[Message edited by DjC on 10-03-2000]

NP: Crickets in various corners of the room

Gore needs to lie about his past since he is a criminal and a lier, Bush Needs to tear Gore " A THIRD CORNSHOOT!"

Gore has some practicing to do before the next debates. Perhaps a little less condescension?

If this man wins the White House for the next four years, I shall not view a news broadcast during that entire time. I've seen quite enough of this horrendous behavior among men in the Church...I cannot stomach it in the White House.

But honestly, all these politics confuse me so ... "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's ..." I make a bigger difference in my church, school and family in one day than I ever will in a ballot booth for the rest of my life, and THAT'S God's honest truth!

That's the way it is.

Both are wrong.
I don't care about the sex.
I DO care about our government spending a year dealing with the mess because the President didn't have the integrity to simply tell the truth. I believe our nation is filled with very forgiving people who would have been well ready to forgive the man from the beginning if he had simply told the truth. Again and again and again he lied to his family, his closest associates, he lied under oath, and finally, to you and to me. And because of it, the entire nation was caught up in the mess for a whole year.
To my knowledge, Thomas Jefferson didn't do any of that.

Bonus question: What did the convicted Maria Hsia and the convicted John Huang have in common?

Wedge is right: Politics are the adrenaline to the thread!

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Observer, my memory is probably shoddier than yours, especially as it pertains to the lurid details of our current President's extramarital life. All that I can recall is that Paula Jones brought a lawsuit against Clinton charging sexual harrassment, and that led to the discovery of his affair with Monica Lewinsky. Clinton sent his dirty dog "Ragin' Cajun" Carville out to sit on all of the TV news talk shows and destroy Paula Jones' credibility, but it didn't work, and she was ultimately awarded $750,000.00. By that time the Lewinsky thing was about to hit the news, and Clinton sent one of his personal attornies out to call Linda Tripp a liar. Linda read that in print and decided to provide a little proof in order to clear her name. She secretly taped many hours of Monica talking "All About Bill", and sent the tapes to the authorities...howz that?

NP: Die Hard 2 (Michael Kamen)

> Vice President Al Gore is using all his influence with President
> > Clinton to persuade him to tap into the nation's emergency oil
> > stockpile.
> >
> > He argues that this is the right thing to do to combat
> > decade-high oil prices.
> >
> > "Today, there are families ... all across the country who are
> > wondering how they are going to be able to pay for heat this
> > winter," Gore said. "We have to change that."
> >
> > Gore wants to put on the market some of the nearly 600 million
> > barrels of crude oil known as the Strategic Petroleum Reserve.
> >
> > To truly understand how corrupt Gore's pandering on this issue
> > is, you need a little history.
> >
> > In 1922, Edward L. Doheny and Harry Sinclair bribed Albert Fall,
> > the secretary of the interior in the Warren G. Harding
> > administration, for secret leases to drill on two oil-rich fields
> > held by the U.S. Navy as emergency reserves in the event of war
> > or serious disruption of supplies. One of those fields was called
> > Elk Hills in Bakersfield, Calif. The other, just outside of Caspar,
> > Wyo., was called Teapot Dome.
> >
> > Sound familiar? Of course. When the bribes were discovered, the
> > ensuing Teapot Dome scandal forced the resignations of Fall,
> > who later went to prison, and Edward Denby, the secretary of
> > the Navy.
> >
> > In 1973, during the gasoline crisis, President Richard Nixon tried
> > to lease Elk Hills to increase domestic oil production. Congress
> > stopped the deal.
> >
> > In 1984, 1986 and 1987, the Reagan administration proposed
> > selling Elk Hills for $1.5 billion to reduce the deficit. Congress,
> > again, blocked the efforts.
> >
> > Now, hold onto your hats. In 1996, as part of Gore's "reinventing
> > government" package, he recommended that Elk Hills be sold.
> > Clinton approved the plan. The deal was included in the 1996
> > defense authorization bill that Congress approved.
> >
> > Guess who wound up buying Elk Hills for $3.65 billion. You
> > guessed it. Occidental Petroleum, which tripled its U.S. oil and
> > natural gas reserves in the process.
> >
> > Who is Occidental? This is a company that has provided major
> > campaign funds for Gore and the Democratic Party. But it is
> > much more than that.
> >
> > The founder of Occidental is Armand Hammer who had, in his
> > own words, Albert Gore Sr., "in his back pocket." When the
> > current vice president's father left the U.S. Senate in 1970,
> > Hammer, a primary sponsor of the Communist party USA and a
> > personal friend of V.I. Lenin and Josef Stalin, provided him with
> > a $500,000-a-year job and a seat on Occidental's board. But
> > Gore had been on Hammer's payroll throughout most of his
> > political career.
> >
> > When the younger Gore was elected to Congress, the
> > sweetheart deals with Hammer and Occidental continued. Gore
> > receives $20,000 a year from Occidental as payoff for mineral
> > rights on his farm. The zinc mine on his land, by the way, makes
> > him one of the biggest polluters in the state.
> >
> > According to the Center for Public Integrity, Occidental gave
> > $50,000 to the Clinton-Gore re-election effort in response to
> > one of Gore's "no-controlling-legal-authority" phone calls from
> > his office in the White House. Occidental has given more than
> > $470,000 in soft money to various Democratic committees and
> > causes since 1992.
> >
> > Conflict of interest? I think that term would be the
> > understatement of the century with regard to Gore's political
> > posturing about greed and avarice on the part of oil companies.
> > He owes his political patronage to an oil company with one of
> > the shadiest histories -- one that built its fortune on bribery,
> > including the bribery of Gore and his father before him.
> >
> > There's even more to this story than I can relate here. I've
> > recounted some of the details in previous columns. (See links
> > below.) Another excellent summary is provided by the Center for
> > Public Integrity.
> >
> > I didn't think it was possible America could ever elect a
> > president more corrupt, more tainted, more compromised and
> > more self-serving than Bill Clinton. Yet, judging from the polls, it
> > is still entirely possible that could happen in November. That's
> > right, I'm beginning to think that Al Gore is even more of a
> > walking scandal, more of a double-dealing hypocrite and more of
> > a danger to the future of America than his predecessor.
> >
> > Gore camouflages his thievery and personal privilege better than
> > any politician I have ever seen. And I had thought I'd seen the
> > once-in-a-lifetime master in Clinton.
> >
> > Now, Gore, once again, has a compassionate plan to help you
> > and me by selling off the nation's strategic oil reserves.
> > Personally, I have no problem with the federal government
> > getting out of the oil business altogether. But I sure don't want
> > to see Gore and his sponsors benefiting from the deal. If history
> > is any indicator, you can rest assured there's a payoff here.
>
I would be interested to know what you think of this.

Marian...let's talk about lies...
There are lies, and then there are lies. Every single one of them has a price tag attached to it. Some of those price tags are larger than others.
Let's take, for instance, the lie of an ordinary man who has cheated on his wife. He lies to her about it to protect his own hide. That is the second lie; the first lie occurred when he did the cheating. When the truth is discovered (as it usually is), she realizes that she has been betrayed. Both of them pay a price for these lies. It is possible that this couple will stay together, but trust has been broken, and it takes many years for that break to mend.
Now let's take that same ordinary man and put him in the position of the CEO of a corporation. The cheating took place with another employee in his office during working hours. He hasn't just lied to his wife, now he has lied to all of his fellow managers and employees. When the truth is discovered (as it usually is), this man has a larger price to pay than his marriage. He is also likely to lose his job.
Once again we take this same man, only now he is the President of the United States. You know the scenario already, only now he has taken that lie into a Federal court room to illegally stop a lawsuit against him. When the truth is discovered (as it usually is), he not only has lied to everyone surrounding him, PLUS lying to his entire nation and the world at large, he has also committed perjury which is a felony in the USA. A sitting President guilty of a felonious activity instantly sets into motion another legally binding activity; that of the House of Representatives. There is no way to stop this Constitutional machine when you set it into motion. It is an awful process that ties up the US Government for months and months, costing millions of taxpayer dollars to resolve. Now every taxpayer in the entire country has paid the price for this "little lie".
A President, or anyone in public office with even a shred of personal integrity would choose to resign rather than force the nation he serves to go through such a costly ordeal. That's what Richard Nixon did. So did Bob Packwood. So did Newt Gingrich. However, William Clinton forced all of us to wade through that cesspool with him for a year. Why? Why does any "ordinary man" lie about cheating on his wife? To save his own hide.
Does that help to explain anything for you?

NP: Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (Churchill/Harline/Morey/Smith)

That would depend upon the man, and how familiar he happens to be with the truth.

You said it, I agree 100%. About the death penalty that is.

Well... I'm off on vacation now! See you all in four days. (Hey, run a couple more pages in this thread while I'm gone, will you? I'll be able to do a whole page of replies. )

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