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Jeron Standard Userer	Hey fellers, Just got my copy of "The 4 Horsemen of the Apocalypse" from Rhino Handmade... and it's great! I've never heard anything by André Previn, so I kinda took a leap of faith (based on all the hype surrounding the release of this cd). It definitely lives up to the hype. Before I can really begin to discuss it, I'll have to listen to it a couple more times... but the love theme is one-of-a-kind. It's absolutely gorgeous - and there's definitely no lack of it on the cd. Has anyone else gotten their copies? If you haven't ordered it, do so immediately! It's a Rhino Handmade limited release (4,500 printed) and once they're gone, they're gone. It's an internet-only deal... click here for more info. Jeron [Message edited by Jeron on 05-07-2001]
posted 05-07-2001 06:38 PM PT (US)

Stephen Lister Standard Userer	Anxiously waiting by the mail box...
posted 05-07-2001 08:46 PM PT (US)

sabbey Standard Userer	I didn't bother to order it, since I have not heard any of André Previn's music before and I was low on money, when Rhino were taking pre-orders. Anyway, at this moment the only title Rhino Handmade is supposedly releasing that I plan on getting is the 2 CD set of King of Kings. Hey, it's Rozsa. I know what to expect! Though, I do have some extra spending money at the moment, I may consider picking the disc up. So, how is it? Regards, Sean Robert Abbey [Message edited by sabbey on 05-08-2001]
posted 05-08-2001 12:06 AM PT (US)

mgh Standard Userer	Jeron is right; it is wonderful. This really is one of the great scores; don't pass this one up.
posted 05-08-2001 01:45 AM PT (US)

Jeron Standard Userer	Sean, here's track #20, Refusal... great music. Jeron
posted 05-08-2001 04:42 AM PT (US)

Pete M Standard Userer	I've not heard this, but from what everyone says about it, I'd really like to have a copy. Unfortunately, I can't justify spending $28 dollars on one CD right now. Have been spending far too much recently getting my Argento videography up to date (nearly there, too ). But if I don't order it soon, I will never get the chance to order it. Hmmmmmm. What to do, what to do.
posted 05-08-2001 04:48 AM PT (US)

sabbey Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Jeron: Sean, here's track #20, Refusal... great music. Jeron Jeron! Thanks for adding the clip. I am currently downloading it now. Once, that is done, it is off to bed. Though, after I hear it this afternoon, I'll make sure to go see about ordering it. Not that I have any money, now that I have ordered Trevor Jones' Merlin score. But, then again that is what credit cards are for, now aren't they?! You only live once as the saying goes! Regards, Sean Robert Abbey
posted 05-08-2001 05:55 AM PT (US)

JJH Standard Userer	quote: I didn't bother to order it, since I have not heard any of André Previn's music before and I was low on money, when Rhino were taking pre-orders Andre Previn is a consummate musician, versatile as both jazz pianist and classical composer and conductor. And the only other American knighted by the Queen of Britain (as if that matters in the least). aren't there 4500 copies of this available? with some of the other great limited edition titles out there from labels like FSM and Prometheus, I betting this score won't sell out anytime soon, so I am gonna hold off a bit. NP -- not 4 Horsemen of the Apocalypse
posted 05-08-2001 06:17 AM PT (US)

Jeron Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by JJH: Aren't there 4500 copies of this available? I just knew someone was gonna say that... and it had to be you, JJ!! Fine, just spoil the sense of urgency I was trying to impress upon everyone. It's still a great cd... Mr. Abbey, lemme know how you like that clip. Jeron [Message edited by Jeron on 05-08-2001]
posted 05-08-2001 11:38 AM PT (US)

JJH Standard Userer	quote: I'm the Party Pooper! NP -- Excelsior!, Symphonic Overture[/b], Stenhammar
posted 05-08-2001 12:12 PM PT (US)

Stephen Lister Standard Userer	STILL anxiously waiting by the mail box...
posted 05-08-2001 12:47 PM PT (US)

sakman Standard Userer	My copy was numbered 2645 and I ordered in March. My only complaint is that the notes leave a lot to be desired. There is no track by track discussion. If the "little" guys can do it, it boggles the mind that Rhino was not able to do it. The notes talk about the film more than they do the music. This gets low marks in accompanying information, but it is a great score. Was there no information about the solo violinist on this? They did admirable work, especially if this is primarily sight reading. If you did not care for the Theme on the "Cinema Serenade" disc you likely can skip this. FSM & Percepto are just 2 companies that are excelling at these productions. Rhino needs to step up a bit more.
posted 05-08-2001 09:33 PM PT (US)

Lou Goldberg Standard Userer	This is a GREAT score that should be in every collection. Help Rhino along and encourage them to do more of this kind of thing by buying this NOW! Gripe about the notes and the price but go ahead and buy the thing anyway--WOW!--is right.
posted 05-08-2001 09:52 PM PT (US)

sabbey Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Jeron: Mr. Abbey, lemme know how you like that clip. Hmmm! It was real good. In fact, it has made me decide to order it. Hopefully, I'll get to do so before the end of the month. In any case, thanks for the clip. Regards, Sean Robert Abbey
posted 05-08-2001 11:24 PM PT (US)

sakman Standard Userer	I do not think it is out of line to "gripe" about getting a subpar produced CD when they are priced at the cost of this one--especially as a domestic product. And if Rhino is checking this board, which they might, they need to know that there are expectations to these things. At least it's not like the fold out posters they used on their other film music releases. If they want to charge another 5-6 bucks more than their other discs and remove their "middlemen," they need to demonstrate that we are getting something for the cost. Not even track times are listed on this thing--how hard could that have been. There are lots of little things that add up. Low expectations breed mediocrity. Finally, I just have never understood how folks try to convince people how great film music is, but do not understand the need for context which good annotation can provide for those unfamiliar with the source for the music. Even good ballet suite recordings provide summaries of the works they are taken from. And you do not need to pay $25-30 for them. Yes, the music is great and was worthy of a CD issue, its supporting documentation needs improvement. Let's hope that future issues will correct this problem. (Now watch Turner release a DVD with an isolated score!)
posted 05-09-2001 07:05 PM PT (US)

Jeron Standard Userer	I like liner notes just like the next man, but frankly, I bought the cd for the music, not analyzation OF the music. I can do that on my own... or submit it to any one of my friends for good discussion. I bought the U-571 and Galaxy Quest discs for 20 bucks a pop, and while they are promos, I wasn't too bent out of shape as a result to their lack of documentation. ::shrugs:: Just my take on the issue... Jeron
posted 05-09-2001 07:36 PM PT (US)

jonathan_little Standard Userer	To be quite honest, I don't spend a great deal of time reading liner notes. I like to see a picture of the composer, a standard little blurb about him/her, and maybe a brief note of the more important parts of the score. I really like the Omega Man notes. Not for the track analysis (sorry ), but for the other stuff. I found the information about the "water chime" and the note about the recording engineer to be pretty interesting. I'd love to read the details of the restoration process. Speaking of liner notes, the other day I opened up my Rambo II notes and noticed a paragraph that stated some of these tapes had to be baked! The tapes were about fourteen years old at the time of Silva's re-release. Jeepers, this worries me that some tapes from 1985 are falling apart already. No track times does annoy the hell out of me, though. Like JJH, I'm going to wait a bit on getting this one, since I still haven't picked up FSM's Patton, Tora!, Untamed, or Prince Valiant, and I think those will sell out before this title does... not to mention that it's killing me because I don't have those Waxman titles.
posted 05-09-2001 08:17 PM PT (US)

Lou Goldberg Standard Userer	Sakman is right--if you're going to charge big bucks to issue the thing, you could put a little production behind it, the music's the main thing, but there are certain basics you shouldn't skip over when issuing a score from the past.
posted 05-09-2001 09:10 PM PT (US)

sakman Standard Userer	I think Jeron and I are saying the same thing, but differently. And I think the main problem I had was that I viewed this as something "special." The music IS special. But even something about it in the booklet would have been nice. I generally use the "notes" over time after I get used to listening to something (especially the track analysis). I read these after my first listen and wondered when they would get around to the music. If I want to read excuses about a film I'll go on IMDB, or read a film book. "Promo" CDs are "promo" cds usually designed to just get a composers music out there. That is not the case here. Don't let the ads fool you, there are some deep pockets behind this production.
posted 05-10-2001 07:04 AM PT (US)

sabbey Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Jeron: I just knew someone was gonna say that... and it had to be you, JJ!! Fine, just spoil the sense of urgency I was trying to impress upon everyone. It's still a great cd... You want a sense of urgency?! I just got mine in today, and it is numbered 4460/4500! Regards, Sean Robert Abbey
posted 05-14-2001 05:44 PM PT (US)

Jeron Standard Userer	All the numbers are randomly picked, Sean! It's not first come first serve...... just FYI.
posted 05-14-2001 06:20 PM PT (US)

sabbey Standard Userer	Well, that's good to know! Just pointing it out, in case it was. I have missed such discs in the past, and don't want anyone else to have to as well! Regards, Sean Robert Abbey
posted 05-14-2001 06:48 PM PT (US)

Jeron Standard Userer	So... now that ya have it, what do ya think?
posted 05-15-2001 11:46 AM PT (US)

sabbey Standard Userer	I'll let you know once I hear it! I have been too busy working on an update for my website, to do so yet. Hopefully, I will tonight or tomorrow though! Regards, Sean Robert Abbey
posted 05-15-2001 05:39 PM PT (US)

sabbey Standard Userer	Well, I finished listening to the score. I must say it is really good. Better than I expected. However, the major theme sounds very familiar, as if I had heard it before. Funny, since I have never seen this film or heard the score before! While, I might be wrong, it sounded like a Miklos Rozsa score I have heard. Being from around the same time, it is indeed strange. Regards, Sean Robert Abbey [Message edited by sabbey on 05-17-2001]
posted 05-17-2001 09:26 PM PT (US)

Graham Watt Standard Userer	Sabbey, I seem to remember that the love theme has a very Rozsa-esque violin line. I vaguely recall some speculation on this a while back. Didn't Andre Previn say somewhere that he did that deliberately or something? Did Previn have a spell when Rozsa was his teacher, something like that?
posted 05-18-2001 04:31 AM PT (US)

sabbey Standard Userer	I wouldn't know! It just had me in "deja-vu" mode throughout most of the score. I know I have heard it just recently, IIRC within EL Cid. So, maybe it is was some sort of homage. Hey, I can live with it. Remember, I like James Horner too! Regards, Sean Robert Abbey [Message edited by sabbey on 05-18-2001]
posted 05-18-2001 11:48 AM PT (US)

tjguitar Standard Userer	Funny that people were worried about this one disappearing fast.....seven and a half years ago! Looks like there's still plenty to be had. I don't have it.....should I? Not that I can afford it at the moment. [Message edited by tjguitar on 12-30-2008]
posted 12-30-2008 12:14 AM PT (US)

John C Winfrey Standard Userer	Previn wrote several good scores in the 50s and 60s and when he was really young he wrote some really good stuff for B films. Much of which was tracked into the Superman series in the 50s. Some of those cues are fantastic. J.
posted 12-31-2008 09:07 PM PT (US)

Jeron Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by tjguitar: Funny that people were worried about this one disappearing fast.....seven and a half years ago! Ha, yeah... pretty funny reading back on this thread. Boy how time flies... geesh. I'd pick it up when you've got the cash, it's still a terrific album. André Previn was one of the great masters.
posted 01-06-2009 11:42 PM PT (US)

tjguitar Standard Userer	Jeron: my thing with some of these RHINO albums (see also: HOW THE WEST WAS WON) is all the source music and vocal tracks mixed within the score proper. I just dislike that stuff being mixed in. I know i can just change it around on my computer, but for whatever reason, these are soem of the ones that just seem to stay in the wish list forever and ever...
posted 01-07-2009 01:10 AM PT (US)

Jeron Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by tjguitar: Jeron: my thing with some of these RHINO albums (see also: HOW THE WEST WAS WON) is all the source music and vocal tracks mixed within the score proper. I just dislike that stuff being mixed in. I know i can just change it around on my computer, but for whatever reason, these are soem of the ones that just seem to stay in the wish list forever and ever... Well, in the case of 4HoA, what source and vocal tracks there are, are sorted within the context of the score, but IMO they fit quite nicely. And, there aren't that many of them. Either way, again -- definitely a good one to have on the shelf.
posted 01-07-2009 11:19 AM PT (US)

Pete M Standard Userer	Wow, blast from the past! I'd completely forgotten this one, & still haven't got round to buy it! Still plenty of copies left then? NP Hunted (Thomas Kruvajan)
posted 01-27-2009 11:15 AM PT (US)

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