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Originally posted by JJH:
ah, damn Gina!
whatcha gotta do to get to 12 ?

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Post two more messages, I think...

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Originally posted by PeterK:
OK, the question that will take this thread to 1,000 posts within two weeks:
WHAT DOES CREAM CHEESE NOT GO WITH, THAT ISN'T ALREADY DISGUSTING?

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Off the top of my head...
Hamburgers
Hash Browns
Fried Chicken
Spinach
Applesauce

I'll post more if I think of them.

NP: Hollow Man

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Originally posted by JJH:
well, now I see that my math skills are detiorating!
well, will this get us to 12?

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No more than mine, but you wound up with post three on page twelve. How about that.

Mr Dunham, are you calling hamburgers, hash browns, and fried chicken disgusting?!?!

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Originally posted by JJH:
wait a tick...
Mr Dunham, are you calling hamburgers, hash browns, and fried chicken disgusting?!?!
I can't post here anymore...I'm too shaken...feeling... woozy...must...find...uuughghh......[thud]

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Originally posted by joan hue:
His phone, DSL, web access, etc. were destroyed in his building by some Godzilla cloned driver.

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Ah, I bet Rocco was behind that Godzilla thing!

(parentheses?)

If your favorite composer was a fry, what kind of fry would he/she be?

What would be disgusting with cream cheese that isn't disgusting on its own?

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It would be impossible to put cream cheese on him anyway.

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Mark, that simply is not true!
I saw a Godzilla movie where they dumped an entire helicopter full of cream cheese right on Godzilla's head! Poor guy couldn't blow fire for about thirty seconds or so, until he swallowed some of the stuff.
What was the title of that one, Rocco?

NP: Gladiator

"DUUUUUUUUUDES! What an AWWWWESOME concert man! BURP! Yanni RUUUUULES!"

Any Indian Curry Dish
Marinated Greek Olives
Taboulie
Clams Casino
Split Pea Soup
Steamed Shrimp
BBQ Baby Back Ribs
Any Chinese Stir-Fry Dish
Sauerkraut & Pork
Broiled Lobster Tail
PA Dutch Chicken Pot Pie
Southern Fried Chicken
A Vanilla Malted Shake
Chicken McNuggets
A Root Beer Float
Hot Fudge Sundae
Sauteed Scallops
Caprisi
Mandarin Orange Jello
Any Grilled Steak or Prime Rib

I never referred to him as Godzilla, I was just quoting Marian! (The whole Godzilla/Gojira thing was handled most idiotically in one brief scene in the 1998 Tri-Star abomination.) Even *I* have never been able to establish for certain WHO created the name. It's not an obvious translation from the Japanese phonetics, not in the least. I'm sure it was made up at the American end, but we'll probably never know who did it -- even the Japanese don't seem to know. When Warners bought the second Godzilla movie, they called it GIGANTIS THE FIRE MONSTER because they assumed Joseph E. Levine, who released the first one, owned the word Godzilla. Whatever the event, Toho has assumed control of the word now (in fact they've sued people just for using the suffix "zilla," e.g. K-Mart for creating a vast garbage bag entitled the "Bagzilla" -- the studio lost that one, but they are inordinately fond of nuisance suits.)

I see my fellow Ifukube fan Mr. Olivarez has not answered the question about which movie had them dumping cream cheese on Godzilla. It's a controversial, in Japan, moment from THE UNUSUAL EXTRATERRESTRIAL BEGORRA! THEY CAME FROM SOMEWHERE BEYOND OUTER SPACE IN ORDER TO DO UNNATURAL THINGS TO JAPAN AND ITS PEOPLE (it was retitled simply GODZILLA VS. BOGORA in the United States because the Japanese didn't know about the Irish exclamation "Begorrah!" It caused no small hilarity at the original distributor screenings -- "Begorrah, you can't destroy the world, didn't you know it is full of life!" -- the whole thing had to be redubbed. Lead actor Hidetsurumaro Takayanagi was redubbed by the young Martin Milner, by the way.)

By this time, the Japanese knew they were making these movies as much for the American market as for their own, and so were trying to include material that could be seen both as satirical of the West, and which would appeal to that market at the same time -- KING KONG VS. GODZILLA is the first and best example of this, in the Godzilla series (although the final version bears only a halfway resemblance to the original).

However (sorry Chris), you got one vital detail about the cream cheese dumping on Godzilla ALL WRONG. It wasn't from a helicopter at all. I'll explain:

One of the subplots of BOGORA (which I'll just call it for the sake of brevity) involves an unscrupulous multimillionaire executive and importer of Western foods; he owns a "vast outlet for the production of dairy," as the dialogue puts it, as well. Right now his fortune is tottering because he's been trying to foist cheese of all types on the Japanese market (which at that time was not fond of the stuff, cheese didn't even exist in Japan until the early 20th century.) In trying to emphasize the "modern, Western" aspects of eating cheese, he has squandered millions on a failed ad campaign, and needs a new gimmick.

He is also what the Japanese call a "getemono-gui" -- a lover of bizarre gourmet foods. In his introduction scene, we see him morosely turning away from his plate such oddities as squid-eye soup, fermented trout entrails, and so on. Then he catches sight of a picture of Godzilla in the newspaper, and realizes that to hunt down, kill and eat Godzilla would be the most singular culinary triumph imaginable. Moreover, he could sell Godzilla by the pound at outrageous prices, since there's only one Godzilla (and a lot of him!) This will rescue the businessman from bankruptcy. Thus, next to his dairy factory, the guy begins to build "the biggest freezer in the known world" in order to store Godzilla's flesh once he's caught.

To make a long story short (a lot of other things happen), Godzilla is lured to the area in which the executive and the military hope to kill Godzilla. The Bogorans have been appearing only intermittently up to this point (we're only about half an hour into the picture by now), but then one of their saucers swoops by to interfere with the trap! Godzilla blows up the saucer and it crashes into the dairy factory -- and THAT'S how Godzilla gets a whole explosion of cream cheese in his face! Ironically, this might have served to capture him, since his breath weapon is temporarily disabled, but so is the whole trap, now that the saucer came along and spoiled everything. What are they up to? Watch the movie and find out! (I thought they made a big mistake waiting until the last twenty minutes to unleash the monster Bogora/Begorra, but in general, it's more character-driven than some other pictures in the same genre.

My favorite dialogue exchange was when the scientist is explaining the derivation of the Bogora aliens: he picks up a piece of debris left over from the saucer Godzilla destroyed:

Scientist: "Huh, this metal, it can only be Bogora! I have never seen it before -- there has never been anything like it on Earth!"

Soldier Hero: "Bogora? What's that, I've never heard of it."

Scientist: "Yes, no one ever has, until now. it can be the only place they came from. This metal proves it. It is a piece of metal that I found over there."

Soldier Hero: "Over there?"

Scientist: "I found this piece of metal over there. It came from space."

Reporter Heroine: "How could the Bogorans have traveled so many hundreds of miles from the place they came from?"

Scientist: "Silly girl, they came from space! It was a distance of several thousands of miles! So that is proof that there is no limit to what they might choose to do. Can't you see it? They will send monsters soon. Just look at this piece of metal."

Soldier Hero: "Monsters? That sounds bad."

Scientist: "Because they are from space, they can only be evil and dangerous. Here, look at this piece of metal."

Secretly Alien Policeman: "Perhaps they deserve to succeed, if they had all the power to come such a great distance. Even the United Nations might not have the power to stop them."

Reporter Heroine: "It's horrible! Oh, Professor, what do you think the Bogorans will do?"

Scientist: "I can't say for sure. The Bogorans are mysterious -- so mysterious that we do not even know what they are called."

Unscrupulous Executive: "Well, I can see they have ruined my dinner AND my factory! I won't forgive it! I will eat Godzilla if it is the last thing I conceive to do!"

Later the executive decides that the only thing that will save him financially is to aid the Bogorans in the destruction of Earth, which will automatically wipe out all his debts. They betray him, however, and in one of those neat little coincidences that are typical of the genre, Godzilla catches the private jet in which he's trying to escape, breaks it in half, and shovels the screaming little man into his mouth. (Reporter Heroine says, "This resembles an irony, since it was Godzilla that he himself desired to eat!" Scientist: "Yes, it is a lesson of great will.")

Cool stuff!

NP: THE UNUSUAL EXTRATERRESTRIAL BEGORRA! THEY CAME FROM SOMEWHERE BEYOND OUTER SPACE IN ORDER TO DO UNNATURAL THINGS TO JAPAN AND ITS PEOPLE

P.S. how could I forget! The actor who played the unscrupulous executive -- this was kind of "joke" or "stunt" casting, since the same guy played practically the same character in the studio's gritty BLACK MARKET IMPORTER series, about the grim world of underground Japanese food importing (don't laugh -- most Japanese food IS imported, if they were cut off from their imports, the nation would starve to death in a matter of months. I think they don't even have enough room in the country to produce all the rice they need.) Anyway, the only two movies in that series I saw were UNLAWFUL BLACK MARKET CITRUS FROM SOMEPLACE ELSE and BLACK MARKET SALAMI: THIS MEAT IS DANGEROUS! Can't remember em too well.

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NP: THE UNUSUAL EXTRATERRESTRIAL BEGORRA! THEY CAME FROM SOMEWHERE BEYOND OUTER SPACE IN ORDER TO DO UNNATURAL THINGS TO JAPAN AND ITS PEOPLE

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You have some imagination, Rocco. I think I shall find an e-mail address for Toho and recommend that they let you write their next 'Zilla film.

NP: Alexander Nevsky

A. incorrigible, or
B. totally lacking tastebuds.

BORIS DOES NOT GO WELL WITH CREAM CHEESE...

Wuzzz Boris disgustin' afore thar creem cheaze waz addid?

Have the damn cream cheese where ever and when ever you like.

Have as much of it as you like, any time that you like.

I'm weary of trying to educate you fast food hillbillies in the finer areas of cuisine.

Stuff your pie holes with as much cream cheese as it takes to fill them.

CREAM CHEESE GOES WITH EVERYTHING!

I've had enough of the burger & fries mentality at this dive.

And yet I love this place.

So...my new mantra shall always be: