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meegle Oscar® Winner	http://www.searth.net/wfnews/ So the link above reports that Jones MAY score the next Batman film. I realize that its neither here or there but its interesting nonetheless. I'd love to see a new Batman film.....but who knows how they'd treat it? I've yet to see "Pi" by the Aronofsky. He's supposedly the new films director. Once again we'll just wait and see huh?
posted 07-08-2000 08:24 AM PT (US)

TimT Oscar® Winner	That really is great news, almost as good as this dream I had where Goldsmith is scoreing Predator 3.
posted 07-08-2000 08:47 AM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by meegle: I've yet to see "Pi" by the Aronofsky. A VERY impressive film. I've seen it recently, but only once, which is definitely not enough to understand something.
posted 07-08-2000 09:43 AM PT (US)

JJH Oscar® Winner	PI indeed is a very witty, intelligent, original film. something so many movies lack these days. I dare you to buy the soundtrack CD.
posted 07-08-2000 09:50 AM PT (US)

H Rocco Oscar® Winner	God forbid there should be a BATMAN 5, scored by Jones or not. What'll they call it this time? BATMAN AGAIN? BATMAN OVER AND OVER? Anyway, I find Jones so erratic that I'd never trust him to pull this job off. And I seriously doubt that they'd engage him, or anyone, this far in advance. As for PI: I respected it more than I liked it; it was nervy as hell to try and make a thriller about mathematics, and I admired the gritty black-and-white look of it. But I lost interest after a while in anything except how much they were able to accomplish on such a low budget. I was especially struck by the number of scenes they appeared to have stolen on the New York subway ... I specify "stolen" because union rules would have made it impossible for such a cheap, non-union movie to grab so much. (I even recognized all the stations they used ... they must have grabbed these shots in the middle of the night. If I were them, I'd have used a particular station in Bay Ridge, though -- slowest trains in the city.) But the one bit that surprised me the most was when the hero crosses between cars -- in a model which specifically does not permit this. That means they knew someone who had the keys, and let them do it. Theoretically I could be wrong, but I doubt it. New York makes it VERY difficult and expensive to shoot here, so I look at a no-budget movie like PI, and I wonder, admiringly, how they pulled it off. I will need to know someday soon.
posted 07-08-2000 10:07 AM PT (US)

Shaun Rutherford Oscar® Winner	A friend of mine has this on DVD. Maybe they mention this on the commentary. Shaun
posted 07-08-2000 10:10 AM PT (US)

Al Oscar® Winner	No. No. The last one was "Batman and Robin." So since it is another sequel, they would need to add something to it. Let's think about the whole idea and what would fit... aha. Batman and Robin and The 3 Ninjas Kick Back and Make a Little More Money To Put In Studio Executives' Pockets. NP: Kamen's "Event Horizon"
posted 07-08-2000 10:22 AM PT (US)

dantoris Oscar® Winner	If they are indeed going to make another Batman, the only way to get the franchise back on track is to let the guys who do the animated series do the movie. They've been with the characters for ten years (it started in 92, but planning went back as far as late 1990). Let them write and direct it, get Kevin Conroy for Batman/Bruce Wayne, Shirley Walker to score it, keep the number of heroes/villains low, lose the corny dialogue, keep away any and all songs by "music" groups, and I'll be first in line on opening day.
posted 07-08-2000 11:05 AM PT (US)

H Rocco Oscar® Winner	Conroy does look the part. (Not all voice actors do.) And no doubt Shirley Walker would score the hell out of it.
posted 07-08-2000 01:06 PM PT (US)

dantoris Oscar® Winner	Kevin Conroy does indeed look the part, your H'ness. I've met him in person, too, so I've seen him up close and personal, and thus can safely say he would make a fantastic-o Batman and Bruce Wayne. Actually, in my opinion, he is Batman. I don't know how Mark Hamill would be as a live-action Joker (he is a little short), but it would interesting to see. You never know, though. Hamill is a pretty good actor (and most of America doesn't even know), so he probably could pull it off. NP: Sounds Exciting - "The Presidio: Quick Exit" ***/*** (I just can stop playing this CD. It's EXCELLANT!!) [This message has been edited by dantoris (edited 08 July 2000).]
posted 07-08-2000 01:12 PM PT (US)

John C Winfrey Oscar® Winner	No, folks. The most original title that there is for the new Batman movie is: Batman V.
posted 07-08-2000 02:14 PM PT (US)

H Rocco Oscar® Winner	I think Hamill would be a spectacular live-action Joker. I think him a thoroughly underrated performer -- excellent in EMPIRE STRIKES BACK, particularly, but watch him also in SLIPSTREAM; and he is the only thing in GUYVER worth watching (I felt he was doing a very sly parody of Don Johnson.) As far as his height, I doubt that's really a problem (though who says they'll really bring the Joker back? Hell, who says they'll be bringing Batman back? I bet a live-action SUPERMAN movie is more immediately likely, despite the Tim Burton defection.)
posted 07-08-2000 02:19 PM PT (US)

dantoris Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by H Rocco: I think him a thoroughly underrated performer. Agreed! He's one of the actors who (to me) never disappoints. He always delivers a good performance, regardless of the quality of the film he's in. I wish he could get more work. Or, rather, more mainstream work, seeing as how nowadays he's either in cartoons or low-budget Canadian sci-fi movies (Time Runner anyone?) Have you seen Midnight Ride? Hamill plays a sadistic hitchhiker who gets a lift from a friendly women, only to end up terrorizing her as she's forced to drive him to see his doctor (Robert Mitchum). She also happens to be the wife of a policeman (Michael Dudikoff, naturally), who's always one step behind. It's a really creepy, really moody road thriller, with Hamill at his maniacal best. Also features a cool scene in which Dudikoff steals a hot rod from a car carrier truck while it's moving, and another tense scene in which Hamill ties Dudikoff to the hood of a taxi and attempts to ram into into the back of a fuel tanker. The score's not bad, either (composer's name escapes me at the moment). It's kind of a mixture of Back to the Future and the New York City music in "Crocodile" Dundee. Nothing spectacular, but appropriate enough for the film. If you see it for rent, I suggest you check it. If for nothing else, then just to see Hamill rip loose and have one helluva time! [This message has been edited by dantoris (edited 08 July 2000).]
posted 07-08-2000 02:28 PM PT (US)

Swashbuckler Oscar® Winner	The film could be called Batman Whatever.
posted 07-08-2000 03:42 PM PT (US)

meegle Oscar® Winner	Anyone remember Mark Hamill as "THE TRICKSTER" on CBS's "THE FLASH"? SUPER EXCELLENT JOB!!!!
posted 07-08-2000 08:11 PM PT (US)

dantoris Oscar® Winner	YES!! And it's available on video (for rent, anyway). My local video store has The Flash (premiere episode) and The Flash: Revenge of the Trickster, so I know for sure they're at least available for rent.
posted 07-08-2000 08:36 PM PT (US)

H Rocco Oscar® Winner	One thing I like about Hamill: he's not a snob about what projects he'll do, no matter how tiny; he's a genuine fantasy fan, hence his appearances in such variously budgeted productions as SLIPSTREAM, GUYVER and THE FLASH (which I didn't see myself -- not one single episode, actually, I was in college without a TV) -- anyway, my father would look at some of the stuff Hamill was doing and his reaction was, "How far has this guy fallen?" I explained that Hamill does these projects specifically because he enjoys them -- and doesn't have to work another day in his life if he didn't want to, he's a millionaire many times over from his chunk of STAR WARS (and the action figures that bear his likeness.) I quite like it about him that he doesn't do stuff just for the money, unlike Harrison Ford. I used to be a big fan of Ford's -- I guess I still am -- but I find him monotonous now. Also, I'm irritated that he recently turned down a low-paying character-acting job BECAUSE it was low-paying ... although he'd seemed to be aboard for a minute or two. (Harry Knowles' website recently covered this indignantly and in some detail.) I wish Ford was willing to try and stretch a little, he'd make an EXCELLENT villain himself ... hey, it didn't hurt Jack Nicholson (bringing us back to BATMAN, Nicholson made 60 million dollars off his cut of the movie and the accompanying action figures.) NP: CONTRACT ON CHERRY STREET (Goldsmith) (as I've mentioned before, he did this film as a personal favor to its star, Frank Sinatra) (and as Rutherford mentioned to me, it's an amazingly close foreshadowing of CAPRICORN ONE) [This message has been edited by H Rocco (edited 08 July 2000).]
posted 07-08-2000 10:08 PM PT (US)

Shaun Rutherford Oscar® Winner	Good title, Swash! Shaun
posted 07-08-2000 10:34 PM PT (US)

dantoris Oscar® Winner	While I agree Ford would make an interesting villain, he himself said in an interview (which I have around here somewhere), that, "Being the villain doesn't interest me. To me, being the villain is just finding interesting ways of killing people, and that's something I'm not terribly interested in." (Paraphrasing, of course, because I haven't seen the interview in a while, but that's pretty much what he said). Though it does get you thinking about what kind of villain he would be.
posted 07-09-2000 12:06 AM PT (US)

H Rocco Oscar® Winner	I think he's just saying that as a cover. So many of the greatest roles have been, and always will be, villains. Tom Hanks never played a villain, but he said "If I were offered something like William H. Macy's role in FARGO, I'd grab it." Ford would be at least as impressive in such a role. And Bruce Willis generously observed that the first DIE HARD really belonged to Alan Rickman as much as to him, because Rickman is a phenomenal actor and the role was well-conceived. (Rickman himself said, "They picked me because I cost less than the others." I bet Jeremy Irons made at least ten times as much as Rickman did when he played Rickman's brother in the third picture ... I thought they'd have been wiser to cast Rickman again, but I bet he wouldn't have wanted to do it, he also turned down the Charles Dance villain in McTiernan's parody LAST ACTION HERO.) It's the writing, not the role, and Ford, much as I like him, doesn't seem to care much about the scripts, just about the way he's presented. It seems to me a kind of insecurity, which is most unbecoming in a multi-millionaire who owns more than one airplane. Look at Tom Cruise in INTERVIEW WITH THE VAMPIRE and MAGNOLIA: this is a guy who doesn't have much range, no more than Ford's, but is willing to at least TRY to stretch, and surprise people. Ford is locked into some kind of superstar megalomania that I do understand, but regret. I think there's more in there. I also miss the funny, offhanded, what-the-hell nature he projected in the earliest films. He didn't always seem to be Atlas with the weight of the world on his shoulders. Perhaps a fourth INDY might revitalize him. (I can hardly believe I'm RECOMMENDING a sequel, but a fourth INDY might actually be fun ... but they'd better get to it quick.)
posted 07-09-2000 12:18 AM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	I think the last good Harrison Ford movie I've seen was The Fugitive. He really needs a new Indy! NP: Jaws Expanded
posted 07-09-2000 06:25 AM PT (US)

Vladimir Oscar® Winner	music composed by Trevor Jones appears on the big screen as the Batman theme get loud and a darker theme not like Goldenthal's more like Elfmans.This may be the case a few yrs from now if there in fact is a new movie made? I would love to see Danny Elfman come back one more time but I doubt that will ever happen.But since hearing Trevor's music from Dark City he may be the guy the franchise is looking for to write a hell of a score for a new batman movie..........
posted 07-12-2000 04:37 PM PT (US)

AaronR1074 Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by dantoris: He always delivers a good performance, regardless of the quality of the film he's in. Come on dude. I loved Empire Strikes Back as much as the next man...but you have to admit that it was pretty bad when he was screaming "Nooooooooooooooooooo!" upon Vader's "I am your father." The expression on Hammil's face just looked bad. [This message has been edited by AaronR1074 (edited 12 July 2000).]
posted 07-12-2000 05:02 PM PT (US)

dantoris Oscar® Winner	Yeah. I think I'd have a horrified look on my face, too, if my dad told me he was Darth Vader. (Seriously, though, it wasn't Hamill's acting that deliver that appearance, is was that nearly-fatal car accident he had between films.)
posted 07-12-2000 05:18 PM PT (US)

meegle Oscar® Winner	Really? I hadn't heard about that Dantoris.
posted 07-12-2000 05:33 PM PT (US)

MWRuger Oscar® Winner	Yes, that was the reason they put in the sequence in the hospitol were the medical droid is telling him he will have a few scars. I have often mused that the accident that delayed shooting on the second picture helped feed George's paranoia about actors and encourged his desire to create totally digital characters that he could completely control.
posted 07-12-2000 05:43 PM PT (US)

meegle Oscar® Winner	Thats pretty interesting......I wonder what they'd have done had he been seriuosly hurt or worse?
posted 07-12-2000 05:46 PM PT (US)

dantoris Oscar® Winner	My mom always said she wonders what he would like today if he hadn't had that accident. My can't recall the exact details around the accident. I'd have to dig out the People magazine issue from my collection of Star Wars-related magazines. TRIVIA: Did you guys know he also did all his stunts in EBS (except the scene where he's sucked out the window, which was down by a gymnist), as well as 100% of stunts in RJ. He also said in an interview, "I have a sneaking suspicion that if there were a way to make movies without actors, George [Lucas] would do it."
posted 07-12-2000 06:09 PM PT (US)

Mark Olivarez Oscar® Winner	Please bring back Elfman if TPTB decide to do another BATMAN. In fact bring back Keaton and Burton as well. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!!!!
posted 07-12-2000 07:12 PM PT (US)

H Rocco Oscar® Winner	If there were a way Lucas could just engineer the whole movie through a computer controlled by himself, and only himself, then he would do THAT. Lucas is a notoriously poor and reluctant communicator. I am disturbed to think that this is really where the technology he's developing is heading, and that's what it's all really been about, from the start.
posted 07-12-2000 07:13 PM PT (US)

meegle Oscar® Winner	"He's more machine now than man."
posted 07-12-2000 07:45 PM PT (US)

Justin Oscar® Winner	The title should be something like "Shadows of the Bat". Now that would give the movie some kind of interesting aspect. [This message has been edited by Justin (edited 12 July 2000).]
posted 07-12-2000 08:39 PM PT (US)

MWRuger Oscar® Winner	I doubt if Elfman would do another batman as he seems to want to distance himself from the superhero genre. I'm pretty sure Burton won't do another one either and he is about the only way to get Elfman back. I really hope that they don't make this movie and just go with the live action year one TV series I heard rumors about. NP: City Lights by Charlie Chaplin
posted 07-12-2000 08:46 PM PT (US)

meegle Oscar® Winner	Ok I can handle Batman at the movies live-action but live on tv???? NO WAY!! Thats something they'd definitely screw up!!!!! If theres one Superhero that should be live-action on tv its Lee Falk's The PHANTOM!!!! Not Batman.
posted 07-12-2000 11:04 PM PT (US)

H Rocco Oscar® Winner	I thought they already did THE PHANTOM ... or this is a different one? NP: THE PHANTOM (David Newman) (just kidding, I don't even own that one)
posted 07-13-2000 02:15 AM PT (US)

meegle Oscar® Winner	Yeah Roco they did a PHANTOM movie but Im talking about a TV series based on him. Theres really great potential there!!!!
posted 07-13-2000 10:49 AM PT (US)

dantoris Oscar® Winner	Actually, there was a rather dreadful The Phamton: 2020 animated series around the time the movie came out (maybe a little before) that didn't last too long. It followed whichever descendant of The Phantom it was in the 21st century (can't remember the name). Score (Family Ties) Valentine did the voice of The Phantom, and Mark Hamill was one of the other characters. quote: Originally posted by H Rocco: NP: THE PHANTOM (David Newman) (just kidding, I don't even own that one) You sure are missing out on a great score. Some tracks are action-packed. Movie's not bad, too, despite what others would have you believe. Hell! I saw in twice in the theater and bought the DVD the day it came out.
posted 07-13-2000 11:05 AM PT (US)

meegle Oscar® Winner	Yeah Dantoris PHANTOM is a pretty fun movie. Its really right up there with THE SHADOW and THE ROCKETEER!!!!! NEWmans score is fantastic and is used in trailers like that insipid Starship Troopers teaser-trailer. GREAT STUFF!!!!!
posted 07-13-2000 11:08 AM PT (US)

dantoris Oscar® Winner	Good to see someone else stand up for The Shadow as well (you are, aren't you?) I was furious to find such a crappy DVD job on that film: no widescreen, no trailer, no goodies, and a lackluster transfer (though slightly better than video). Still I bought the DVD anyway, but I wonder what the chances are of Universal re-doing it now that DVD has really taken off. Personally, I'd much rather see a The Shadow sequel than a sequel to any other superhero movie. Until this movie came out, my favorite superhero movie was Batman, but this has become my favorite. Alec Baldwin was perfect in that role, Goldsmith music rocks (where's the complete score!?), and Penelope Ann Miller sure was nice to look at!
posted 07-13-2000 11:23 AM PT (US)

meegle Oscar® Winner	I guess we're in the minority Dantoris. I would say that John Lone was a big attraction in the movie to me. He's sooooooo underrated and gives a FANTASTIC performance in the SHADOW!!!!! Penelope Ann Miller? So so...... Ian McKellen? not bad.
posted 07-13-2000 02:59 PM PT (US)

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