner fanfare at the start of Gremlins was the Steiner one.

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    posted 04-15-2000 10:09 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by starblade:
    Fox has only had the one fanfare

    But in different versions. There's the 1953 version (although the Empire Strikes Back booklet says that it was composed in 1933!?), which is included on all those Varese Fox Classics CDs, and the expanded 1954 versions, which is at least available on the Star Wars: A New Hope special edition CD, and as a re-recording by Williams on the other 2 special edition albums.

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    Warner Bros. has a fanfare--I think it's the one on the front of Gremlins, because I saw another Warner Bros. movie (older than Gremlins) somewhere along the line and heard that beginning bit and immediately thought of Gremlins

    I don't know what music was used for Gremlins, so I can't say if it's the same fanfare as the one I know. But Max Steiner composed a Warner Bros. fanfare in the Golden Age, which he directly incorporated into many of his main titles. That's the reason why you can hear it several times on the Gerhard recordings.

    I don't know if the short "jingle" on the Matrix DVD is used in other instances as well.

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    posted 04-15-2000 10:15 AM PT (US)     

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    The opening bars of GREMLINS are definitely Max Steiner's, as rearranged and conducted by Goldsmith.

    Other logos:

    Joseph Harnell's MGM/UA piece (which I never liked, it was kind of harsh and ugly to my ears, but that's the one they picked -- if I remember right, he'd written prettier alternatives, but that's the one they picked.

    Michael Kamen's logo for Morgan Creek is obviously based on his theme for that company's ROBIN HOOD: PRINCE OF THIEVES.

    As Goldsmith's logo for Carolco is obviously based on his RAMBO theme for them.

    I believe it was Morton Stevens who wrote an old CBS Night at the Movies logo, but that's been out of circulation for at least twenty years (they mocked up a new one for prime-time, and moved that theme to late-night for a while). I always wondered about those old network-night-at-the-movies themes, and am irritated that they've kind of died out, since they always, to me, gave the experience a certain sense of Occasion. Now they don't even run end credits anymore (except squeezed into that little box at the right while the ads go on.)

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    posted 04-15-2000 11:57 AM PT (US)     

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    I would guess that David Arnold composed the CENTROPOLIS logo music at the beginning of GODZILLA? Anyone know?

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    posted 04-15-2000 07:07 PM PT (US)     

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    Yeah, that's right about the Fox logo. There are different recorded versions through the years; and also the short and long (Cinemascope extension) versions, but it has stayed pretty much the same over the years.

    I forgot about the UA logo music (the one that was used on the middle Bonds)


    I don't know anything about pre 70's logo music (like Republic, Embassy, American International, etc), or what they were (if there were--I'm sure some of them did)

    Gosh-now I'm going to have to go play all my laserdiscs and tapes and go rent movies again just to find them all...........whew

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    posted 04-15-2000 08:58 PM PT (US)     

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    I guess the Fox Fanfare on the Varese disc IS from 1953, as they state, and the Empire Strikes Back booklet has an error, right?

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    posted 04-16-2000 02:30 PM PT (US)     

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    starblade: There is, of course, the spooky Goldenthal-alteration of the Fox fanfare in ALIEN3, but you knew that....

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