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Topic: Poltergeist 2... talk to me fellas, talk to me.
Jeron
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Just won this for a fairly reasonable price off of E-bay! About 13 bucks. I know it's way out of print - and heck, it's Jerry so it's an automatic must... but what's the inside scoop on the score? I love the first... and from what I remember, this one has quite a few different musical textures than the first. Doesn't Carol Anne's theme make an appearance? Shaun, spill your guts. Everyone else please feel free to comment as well! That includes you, Peter.Jeron
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posted 09-14-2000 08:43 PM PT (US) Chris Kinsinger
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You WILL love it!
One of Jerry's finest.
posted 09-14-2000 08:54 PM PT (US) Jeron
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Excellent, Chris. I can always trust your opinions when it comes to Goldsmith. Can you give me any other details, though?Jeron
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posted 09-14-2000 09:10 PM PT (US) Al
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Depends on which version you have, Jeron. On a thematic level, some listeners enjoy this score more than the first. Besides the Carol Anne theme, some dark Omenish choral writing makes an appearance. Not to mention the creepy hymn written for the deranged minister. AND there is a rousing heroic motif. AND there is another sentimental theme that makes a great appearance with full orchestra in the finale.BUT... to get all of this depends on the version you bought. The short Intrada version or the expanded one.
NP: Alfred Newman's "Counterfeit Traitor" posted 09-14-2000 09:54 PM PT (US) Jeron
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The one I'm getting is a Varese disc... After investigating this a little bit, it doesn't look like I'm getting the absolute best representation of the score. Darn darn darn. I suppose I'll have to continue hunting for the Intrada disc.Jeron
posted 09-14-2000 10:10 PM PT (US) BMikeJ
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quote:
Originally posted by Jeron:
The one I'm getting is a Varese disc... After investigating this a little bit, it doesn't look like I'm getting the absolute best representation of the score. Darn darn darn. I suppose I'll have to continue hunting for the Intrada disc.Jeron
What you've got here, Jeron, is probably the German import from Colosseum. It's still a good introduction to the score and probably the version Jerry would want you to have. Don't worry. You'll get the expanded one some day...
posted 09-15-2000 01:56 AM PT (US) mtodd
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I picked the expanded one up last year in a used bin for cheap--good buy, surprisingly good music...mediocre movie. The synth lines are somewhat dated but in all this is the kind of music a lot of fans wish he would write more of nowadays. posted 09-15-2000 06:12 AM PT (US) Marian Schedenig
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Are the Intrada versions out of print, too?NP: The Perfect Storm (James Horner)
posted 09-15-2000 08:01 AM PT (US) JoeInSanDiego
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I had no idea Varese put out a print of P2. I only knew of the two Intrada versions.Jeron, the music is pure Goldsmith. Yes, he revisits Carol Ann's theme in there, but there is a Heroic "family theme" that starts off as a mysterious 6 note motif and, by the end of the film, coems full circle to a rousing and triumphant statement. There is the absolutely terrifying (GOD IS IN HIS HOLY TEMPLE) chorus that represents the insane, beast-controlled minister as well.
All in all, it is a fantastic score to a mediocre film (ummm...what else is new, it's Goldsmith...hehehehe).
You WILL have to tell me all about this Varese version though...what is on it and the name of the tracks.
Joe
posted 09-15-2000 08:17 AM PT (US) mtodd
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Its not listed on their website.Mark
posted 09-15-2000 08:19 AM PT (US) Jeron
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It is apparently the same, short version as the first Intrada issue. Those track titles are as follows:01. The Power 7:42
02. Late Call 3:22
03. The Smoke 4:36
04. The Worm 5:13
05. Reaching Out 8:29Intrada did a re-issue after the Varese disc went out of print. Then, they released the expanded version. << That's the one I would like to have. I'll find it some day. If anything, the Varese disc should be a collectable.
Jeron
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posted 09-15-2000 08:57 AM PT (US) Marian Schedenig
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After reading all this, I'll also have to find it one day!
NP: Monsignor (John Williams) - Thanks, Timmer!
posted 09-15-2000 10:42 AM PT (US) rfeigels
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I need to correct some misinformation. Varese was not the first issuer of POLTERGEIST II. Intrada was. The album came out at the time of the film. Intrada was only granted domestic distribution rights, Varese was given International rights. The Varese version you bid on was not authorized for sale in the US. It's also vastly inferior to the expanded issue.Roger
posted 09-15-2000 02:03 PM PT (US) Jeron
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Cool. Thanks for correcting me, Roger.Jeron
posted 09-15-2000 03:26 PM PT (US) Marian Schedenig
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...but I still don't know if the expanded Intrada release is also out of print or not!
NP: Air Force One (Jerry Goldsmith)
posted 09-15-2000 03:27 PM PT (US) Jeron
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Marian, every release of Poltergeist 2, including the expanded issue, is out of print. It's hard to find in any form.Jeron
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posted 09-15-2000 03:35 PM PT (US) Marian Schedenig
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Thanks (to you - no thanks to the bastards who bought all the copies and left none for me)NP: Air Force One (Jerry Goldsmith)
posted 09-15-2000 04:06 PM PT (US) Wedge
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Maybe it's just me, but I found this score flat and uninspired. The original "Poltergeist" was a masterpiece ... pure, unbridled supernatural terror, in all its beauty and majesty. The sequel score is moderately interesting at best. The electronics are not adequately supported by the orchestra ... the new themes are rote and fairly bland ... the chorus sounds like Omen-lite ... the music bustles and bumbles but fails to actually *go* anywhere ... in fact, the only track that moved me at all was "Carol Ann's Theme" ... which I have on the first disc!I dunno. Maybe this is one of those Goldsmith scores that gets better with age. But somehow I doubt it.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go play "Supergirl" ... that was good the FIRST time around.
NP: Masada
posted 09-17-2000 07:11 PM PT (US) Chris Kinsinger
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Wedge, your initial statement was correct...it's just YOU.
NP: Lion Of Judah Dave Bell posted 09-19-2000 09:16 AM PT (US) André Lux
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Hihihihihihi!!
posted 09-19-2000 11:02 AM PT (US) jonathan_little
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Are there any plans for a re-issue (of the Intrada version) in the works? posted 09-19-2000 03:37 PM PT (US) Wedge
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You asked for it, Chris! Just for that, you're getting a live play-by-play rundown of this score, straight from the golden tongue of Wedge ... right here ... tonight! Just watch me!
posted 09-19-2000 04:15 PM PT (US) Wedge
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On second thought, I'll meet you over at "? for PeterK" I want evvvvvrybody to watch as I knock you to the floor!
posted 09-19-2000 04:17 PM PT (US) Wedge
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Come to think of it, anyone know a good chatroom? >:-)
posted 09-19-2000 04:43 PM PT (US) H Rocco
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At the time, I thought POLTERGEIST II even better than the original -- though I think of them now as companion pieces, neither of them truly "superior" to the other. Anyway, I was MASSIVELY disappointed with the original Intrada LP issue, which was famously short in length and eliminated TONS of important material. As did their first subsequent CD.I've HEARD of the Varese CD, but never seen one up close. I did own the Varese-licensed Japanese CD issued by Victor Records, which was identical to the original Intrada release, except for Goldsmith's credit on the front cover: the typography was identical to what Varese was using in those days, rather than what Intrada used on the LP and their own later CDs.
The SECOND Intrada release, and the only one worth owning unless you need to own every incarnation of Jerry's music (I just want ALL of it, I don't care about having different artwork or whatever), was issued by Intrada in 1993, I think (perhaps 1992?) This one was nearly twice as long and restored piles more of important music. Although there was at least one noticeable alteration made: the elimination of the "dial-tone" synth effect from the cue "Night Call." So in that sense, the old POLTERGEIST II discs are worth keeping if you're completely obsessed with EACH LAST LITTLE variation ... and I guess I'm not that far gone, since I sold my old Japanese disc after acquiring the Intrada expanded ...
posted 09-19-2000 05:35 PM PT (US) Wedge
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quote:
Originally posted by H Rocco:
At the time, I thought POLTERGEIST II even better than the original -- though I think of them now as companion pieces, neither of them truly "superior" to the otherLike YOU of all people can be objective about a Jerry Goldsmith score!
<ducks for cover> posted 09-19-2000 05:40 PM PT (US) Marian Schedenig
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NP: Anton Bruckner: Symphony #8
posted 09-19-2000 06:19 PM PT (US) H Rocco
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oh, I'll FIND ya, Wedgie ...NP: something by somebody
posted 09-19-2000 08:35 PM PT (US) Chris Kinsinger
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Stick around, fellas! It looks like this bare-fisted brawl is about to break out into a hockey game! posted 09-19-2000 08:53 PM PT (US) rfeigels
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quote:
Originally posted by H Rocco:
Although there was at least one noticeable alteration made: the elimination of the "dial-tone" synth effect from the cue "Night Call."As one note on this: it's actually a synth effect of a child's telephone ringing, not a dial-tone. However, this effect was not in the film, but was added by Bruce Botnik when he was assembling the Intrada album.
Roger
posted 09-20-2000 10:06 AM PT (US) H Rocco
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Yes, not a dial tone, that was lazy of me ... and I DID notice that the sound effect in the movie is quite different from the one on the album, but I was unaware that the album version was Botnick's doing.
posted 09-20-2000 10:54 AM PT (US) Ron Pulliam
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For future reference, anyone seeking the expanded version of Poletergeist 2 will want to find Intrada RVF 6002D. The story behind this expanded version is that Intrada discovered the payments they made for the first release covered more music than they had been led to believe. So this second release, no longer available, was made possible. The first release was Intrada VJF 5002D. posted 09-20-2000 01:07 PM PT (US) rfeigels
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Thanks Ron, but you have the catalog numbers reversed. The VJF release is the expanded edition.
Roger posted 09-20-2000 01:21 PM PT (US) Ron Pulliam
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Well dip me and fry me!That means my d#$%ed CD database is wrong, too!
Thanks, Roger! I'll get those suckers reversed.
Ron
posted 09-20-2000 04:45 PM PT (US) Old Infopop Software by UBB