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    Topic:   New Pole... err... Rod! Err... Poll!

     PeterK
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    Time for a new poll!

    The new one is leaning towards something like this (if you don't like it or think it's unfair or uninteresting, that's your cue to suggest something you do like!):

    Who writes the best action cues?

    -Goldsmith
    -Williams
    -MediaVentures
    -Horner
    -etc etc etc.

    I only can take 6 composers, maximum. Who will/should make the final list?

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    posted 06-04-2001 12:12 PM PT (US)     

     Lancelot
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    Define "action cue"...(emphasis on action.)

    1) A high tempo orchestral/synthesizer type run-away.... (a "chase cue", if you will.)

    2) An elegiac choral piece, accompanying something Sam-Peckinpah/John-Woo slow-motion. (A 2.5 seconds of literal action drawn over 30 seconds of screen time.)

    You left out Kamen, at any rate.

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    posted 06-04-2001 12:23 PM PT (US)     

     Scott
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    Williams
    Goldsmith
    Silvestri
    McNeely
    Zimmer (Media Ventures is a little unfair, don't you think?)
    Ahhhhhhhhhhh, forget Zimmer and his clones. Put Howard there instead, he'll kick Zimmer's butt anyday, daily bath or not.
    Jones

    Also to be considered:

    Horner
    Debney
    Arnold
    Eidelman


    Scott

    [Message edited by Scott on 06-04-2001]

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    posted 06-04-2001 12:26 PM PT (US)     

     joan hue
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    Action? Must add Poledouris.

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    posted 06-04-2001 12:34 PM PT (US)     

     Lancelot
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    Ideas for polls...

    1) Do you prefer the obligatory pop song(s)

    [] At the beginning of the CD?
    [] At the end of the CD?
    [] Doesn't matter--I can program my player.
    [] Help--I don't know how to program my player!

    2) What's the most you would pay for an out of print/rare/import CD?

    [] "Twenty bucks, max."
    [] "I could see myself paying up to $100"
    [] "My kidney."
    [] "My mother's kidney."

    3) Do you think Directors should stick with a certain composer?

    [] Yes, a good collaboration makes for a good repetoire of work.
    [] Yes, but once in a while, it's ok to break standards.
    [] No, each film is an individual work, and music should be determined separately.
    [] No, the composer isn't ultimately important--just as long as the music fits the movie.

    4) What do you think of the commercial importance placed on film music currently?

    [] What?? If it sells, it sells.
    [] Film scores should be marketed and advertised like any kind of popular/modern music.
    [] Film scores don't need advertisment, because we know where to find it.
    [] The term "You know this doesn't have real music on it." makes you want to tear down the entire corporate musical infrastructure.

    5) How often do you reccommend film music to "other" people (*other - shall be defined as those who normally exhibit much less than a passing interest in instrumental music.)

    [] If it's good, I recommend it to everyone!
    [] Only to close friends and family.
    [] I learned to stop the hard way after the first few times....
    [] No! My music! Mine! Mine! You no listen!

    6) Part One: You're on a romantic date and your favorite score is playing in the background. Your date asks what music is playing. Not being able to "read" her/his opinion of the music, do you answer:

    [] the Title of movie only.
    [] the Composer, hoping that a lack of recognition will diffuse the question.
    [] the Composer, hoping that recognition of the composer will open the door to further romantic fireworks.
    [] "It's just some soundtrack...."
    [] (Dodging) "Would you prefer if I put on something else?"

    6) Part Two: Assuming that your date apparently doesn't care for the current music, do you:

    [] End the evening, since this person is beyond hope.
    [] Try another soundtrack. (One of 'em got to work!)
    [] Put on something with...(ewww)....words.
    [] Try something else, but still make plans for a second date, hoping to eventually sway your date over....

    7) Part One: You're in the store, and someone who looks unfamiliar with the soundtrack section is looking for a soundtrack with no sucess, and little help from the store employees. Do you:

    [] Wait for the employee to leave, and then mention to the unknowledgable customer, "You're looking for ~..."
    [] Also inform the clerk, so in the future, they too can aid the unknowledgable....
    [] Grab the correct soundtrack, and in addition to presenting it to the customer, recommend 2 or 3 other titles by the same composer.
    [] Smile quietly to yourself.

    7) Part Two: Another customer is looking for that (hot song/piece of music) that was featured in the ads for the movie, which you know is NOT on the soundtrack. Do you:

    [] Say nothing and let them buy the soundtrack anyway. (They might actually like it, and it'll do wonders for sales.)
    [] Simply inform them that the music they're looking for isn't on that CD.
    [] Tell them the correct album.

    [Message edited by Lancelot on 06-04-2001]

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    posted 06-04-2001 01:26 PM PT (US)     

     John Dunham
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    Peter: I know you'll have the basics on there, but please be sure to include JNH!

    Lancelot: I'm now going to answer all seven polls, cause I want to.

    1. B

    2. B

    3. B

    4. D

    5. C

    6(I). B

    6(II). B

    7(I). C

    7(II). D: Tell them that it's not on the CD, but inform them that if they DO buy said CD (thus helping sales) I will tell them where to get what they want. But only after they pay. And listen to what they have. And like it. Otherwise, they're outta luck!

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    posted 06-04-2001 01:53 PM PT (US)     

     Bozman
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    I think Media Ventures is fair. It's more PC than "Zimmer and Assistants".

    And, The Rock is a great action score but it wasn't just Zimmer. And so on.

    Good choice of composers, Peter. Perhaps David Arnold would go well on the list.

    Sidney

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    posted 06-04-2001 02:20 PM PT (US)     

     Camillu
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    Williams
    Goldsmith
    Zimmer
    Newton Howard
    Elfman

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    posted 06-04-2001 03:08 PM PT (US)     

     John C Winfrey
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    Best action cue composers

    1. Goldsmith-far in the lead


    and the other four I would suggest

    2. Williams
    3. Poledouris
    4. Broughton
    5. Silvestri
    6. Eidelman

    with McKenzie next. Best of the current ones in my opinion. Thanks, John.

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    posted 06-04-2001 03:33 PM PT (US)     

     JJH
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    "Let's hear for an inanimate rod!"


    NP -- Mutiny on the Bounty, Kaper

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    posted 06-04-2001 03:36 PM PT (US)     

     Shaun Rutherford
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    Being a former record store employee, naturally I take offense.

    7) Part One: You're in the store, and someone who looks unfamiliar with the soundtrack section is looking for a soundtrack with no sucess, and little help from the store employees. Do you:

    [] Wait for the employee to leave, and then mention to the unknowledgable customer, "You're looking for ~..."

    Something like this always happens to me, and it was either on my day off, or I was in another store. If I had to pick one, this would be it (up there).

    [] Also inform the clerk, so in the future, they too can aid the unknowledgable....

    If anyone ever did this to me, I (or the person standing next to me) would beat their ass. That's just not cool.

    [] Grab the correct soundtrack, and in addition to presenting it to the customer, recommend 2 or 3 other titles by the same composer.

    Sometimes this will work (Williams), but it's usually met with blank stares (Goldsmith). When people would pick up the House On Haunted Hill soundtrack, I'd always mention The Matrix (as much as I hate the album). They'd look at the Haunted Hill soundtrack and say, "Why don't this have the Marilyn Manson song on it? This is like, false advertisment or something." So, I always launch a pre-emptive "no, the songs aren't on there" strike. This happens with Varese stuff all the time. The Watcher, Hollow Man (!), The Replacements......

    Shaun


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    posted 06-04-2001 10:41 PM PT (US)     

     Lancelot
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    I plead "former music store employee" defense.

    But as I was the only one who knew what the hell anyone was talking about when it came to movie-related music (in any place I worked)...well...I feel I was the exception.

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    posted 06-05-2001 07:16 AM PT (US)     

     Jeron
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    I think David Arnold should definitely go on the list...

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    posted 06-05-2001 10:09 AM PT (US)     

     Lancelot
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    Michael Kamen? Anyone? You know--Die Hard, Lethal Weapon, Robin Hood, Three Musketeers, X-Men....? Mr. Action Score? Validate me, here.....


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    posted 06-05-2001 10:52 AM PT (US)     

     PeterK
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    Lancelot, I am taking notes...

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    posted 06-05-2001 11:34 AM PT (US)     

     Shaun Rutherford
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    I think PK's original list was fine, with the exception of including James Newton Howard.

    Shaun

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    posted 06-05-2001 03:34 PM PT (US)     

     wistiti
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    quote:
    Originally posted by Lancelot:
    [b]Michael Kamen? Anyone? You know--Die Hard, Lethal Weapon, Robin Hood, Three Musketeers, X-Men....? Mr. Action Score? Validate me, here.....

    [/B]


    Can... not... validate...

    Kamen has some nice action cues, but overall he's never impressed me much. I find his scores too chaotic.

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    posted 06-05-2001 03:56 PM PT (US)     

     Lancelot
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    So...what, Wist--Kamen should be left off?

    Cliff Eidelman? "Beautician and the Beast"? "Now and Then"? "My Girl"?

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    posted 06-05-2001 04:10 PM PT (US)     

     Pete M
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    What about Rozsa, Waxman or Herrmann?

    Goldsmith definitely has to be on the list,as does Williams.

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    posted 06-06-2001 08:53 AM PT (US)     

     Hector J. Guzman
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    Williams
    Goldsmith
    Horner
    Elfman
    Silvestri

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    posted 06-06-2001 12:13 PM PT (US)     

     SCimmerian
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    Well of course Goldsmith.He's the action man.Williams too.Herrmann of course and Rozsa just has to be on the list.Hey Korngold for swashbuckling stuff.Waxman right on there too.Stravinsky,Bartock,Prokofiev,Shostakovich,Holst since everybody imitates them in film music!

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    posted 06-06-2001 11:18 PM PT (US)     

     JJH
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    uhhhh...

    you said "Pole"...

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    posted 06-07-2001 12:01 AM PT (US)     

     Lancelot
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    I think the implication was "Composers working today"....

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    posted 06-07-2001 04:17 AM PT (US)     

     Kyriacos S
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    Here's MY list:
    Williams
    Newton-Howard
    Poledouris
    Media ventures
    Arnold
    Noooooooo Goldsmith for me!Sorry Guys!!



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    posted 06-07-2001 12:12 PM PT (US)     

     PeterK
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    Final question and list will be:

    Who's writing the best action movie music today?

    Danny Elfman
    Jerry Goldsmith
    James Newton Howard
    Michael Kamen
    Alan Silvestri
    John Williams
    Hans Zimmer


    Voting polls will open in a few moments.

    I wanted to thank Probable for this poll idea. Thank you Probable.


    NP - The Mummy (featuring some bloody good action music)

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    posted 06-07-2001 12:49 PM PT (US)     
     

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