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Topic: ? for PETER K.
Kross
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I thought I would break this chain of, well, I dunno what to call it and say...AHHHHHHHH! MY ARM PITS ARE ON FIRE!!!!!!!
Thank you and God bless.
+ Kross +
posted 02-01-2001 03:48 PM PT (US) Observer
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quote:
Originally posted by Marian Schedenig:
Be sure to take your surfboard with you, then.I can't surf! And Charlie can't either!
posted 02-01-2001 04:01 PM PT (US) PeterK
FishChip
Make it good, guys, make it good. It appears the thread will stop after it reaches 2000. A matter of technical decisions, really.Start your farewells to the longest thread ever, beginning now.
posted 02-01-2001 05:20 PM PT (US) Chris Kinsinger
Member
Awwwww. No more "Official Off-Topic Thread".May I start a new one?
posted 02-01-2001 06:01 PM PT (US) Kross
Member
Congrats to the peoplewho kept this topic going! When I arrived here at mm.com, I was amazed that a single topic could last so long, so congrats to the founders of ? for Peter K and those who kept it going(since I am in no way going to go back and read through it all lol)Once again, let me reach out to the children in Zaire, damn, I can't reach far enough! Welp, guess that is all I can do for the poor children, I only have a few foot reach anyways and they are thousands of miles away. Too bad . Goodbye ? for Peter K
posted 02-01-2001 06:16 PM PT (US) Marian Schedenig
Member
Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.Time for "Another ? for PeterK"?
posted 02-01-2001 06:21 PM PT (US) Mark Olivarez
Member
Sniff, Sniff.... a sudden sense of sadness has set in.Waaaaaahaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!
posted 02-01-2001 06:32 PM PT (US) PeterK
FishChip
Yeah, we can start again. It's good to start fresh every once in a while. Heck, dantoris.. err, dex... was still around when this thread started.Say yer goodbyes.
posted 02-01-2001 06:35 PM PT (US) Observer
Member
Only up to 2000 Herr FishChip?Every one! All together now:
WEEEEEEAAAAAK!!!!![Message edited by Observer on 02-01-2001]
posted 02-01-2001 06:36 PM PT (US) JJH
Member
Of all the threads I have known, this...was the most...human...
As we embark a new a thread, let us not ask what the thread can do for you, but what you can do for this thread.
"The lesson of all this was, of course, that because we're a great nation, our challenges seem complex. It will always be this way. But as long as we remember our first principles and believe in ourselves, the future will always be ours. And something else we learned: Once you begin a great movement, there's no telling where it will end. We meant to change a nation, and instead, we changed a world."
posted 02-01-2001 07:24 PM PT (US) Observer
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SMALL BOY: Unca PeterK, where do old threads go when they die?UNCA PETERK: Packed up in the archives, never to be seen from again.
SMALL BOY: But what if I really, really like that topic, like the "? for Unca PeterK?"
PETERK: Well, little Timmy...
SMALL BOY: My name's not Timmy.
PETERK: Right. Bobby...
SMALL BOY: No.
PETERK: Billy?
SMALL BOY: No!
PETERK: Any way Billy, they say when a new topic is started with the same spirit as the old one, and angel gets it's wings!
SMALL BOY: Really?
PETERK: No, but have some fish chips Billy.
[Message edited by Observer on 02-01-2001]
posted 02-01-2001 07:41 PM PT (US) Chris Kinsinger
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Four score and seven websites ago, our forerunners brought upon this message board a new thread. Dedicated to liberty, and to the proposition that all off-topic posts are created equal. To be, or not to be. That is the question. Whether 'tis nobler to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous administrator deletions, or to find sanctuary; indeed, safe harbor here...here in this most hallowed message board ground. Here, where we, band of brothers totally unfettered, freely buffooned to our little heart's content. This is truly hallowed ground.
Now I want you to remember that no poster ever won a flame war by dying for his topic! He won it by making the other poor, dumb poster die for HIS topic!
Top 40 fans are the enemy! Wade into them! Spill THEIR blood! Shoot THEM the belly! When you put your hand into a bunch of GOO that a moment before was your best friend's FACE...you'll know what to do.I will be proud to lead you wonderful folks into off-topic threads anytime...anywhere.
That is all.
posted 02-01-2001 08:32 PM PT (US) jonathan_little
Member
Man... I'm going to miss dex.Did I mention that I love the JC Penney catalog.
Bye bye dex! BYE BYE!
BUH BYE.
NP: Explorers
[Waits for the UBB to search for the end of 2000 posts.... waits.... waits.... waits.... "Efficiency? Whut is dat?"]
posted 02-01-2001 08:42 PM PT (US) Chris Kinsinger
Member
BUH BYE, jonathan little...BUH BYE...
BUH BYE...
BUH BYE...
BUH BYE...
posted 02-01-2001 08:52 PM PT (US) James
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I posted this Carroll poem once before, but it seems appropriate to post this excerpt again.And art thou gone, beloved Ghost?
Best of Familiars!
Nay, then, farewell, my duckling roast,
Farewell, farewell, my tea and toast,
My meerschaum and cigars!The hues of life are dull and gray,
The sweets of life insipid,
When thou, my charmer, art away--
Old Brick, or rather, let me say,
Old Parallelepiped!
And now, for a more sentimental ending from Sylvie and Bruno (also by Carroll). This may be overdoing it by applying it to this thread, but anything goes here, right?....
"Come, it is nearly morning!" Arthur said at last, rising and leading the way upstairs."The sun will be rising in a few minutes: and, though I have basely defrauded you of your last chance of a night’s rest here, I’m sure you’ll forgive me: for I really couldn’t bring myself to say 'Good night' sooner. And God knows whether you’ll ever see me again, or hear of me!"
"Hear of you I am certain I shall!" I warmly responded, and quoted the concluding lines of that strange poem 'Waring' :--
"Oh, never star
Was lost here, but it rose afar
Look East, where whole new thousands are!
In Vishnu-land what Avatar?""Aye, look Eastward!" Arthur eagerly replied, pausing at the stair-case window, which commanded a fine view of the sea and the eastward horizon. "The West is the fitting tomb for all the sorrow and the sighing, all the errors and the follies of the Past: for all its withered Hopes and all its buried Loves! From the East comes new strength, new ambition, new Hope, new Life, new Love! Look Eastward! Aye, look Eastward!"
His last words were still ringing in my ears as I entered my room, and undrew the window-curtains, just in time to see the sun burst in glory from his ocean-prison, and clothe the world in the light of a new day."So may it be for him, and me, and all of us!" I mused. "All that is evil, and dead, and hopeless, fading with the Night that is past! All that is good, and living, and hopeful, rising with the dawn of Day!
"Fading, with the Night, the chilly mists, and the noxious vapours, and the heavy shadows, and the wailing gusts, and the owl’s melancholy hootings: rising, with the Day, the darting shafts of light, and the wholesome morning breeze, and the warmth of a dawning life, and the mad music of the lark! Look Eastward!
"Fading, with the Night, the clouds of ignorance, and the deadly blight of sin, and the silent tears of sorrow: and ever rising, higher, higher, with the Day, the radiant dawn of knowledge, and the sweet breath of purity, and the throb of a world’s ecstasy! Look Eastward!
"Fading, with the Night, the memory of a dead love, and the withered leaves of a blighted hope, and the sickly repinings and moody regrets that numb the best energies of the soul: and rising, broadening, rolling upward like a living flood, the manly resolve, and the dauntless will, and the heavenward gaze of faith--the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen!
"Look Eastward! Aye, look Eastward!"
posted 02-01-2001 09:07 PM PT (US) PeterK
FishChip
Jonathan, for you, I present DEX:posted 02-01-2001 09:15 PM PT (US) Mark Hatfield
Member
Oh, yeah! "Dex"!Who could ever forget HIM?
Looo - hoooo - zuh - her.
posted 02-01-2001 10:27 PM PT (US) Jeron
Member
Uh..... cool!
posted 02-01-2001 11:19 PM PT (US) Jeron
Member
...yeah. That too.[Message edited by Jeron on 02-01-2001]
posted 02-01-2001 11:35 PM PT (US) Wedge
Member
So the thread is really ending, huh? This calls for some obscure Mancini tunes! I'll start us off ...Goodbye so soon
And isn't it a shame?
We know by now that time knows how to fly
So here's goodbye so soon
We'll go our separate ways
With time so short I'll say so long
And go
So soon
GoodbyeYou followed me, I followed you
We were like each other's shadows for a while
Now as you see, this game is through
So although it hurts, I'll try to smile
As I sayGoodbye so soon
And isn't it a shame?
We know by now that time knows how to fly
So here's goodbye so soon
We'll go our separate ways
With time so short I'll say so long
And go
So soon
Goodbye!posted 02-02-2001 06:05 AM PT (US) DANIEL2
Member
The Sun Never Sets on the British Empire….BRITONS WITH BALLS – part XVII
Michael Faraday
Born 1791 Surrey, England
Died 1867English physicist and chemist who made major advances in the study of magnetism, electricity, and the chemical effect of a current, and is regarded as the greatest scientist of the 19th century. He started his working life as a bookbinder, but in 1813 became laboratory assistant to Humphry Davy at the Royal Institution, where he eventually became director. Working as an analytical chemist, he discovered benzene in 1825 and prepared the first known compounds of carbon and chlorine. He also investigated the composition of alloy steels and optical glasses.
But his greatest achievements were in electromagnetism. In 1821 he constructed a simple form of electric motor. In 1831 he published his laws of electromagnetic induction and put them to practical use in the dynamo and the transformer, two Faraday inventions that are fundamental to large-scale electricity generation and supply. His laws of electrolysis, published in 1834 and named after him, described the changes caused by electric current passing through liquids. Other discoveries included diamagnetism (a weak magnetic effect present in all materials), and the rotation of light waves by strong magnetic fields.
”The World little knows how many thoughts and theories which have passed through the mind of a scientific investigator and have been crushed in silence and secrecy of his own criticism.”
”The important thing is to know how to take all things quietly.”
posted 02-02-2001 07:02 AM PT (US) DANIEL2
Member
WedgeYou said – ”… Anyone ELSE slips up, you use it as an excuse to invalidate their arguments….”
As far as I am concerned, Marian Schedenig doesn’t have an argument to invalidate….unlike yourself, whose philosophies I take great delight in invalidating.
The fact is Wedge, both you and Marian Schedenig are wrong to pick me up anyway.
The Oxford English Dictionary definition of a ‘tidal wave’ is – a great wave caused by the tide, an earthquake or a landslide.
WATCH OUT USA!
When 500 billion tonnes of rock plunge into the sea off the west coast of Africa, people in the US had better head for the hills.
ANY day now, a gargantuan wave could sweep westwards across the Atlantic towards the coast of North America. A mighty wall of water 50 metres high would hit the Caribbean islands, Florida and the rest of the eastern seaboard, surging up to 20 kilometres inland and engulfing everything in its path. If you thought the tsunamis that periodically terrorise the Pacific Ocean were big, consider this: the Atlantic wave will be five times bigger. It will start its journey 6000 kilometres away, when half an island crashes into the sea.
Huge landslides and the mega-tsunami that they cause are extremely rare; The last one occurred about 4,000 years ago on the island of Réunion in the Indian Ocean. The growing concern amongst British scientists is that the ideal conditions for just such a landslide and consequent mega-tsunami - now exist on the island of La Palma in the Canaries.
In 1949 the southern volcano on the island of La Palma erupted. During the eruption an enormous crack appeared across one side of the volcano, as the western half slipped a few metres towards the Atlantic before stopping in its tracks.
Although the volcano presents no danger while it is quiescent, scientists believe the western flank will give way completely during some future eruption on the summit of the volcano.
At some time in the next few thousand years a huge section of La Palma, weighing 500 thousand million tonnes, will fall into the Atlantic Ocean to generate a mega-tsunami. The mega-Tsunami will surge across the Atlantic travelling at a speed of a jet aircraft.
The Mega Tsunami would engulf the whole US east coast, sweeping away everything in its path up to 12 miles (20km) inland. Boston would be hit first, followed by New York, then all the way down the coast to Miami and the Caribbean.
English scientist Simon Day of the Benfield Greig Hazard Research Centre at University College London has discovered that a huge chunk of La Palma, the most volcanically active island in the Canaries, is now unstable. "If the flank of the volcano slides into the ocean, the mass of moving rock will push the water in front of it, creating a tsunami wave far larger than any seen in history," says Day. "The wave would then spread out across the Atlantic at the speed of a jet airliner until it strikes coastal areas all around the North Atlantic."
The idea that collapsing islands can cause giant tsunamis dates back to the 1960s when Jim Moore, a geologist with the US Geological Survey in Menlo Park, California, was studying early bathymetric maps of the sea floor around the Hawaiian islands. He spotted what he thought were huge chunks of volcanic rock strewn across the seabed up to 140 kilometres from the nearest islands. Moore believed these were the debris from titanic landslides.
It was not until the early 1990s that Moore's suggestion began to be taken seriously. By then, higher-resolution maps of the sea floor showed evidence for dozens of landslides in the Hawaiian islands. And sea-floor surveys near Réunion in the Indian Ocean, the Marquesas in the western Pacific, Tristan da Cunha in the South Atlantic and El Hierro in the North Atlantic showed that collapses of oceanic volcanoes into the sea occur worldwide.
Moore also suggested that the Hawaiian landslides generated giant waves. He attributed marine deposits in the Hawaiian islands that lie up to 375 metres above sea level to the action of tsunamis, though this is still highly controversial (New Scientist supplement, 7 August 1999, p 4). But most scientists now agree that island collapses around the world would inevitably have caused gigantic tsunamis. For instance, giant wave deposits found in the Bahamas coincide with a past collapse in the Canaries (see "Island catastrophe").
Day began his work on the Canary Islands in 1994, at the invitation of Spanish geologist Juan Carlos Carracedo from the Volcanological Station of the Canary Islands in Tenerife. Carracedo had already found evidence for at least one collapse on the neighbouring island of La Palma, which had apparently come from the extinct Taburiente volcano in the north of the island. He wanted to know if there was any risk of a future collapse of the Cumbre Vieja, the active volcano that forms the southern half of La Palma.
The best way to predict the volcano's future, Day believed, was by studying its past. Over the next two years, he carefully surveyed the summit area of the Cumbre Vieja, identifying dozens of volcanic vents that had been formed by successive eruptions over the past hundred thousand years. From several of these vents, Day collected samples of lava and charcoal from trees burnt by the molten rock. His colleague, Herve Guillou of the Laboratory of Climatic and Environmental Sciences in Gif-sur-Yvette in France, then used potassium-argon or carbon dating to find out when the vents formed.
By 1997, Day and Carracedo had enough data to assemble a detailed geological map of the Cumbre Vieja. They found that most of the vents were organised in three rift zones, laid out in a three-pointed "Mercedes star" configuration, facing south, north-east and north-west. The north-east and north-west rift zones have become inactive in the past few thousand years, but the remaining southern rift zone has extended northwards, gradually bisecting the volcano.
In a paper published late last year, Day and his colleagues suggested that this structure could lead to a mighty landslide. Day believes that the western flank of the volcano is becoming gradually detached from the eastern half. What's more, he thinks the western flank is subtly altering in shape, making it easier for magma to break through to the surface. During the three most recent summit eruptions in 1585, 1712 and 1949, vents opened up on the western flank of the volcano, while none appeared on the eastern flank.
Day has other evidence to support his theory. During the 1949 eruption, the island was racked by two large earthquakes. A day later, Spanish seismologist Juan Bonelli Rubio discovered a crack on the summit of the Cumbre Vieja. It could not be a new volcanic vent, as no lava or steam was coming from the fissure. Bonelli Rubio suggested that it was the fault responsible for the earthquakes.
During 1995, while mapping the summit region, Day noticed something unexpected about the 1949 fault: rather than opening up horizontally the way vent fissures do when magma rises to the surface, the land surface on the western side had slipped down 4 metres relative to the eastern side. "It is the first time we've seen a fault like this on the volcano," says Day. For him, the appearance of the fault in 1949 proved that the whole of the western flank of the Cumbre Vieja is poised to collapse into the Atlantic Ocean.
It's hard to imagine what would happen if half a trillion tonnes of rock slid into the sea. But Hermann Fritz, a PhD student at the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich, has spent several years modelling how landslides generate waves when they fall into water. Earlier this year, he constructed a lab model of the western flank of the Cumbre Vieja in a wave tank. The model is an elongated wedge-shaped block resting on a 10-degree slope with the tip of the block lying just under the water. When the block is released, it slides down the slope generating a wave, which is recorded by a high-speed camera.
Fritz found that the sliding block generated a long, shallow, fast-moving wave--the classic profile of a tsunami. Scaling up 10,000 times, the model predicts that in real life the crest of the wave generated by the collapse of the western flank of the Cumbre Vieja would initially be a staggering 650 metres above normal sea level, more than enough to submerge the tallest building in the world. Fritz admits that there is a big size difference between his model and the real tsunami, but he has no doubt that the dimensions of the wave are in the right ballpark.
Where would the wave go? Because the unstable flank of the Cumbre Vieja faces west, if it collapsed the resulting tsunami would race across the Atlantic towards North America. It wouldn't be half a kilometre high when it arrived, though. Waves that radiate out from a single point, like ripples on a pond, decrease in height as they travel. But it would still be a monster. If the La Palma collapse produced a single tsunami, it would be 40 to 50 metres high when it reached the American coast. "That mass of water moving at that speed would remove buildings, trees, roads, everything," says Day.
Given the evidence that the Cumbre Vieja is poised to collapse and the catastrophic consequences of such an event, Day had to find out when the volcano might let go. First, he wanted to know if the fault that appeared in 1949 is still moving. Over the past few years, Jane Moss, a student at the College of Higher Education in Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, has used the satellite-based Global Positioning System (GPS) to monitor the positions of 20 markers around the volcano on both sides of the fault. Late last year, she concluded that the fault has completely stopped moving--at least for now.
If nothing is pushing the fault today, why did it form in the first place? Day believes that water trapped in the volcano is the key. On the face of it, water is not an obvious factor: the volcanic rock of La Palma is so permeable that when rain falls it quickly soaks through, leaving the surface as dry as a bone. But inside the volcano, impermeable dykes--columns of magma that fed previous eruptions--cut through the permeable volcanic rubble. These dykes act like a series of dams, trapping rainwater.
Day realised that when magma rises towards the surface through wet rock, the water in the pore spaces within the rock is heated and expands. Because liquid water is incompressible, small increases in water temperature can significantly increase the water pressure in a confined space. Working with Derek Elsworth of Pennsylvania State University, Day performed some calculations to see if the pressure generated by heating water would be enough to make the rock fracture. Sure enough, relatively modest warming gave huge increases in water pressure. At 1 kilometre below the surface, for instance, a temperature increase of as little as 15 °C would increase water pressure from around 160 atmospheres to 400 atmospheres--more than enough to split the rock and cause a collapse.
All fall down: water trapped inside an erupting volcano could force it collapse
Gary McMurtry at the University of Hawaii in Honolulu agrees that water is vital, but disagrees with Day and Elsworth on exactly how water causes collapses. McMurtry thinks collapses in the Hawaiian islands are triggered when rainwater penetrates shallow magma chambers and causes so-called phreatomagmatic eruptions--large, violent explosions that occur when hot magma comes into contact with water and turns into a pressurised mixture of molten rock and steam."Everywhere we look on the sea floor around the Hawaiian islands, we see volcanic ash. That's telling us that there has been explosive volcanism," says McMurtry. He believes the force of these explosions, rather than the expansion of liquid water, causes volcanic island collapses. However, Day argues that this model does not apply to the Canaries, where magma reservoirs lurk deep in the Earth's crust, out of the reach of rainwater. He points out that on La Palma in 1949, no explosive activity was recorded on the volcano when the fault line appeared.
Whether the expansion of liquid water or steam explosions are the driving force, Day and McMurtry agree that the combination of water and magma triggers collapse. Day says this leads to an important prediction: if the Cumbre Vieja collapses, it is likely to happen during a future eruption. "It is reassuring that the Cumbre Vieja isn't going to collapse spontaneously," he says. But it's also worrying. After all, the volcano erupts once every few decades.
Still, not every eruption happens in the right place to cause a collapse--or even to make the fault more unstable. The last one was in 1971, but that took place on the southern tip of the island, well away from the unstable summit ridge. According to Day, how dangerous an eruption is depends on how long it lasts, where on the volcano it occurs and how much magma is involved. "It's unlikely that the volcano will collapse during the next eruption," he says, and it may take many more before the fault finally gives. But when it does give, watch out USA.
A tsunami, also called SEISMIC SEA WAVE, or TIDAL WAVE, is a catastrophic ocean wave, usually caused by a submarine earthquake occurring less than 50 km (30 miles) beneath the seafloor, with a magnitude greater than 6.5 on the Richter scale. Underwater or coastal landslides or volcanic eruptions also may cause a tsunami.
After the earthquake or other generating impulse, a train of simple, progressive oscillatory waves is propagated great distances at the ocean surface in ever-widening circles, much like the waves produced by a pebble falling into a shallow pool. In deep water, the wavelengths are enormous, about 100 to 200 km, and the wave heights are very small, only 0.3 to 0.6 m (1 to 2 feet). The resulting wave steepness, or ratio of height to length, ranges between 3/2,000,000 and 6/ 1,000,000. This extremely low steepness, coupled with the waves' long periods that vary from five minutes to an hour, enables normal wind waves and swell to completely obscure the waves in deep water. In any progressive oscillatory wave, the actual water motion at the surface consists of a vertical orbit with a diameter equal to the wave height, coming full circle during the period of the wave. Thus, a surface-water particle or a ship in the open ocean experiences the passage of a tsunami as an insignificant rise and fall of only 0.3 to 0.6 m, lasting from five minutes to an hour.
The surface orbital motion of any progressive oscillatory wave is transmitted diminishingly downward through the water, becoming insignificant at a depth below the surface equal to approximately half the wavelength. Tsunamis, however, being enormously longer than even the greatest ocean depths, experience significant retardation of orbital motion near the seafloor and behave as shallow-water waves regardless of the depth of the ocean the waves are propagated across. The velocity of shallow-water waves is controlled by this friction with the bottom, obeying the formula in which c is the wave velocity, g is the acceleration of gravity, and D is water depth. This relationship was used to determine the average depth of the oceans in 1856, long before many deep-sea soundings had been taken. Assuming an average velocity for seismic sea waves of about 200 m per second (450 miles per hour), an average oceanic depth of about 4,000 m is obtained; this figure compares very well with the modern estimate of 3,808 m. The relationship has enormous practical value, enabling seismologists to issue warnings to endangered coasts immediately after an earthquake and several hours before the arrival of the tsunamis.
As the waves approach the continental coasts, friction with the increasingly shallow bottom reduces the velocity of the waves. The period must remain constant; consequently, as the velocity lessens, the wavelengths become shortened and the wave amplitudes increase, coastal waters rising as high as 30 m in 10 to 15 minutes. By a poorly understood process, the continental shelf waters begin to oscillate after the rise in sea level. Between three and five major oscillations generate most of the damage; the oscillations cease, however, only several days after they begin.
Tsunamis are reflected and refracted by nearshore bottom topography and coastal configurations as any other water waves. Thus, their effects vary widely from place to place. Occasionally, the first arrival of tsunami at a coast may be a trough, the water receding and exposing the shallow seafloor. Such an occurrence in Lisbon, Port., on Nov. 1, 1755, attracted many curious people to the bay floor; and a large number of them were drowned by the succeeding wave crest that arrived only minutes later. Perhaps the most destructive tsunami was the one that occurred in 1703 at Awa, Japan, killing more than 100,000 people. The spectacular underwater volcanic explosions that obliterated Krakatau (Krakatoa) Island on Aug. 26 and 27, 1883, created waves as high as 35 m in many East Indies localities, killing more than 36,000 people.
I’d forget about buying a surfboard if I were you. Take a leaf out of Chris Kinsinger’s book and concentrate on deflecting the tidal wave onto some other poor unsuspecting sod, THROUGH THE POWER OF PRAYER!!! HALLELUJAH!!! PRAISE DE LORD!!!!
[Message edited by DANIEL2 on 02-02-2001]
posted 02-02-2001 07:05 AM PT (US) DANIEL2
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John DunhamYou said – ”Oh, and about Moses: Your quaint little theory explains very little.”
This isn’t my theory, this is the accepted theory of the scientific community. The fact is, not one particle of what I have said at this thread is original, none of it is my theory – everything I have written here is based on the discoveries and doctrines of the scientific community and many, many other people who are prepared to face the reality of mankind’s lonely and insignificant place within the universe.
With the Moses discussion, I am merely illustrating the fact that even some of the bible’s more fanciful tales are embellished from actual naturally occurring phenomena, except in the case of the parting of the ‘sea of reeds’, that was down to a spelling error which has led everyone to think it was the ‘Red Sea’. Of course, not everything in the bible can be explained in this way, but – what cannot be explained by science is purely the invention of man’s imagination.
You said – ”It is you, not I, who is imitating the ostrich…”
You are the one afflicted with ostrich-like tendencies – if I am not mistaken , you even reject the overwhelming evidence that supports the theory of evolution.
Ask yourself this John - If the Ostrich has wings and feathers, why can’t it fly?
You said – ”I fully believe that God could have and would have saved those children, both of them, had we let Him.”
If God is so merciful and all-powerful, why do we have doctors and hospitals? Should the man diagnosed with a fatal heart condition rely on his faith in God, or should he be given a heart transplant? There is not one recorded instance in medical history where faith alone has healed a diseased heart. Next you’ll be telling me that physicians are emissaries of the ‘devil’. If God is so rewarding of faith, why do we grow crops? Surely we could expect our bread-baskets to become full thanks to a ‘divine harvest’.
Think about this John. Why is it that so many people with devout faith in God still suffer the agonies of cancer, still have their homes and possessions torn apart by tornadoes and are still murdered in their beds? Perhaps you will argue that such people have transgressed, and that God is exacting punishment. Therefore, you would have to believe that all of the suffering that is endured by the peoples of planet Earth is due too ‘God’s punishment’? Would you walk up to an AIDS victim and say, ‘oh ye of little faith, thy Father in heaven has smited your Earthly body for your sins’? And why is it that some of the greatest ‘evils’ in mankind’s history have been perpetrated in the ‘name of God’? Where is your ‘Christian charity’ now?
Your God is indeed a jealous God.
Your philosophy, John, doesn’t contain just one or two holes…it is one great big hole, with a few crumbs of substance blowing about within it. I liken modern society’s rejection of traditional religion to a torrent of reality and enlightenment that is sweeping into oblivion the few remaining particles of superstitious faith in a fictional entity.
Ask yourself this John - If God intended us to live in Dark Ages’ ignorance, why did He give us the ability to think?
posted 02-02-2001 07:07 AM PT (US) Marian Schedenig
Member
The Road goes ever on and on
Down from the door where it began.
Now far ahead the Road has gone,
And I must follow, if I can,Pursuing it with warty feet,
Until it joins some larger way,
Where many paths and errands meet.
And whither then? I cannot say.In this spirit, I allowed myself to create the follow-up thread Another ? for PETER K.. I suggest that we post a link to the new thread in the FINAL post on THIS thread, so we can continue there. And I ask everyone NOT to post at the new thread until THIS thread is finished.
(BTW, Peter - Is the limit 2000 messages (=1999 replies) or 2000 replies (=2001 messages)?)
posted 02-02-2001 07:17 AM PT (US) Marian Schedenig
Member
I sit beside the fire and think
of all that I have seen,
of meadow-flowers and butterflies
in summers that have been;Of yellow leaves and gossamer
in autumns that there were,
with morning mist and silver sun
and wind upon my hair.I sit beside the fire and think
of how the world will be
when winter comes without a spring
that I shall ever see.For still there are so many things
that I have never seen:
in every wood in every spring
there is a different green.I sit beside the fire and think
of people long ago,
and people who will see a world
that I shall never know.But all the while I sit and think
of times there were before,
I listen for returning feet
and voices at the door.posted 02-02-2001 07:21 AM PT (US) Marian Schedenig
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Again, just in case you missed the note above:Whoever posts the final post in this thread, and wants like I do to continue in another thread, please add a link to the successor thread (see above) in that final post.
Allrighty?
posted 02-02-2001 07:32 AM PT (US) Marian Schedenig
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UselessKnowledge.com:In 1947, the California golden trout was made the official state fish of California.
For the first time, the Academy Awards ceremony was opened to the general public in 1947.
From 1944 to 1947, James Mason was the top box-office draw in Britain.
In 1947, 40-year-old British actor Laurence Olivier was knighted, becoming the youngest actor to be so honored.
Jason Robards, nominated for more Tony Awards than any other actor, made his New York City acting debut in 1947 as the rear end of a cow in a production of "Jack and the Beanstalk."
The 1947 World Series brought in television's first mass audience. It was carried in New York, Philadelphia, Schenectady, and Washington, D.C., and was seen by an estimated 3.9 million people – 3.5 million of them in were in pubs and bars.
The Waldorf-Astoria was home to the first annual Tony Awards presentation in 1947.
In the United States, Jeno Paulucci made Chinese food, under the Chun King label, available in supermarkets nationwide for the first time in 1947. He later brought out Jeno's pizza.
In 1947, Toys for Tots started making the holidays a little happier for children by organizing its first Christmas toy drive for needy youngsters.
Baseball's first Rookie of the Year was Brooklyn Dodger Jackie Robinson, who was given the award in 1947. Forty years later, it was officially renamed the Jackie Robinson Award.
Two objects have struck the earth with enough force to destroy a whole city. Each object, one in 1908 and again in 1947, struck regions of Siberia. Not one human being was hurt either time.
Artificial rain was first used near Concord, New Hampshire, in 1947 to fight a forest fire.
NP: Tam O'Shanter (Malcolm Arnold) - I bet Horner likes this piece
posted 02-02-2001 08:32 AM PT (US) Timmer
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Someone who thinks logically provides a nice contrast to the real world.
posted 02-02-2001 09:20 AM PT (US) Chris Kinsinger
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"Take a leaf out of Chris Kinsinger’s book and concentrate on deflecting the tidal wave onto some other poor unsuspecting sod, THROUGH THE POWER OF PRAYER!!! HALLELUJAH!!! PRAISE DE LORD!!!!"Daniel, you are absolutely incorrigible. You gleefully twist my words at every turn.
The reason why there are so many packed hospitals in the world is the very same reason why a crowd of people tortured and crucified an innocent man 2000 years ago.
The vast majority of the earth's population rejects God's free gifts. They do not want His salvation, His direction, His provision, His wisdom or His healing, and they would rather see an innocent man executed than to receive any of it. Divine Healing has always been available to everyone, and God is still healing people today the very same way that Jesus did when He walked the earth. God said, "My people perish (are destroyed) for lack of knowledge, because you have rejected knowledge." - Hosea 4:6 This fact grieves the heart of our Creator. He has offered to each one of us the Way, the Truth and the Life.
And there you sit, Daniel. You have rejected it all, and yet you have the audacity to complain about the consequences.My favorite Hebrew phrase: "Go figure!"
posted 02-02-2001 09:30 AM PT (US) JJH
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quote:
Would you walk up to an AIDS victim and say, ‘oh ye of little faith, thy Father in heaven has smited your Earthly body for your sins’? And why is it that some of the greatest ‘evils’ in mankind’s history have been perpetrated in the ‘name of God’? Where is your ‘Christian charity’ now?
Perhaps Daniel 2, an self-proclaimed enlightened individual, is unfamiliar with the fall from paradise, and the notions of free will and prayer.and why is it some of the greatest 'evils' in mankind's history have been perpetrated in the name of persecution of Christians?
where is your pagan charity now?a strong Christian would walk up to this hypothetical AIDS victim and not judge him, but invite him into his home and offer food and shelter, if he needed it.
posted 02-02-2001 11:24 AM PT (US) Chris Kinsinger
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I'm a student of Curry Blake (see my previous post on page 48), who teaches Christians to minister healing the very same way that Jesus did. This ministry has a number of documented AIDS healings. In Jesus's day, he healed leprosy, which was the "AIDS Death Sentence" of that time.
God heals every disease.
posted 02-02-2001 12:29 PM PT (US) John Dunham
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I must have missed something... WHY does the thread have to end?
posted 02-02-2001 12:45 PM PT (US) H Rocco
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Evidently it hasn't ... nor does it have to, except for the single practical reason that it's a bitch to load.NP: JOHN WILLIAMS SPACETACULARS (only cost me $2! ALL Williams' Boston Pops covers of SF music on one disc! His conducting of his own music is predictably fine, but I must say I was horrified by the sludgy intepretation of Goldsmith's STAR TREK - TMP. He did much better with ALIEN and Courage's STAR TREK. Oh wait, we're not allowed to mention film music on this thread. Well, this isn't PRECISELY film music, it's ... CONCERT music, yeah, THAT'S it!)
posted 02-02-2001 02:17 PM PT (US) John Dunham
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Hummm... Okay, well maybe it could be a sort of series, each one with 50 pages. Something like...~The Book Of ? For PeterK~
We'd have "? for PeterK vol. II," "III," "IV," etc.
NP: Cleopatra, Trevor Jones *****
posted 02-02-2001 02:47 PM PT (US) DjC
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posted 02-02-2001 03:14 PM PT (US) Al
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From the movie quotes and odd artwork to the great Carroll poems, this has been a terrific thread.Congrats guys.
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posted 02-02-2001 04:08 PM PT (US) Marian Schedenig
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Or the abbrevtiations for the book titles:? #1 for PeterK
? #2 for PeterK
...NP: Igor Strawinsky: Le Sacre du printemps (Berlin Philharmonic, Herbert von Karajan)
posted 02-02-2001 04:15 PM PT (US) Marian Schedenig
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This thread is going slower and slower. Could it be that it is CONVERGING against 2000? (if that's how to express it in English, I never had English maths)NP: The Lord of the Rings (Leonard Rosenman, Intrada)
posted 02-02-2001 04:38 PM PT (US) Timmer
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Anything worth fighting for is worth fighting dirty for.
posted 02-02-2001 05:37 PM PT (US) Observer
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Everyone go here: http://corona.bc.ca/films/details/apes.htmlThe new Planet of the Apes movie is lookin' pretty good.
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