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    Topic:   LIFEFORCE: My God!!!

     Bulldog
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    I know that this is retreading old-thread territory here, but this score is phenomenal!

    Despite first hearing about the music when Michael Ware and some others were discussing the production here a long while ago, it wasn't until last night that I finally got to hear it, while watching Tobe Hooper's film.

    While the picture has its ups and downs [Hooper's follow-up to POLTERGEIST barely compares to that film], Mancini's score--much like Goldsmith's for THE MOTION PICTURE--was superior icing on the cake. It was the production's most valuable asset. Additionally, part of what makes the work so intriguing is how surprising it is to hear Mancini compose music such as this! Its theme is simply adrenalizing! It's a kind of tune that one could listen to all day long. So musical, so rousing....

    Anyone else have any thoughts, either new or left over from months past?

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    posted 06-23-2001 11:49 AM PT (US)     

     André Lux
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    Outsdanding score from an outsdanding composer!

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    posted 06-23-2001 12:00 PM PT (US)     

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    I can only concur - another good example of how an excellent score can lift a truly dreadful (admit it) movie. Quite a menacing little number, and definitely one of the better sci-fi scores in my collection.

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    posted 06-23-2001 05:00 PM PT (US)     

     BMikeJ
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    I remember when I first heard Lifeforce... Erich Kunzel had rerecorded the theme for one of his Telarc compilations. I heard the Lifeforce theme and I almost had a stroke. I just couldn't believe that this score was also written by the same composer who gave us the Pink Panther theme and all those hit theme driven songs from the 60's. But it was the same guy and I learned that Henry Mancini had gotten his start working with Hans Salter over at Universal in the 1950's. They worked on... monster movies, stuff like Creature From The Black Lagoon. Lifeforce is right up there at the top of my favorite Mancini scores and everyone ought to own it, especially if they like big orchestral scores with powerful, surging string writing. I should mention two things. Mancini scored another horror stinker in the early 1980's called Nightwing. This is another great score from him and I hope it turns up someday. More great string writing to be found in this score... Also, Lifeforce is out of print, has been for a long time. Don't hesitate, just pick it up... and try not to have a stroke.

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    posted 06-24-2001 01:14 AM PT (US)     

     Richard Street
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    Varese's website list it as still available, at $9.98. I got mine from amazon a few months ago, but paid more for it. It is indeed a stunning score.

    The CD only contains Mancini's music, though: none of Michael Kamen's additional music for the film is on there.

    NP: ANGEL (Craig Safan)

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    posted 06-24-2001 04:35 AM PT (US)     

     Timmer
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    Lifeforce is a favourite of mine, Mancini was an incredibly versatile composer capable of near Goldsmith style complex writing and as melodic as John Barry, why he remained in a world of Blake Edwards witless comedies puzzles me?!

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    posted 06-24-2001 05:01 AM PT (US)     

     Bulldog
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    Sorry to chime in again so soon. Yes; ditto to all of this.

    To give those of you out there in "the listening audience" a clue if you haven't got one--hearing this score was, musically, the equivalent to seeing Bruce Willis star in DIE HARD after several seasons as a goofball on MOONLIGHTING.

    I just ordered the disc from Varese. I can't wait to receive it. Intrada also has it available in its catalog, but not for the nice price that Varese does.

    My advice: skip the film [the score works as underscore fine, just take my word for it] and simply buy the disc. Even if one isn't the biggest fan of "Other" music, the melodic theme alone is worth the $15.48 you'll shell out for the album. [After all, how many of you--like I--just signed off $25 for "Soarin' Over California?"]

    [Message edited by Bulldog on 06-24-2001]

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    posted 06-24-2001 05:59 AM PT (US)     

     Dylan
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    This score really sounds promising. I think I will have to get it (saw the film a few years back but of course don't remember the score).

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    posted 06-24-2001 10:30 AM PT (US)     

     JJH
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    stunningly good CD.

    it's arranged in almost a symphonic way; in movements. I guess a more recent example of this idea is Chris Young's Bless the Child CD.

    gotta love Henry Mancini. Man had a definite gift for tunes.

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    posted 06-24-2001 10:51 AM PT (US)     

     Shaun Rutherford
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    Did you really pay over $6 for shipping?!?

    Shaun

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    posted 06-24-2001 12:06 PM PT (US)     

     Bulldog
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    Actually, Shaun, I think it was $5.50. I know, I know; it's pathetically high. Still, it was the most economical deal I could find. Intrada listed the price of the disc alone at $15.99, so....

    By the way, does anyone know WHY IN THE HELL Mancini even scored this trashy movie? [It's not that I'm disappointed he did...although I bet that more than a few of his refined, "Moon River" fans would want to know if he'd been sniffing glue....]

    [Message edited by Bulldog on 06-24-2001]

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    posted 06-24-2001 12:42 PM PT (US)     

     JJH
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    that's like asking why Elmer Bernstein scored Bulletproof....


    the answer is:
    to pay the bills.

    it is a testament to Mancini's musicianship that he could work on such a crap film like this and produce one of the great film scores of the last 20 years.


    NP -- nothing

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    posted 06-24-2001 03:57 PM PT (US)     

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    Speaking of Elmer Berstein and good scores almost nobady has heard, how bout Heavy Metal. Why is this not being released on CD? I had the LP when it first came out and it got scratched beyond repair. I want it again!!!!

    And I agree with Bulldog and everyone else, Lifeforce is incredible. I wish I knew the story behind such an unlikely composer being chosen for this movie, not that i for a moment doubted Mancini's capabilities. It just seemed that he'd be the last consideration for a gothic, sci-fi-horror flick.

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    posted 06-24-2001 04:34 PM PT (US)     

     Bulldog
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    Not to dismiss Elmer Bernstein or anything, JJH, but, I mean, uh, Henry Mancini???

    The guy's gotta be one of the few film composers who's also a pop icon! [It seems to me as though only JW and Randy Newman can even begin to compare to Mancini from the standpoint of popular notoriety.]

    It's hard to imagine that it was simply a job to help him get by.... That said, maybe there were things about Mancini of which I was unaware. After all, up until last Friday, LIFEFORCE was one of them.

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    posted 06-24-2001 05:02 PM PT (US)     

     JJH
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    I suppose I missed the point, Bulldog.

    seems to happen a lot.

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    posted 06-24-2001 09:26 PM PT (US)     

     Al
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    Even a living legend such as Goldsmith has had trouble paying the bills at times.

    Sad but true.

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    posted 06-24-2001 09:44 PM PT (US)     

     Bulldog
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    This is all news to me....

    How bad are we talking about in relation to these "living legends?"

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    posted 06-25-2001 05:25 AM PT (US)     

     jonathan_little
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    The late 1980s Jerry Goldsmith (thanks to Tom and Sami's Deconstructing Goldsmith site.)

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    posted 06-25-2001 08:10 PM PT (US)     

     Matt Perkins
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    LIFEFORCE is a wonderful score from one of the greatest (and most sadly missed) of movie composers. The CD is beautifully sequenced and is a perfect listen - not a minute too long or too short. Such a haunting, evocative, romantic and pulse-pounding score (remember of course that Mancini started his career in the early 'fifties doing schlocky horror/sci-fi flicks at Universal-International so it wasn't such a great leap for him to return to the genre later in life).

    I remember reading an interview with Mancini many years ago (I think in Starlog magazine) where he expressed how pleased he had been with the way the score turned out but also his great disappointment at the way the film was so heavily re-edited in postproduction that his music was severely affected, especially the opening space/discovery sequence, which Mancini described as being "wonderful, almost like a ballet" before it got chopped up by the producers (you can hear the music the way Mancini intended on the CD).

    It's hard to know quite what inspired him to write such a majestic score since the movie is quite dementedly awful. Having said that, I do find it falls into the "so-bad-it's-good" category - the wooden performance by Peter Firth (trying to look authoritative in a groovy polo neck jumper) is hilarious,
    as is Frank Finlay's earnestly suave doctor.

    I also find the pre-CGI effects very refreshing if not always convincing, and there's some truly crazy plot diversions (including a surreal episode in a Caligari-esque mental asylyum run by none other than Jean-Luc Picard himself, Patrick Stewart!)

    A very ludicrous and very entertaining movie, with a most fabulous score by the great Hank (and I'm glad the CD is not spoiled by the inclusion of any of the unnecessary "additional cues" by Michael "Hack" Kamen)

    Matt

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    posted 06-26-2001 07:48 AM PT (US)     

     Benford
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    Oh ,this score is fantastic.Incredible.
    The last track always sends chills down my spine.The brass players of the London Symphony surely enjoyed this cue.
    I do have the European Milan pressing of this score.It's surely one of the most awful cover artworks I know .I think I will buy the American varčse edition only because the Artwork is much better.

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    posted 06-26-2001 10:04 AM PT (US)     

     Chris Kinsinger
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    Since seeing the film upon its first release, LifeForce has remained one of my all-time favorite scores! And, as for the movie itself, Matt nailed it to the wall: "A very ludicrous and very entertaining movie"

    I LOVE THIS MOVIE!

    Between hilarity and offbeat eerieness, there lies a strange ambience found in no other film this side of Ed Wood. Incredibly entertaining. Mancini's score makes it feel important.

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    posted 06-27-2001 08:29 PM PT (US)     

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    I agree that LifeForce is a stunning score, but it's not quite so out of character for Mancini as so many of you seem to think.

    After all, let's not forget that Mancini cut his teeth at Universal, and was reponsible for many a horror film cue. Furthermore, judging his scores by the albums are a mistake; Mancini routinely re-recorded the music to make it more accessible to a general audience (probably one of the main reasons for his success). Listening to the album for Charade does not give you a good idea as to what the music does in the film (the climactic action cues are very tense and driving).

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    posted 06-28-2001 07:02 AM PT (US)     

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    All very good points Swash. But just think about it. Tobe Hooper had just done Poltergeist with Goldsmith. And there were other genre specialists such as Christopher Young, James Horner and any number of other, more likely candidates to choose from. Who could have seen Mancini coming?

    In the end matter his inclusion was spectacularly inspired as was the choice of Alex North for Dragonslayer.

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    posted 06-28-2001 07:10 AM PT (US)     

     Matt Perkins
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    [QUOTE]Originally posted by Benford:
    I do have the European Milan pressing of this score.It's surely one of the most awful cover artworks I know .QUOTE]

    True - but at least the booklet features a rather nice photo of Mathilda May as she appears throughout most of the movie - minus any clothes! (not sure if the Varese edition has this - doubtful I would have thought).

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    posted 07-04-2001 05:40 AM PT (US)     

     Timmer
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    matt, I turned the cover in the case around so that picture is always showing...now how sad is that

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    posted 07-04-2001 05:47 AM PT (US)     

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    Timmer -in the words of Harold Steptoe: "You are a dirty, dirty old man!"

    M.

    P.S. Apologies to non-UK members who won't know what the hell I'm talking about

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    posted 07-04-2001 07:00 AM PT (US)     

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    I'm utterly shocked and thoroughly disgusted. I've just checked my Varese copy of LIFEFORCE and I cannot believe it. How DARE they print two pages of informative, close-packed text instead of pictures of a clothes-free Mathilda May?!? What a WASTE!!!!

    NP: THE HUNT FOR RED OCTOBER (Basil Poledouris)

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    posted 07-04-2001 11:56 AM PT (US)     

     Timmer
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    Haroooollllldd!

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    posted 07-04-2001 04:56 PM PT (US)     

     Timmer
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    Richard, write and complain, that's just not on man!

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    posted 07-04-2001 05:11 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Bulldog:

    By the way, does anyone know WHY IN THE HELL Mancini even scored this trashy movie?


    He mentioned in an interview with Yann Merluzeau that the deleted prolgue was what prompted him to take the assignment (although paying the bills sounds like a good reason too).


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    posted 07-04-2001 06:51 PM PT (US)     

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    Thanks, Bill!

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    posted 07-04-2001 07:13 PM PT (US)     

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    Not only does the Milan CD have a big color photo of Matilda whatshername NUDE, the Varese LP had a full body shot.

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    posted 07-06-2001 03:53 PM PT (US)     

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    From "The Pink Panther" to "Lifeforce".....sounds like someone else we all know...

    "A Guide for the Married Man" to "A.I.".....hehehehe

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    posted 07-06-2001 07:32 PM PT (US)     

     Bulldog
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    I think that the most significant thesis one can glean from this discussion is the following:

    No matter how popular the film composer, no matter how effective his score, the film with which he is associated has to be prominent in order for his work to be noticed.

    LIFEFORCE is the greatest example [of which I know, anyway] testifying to this matter of fact .

    Here we have THE single-most popular and well-known film composer of all time writing music that everyone who has responded in this thread [so far] enjoys. Yet, the film was poorly-received, and, thus, very few people--including avid film score aficionados--know of the picture itself, much less its musical identity.

    All of the "average" people for whom I have played "The LIFEFORCE Theme" have loved it. Each has had no idea what it is. Several have asked, "Is that gladiator music?" All of them have been astonished to learn what it in fact is, not to mention their surprise in finding out who produced it.

    So, there we have it; no matter how prolific a composer is, no matter how popular his musical style of expression, a film with which he is associated has to have a substantial presence for his score to be noticed--and, subsequently, appreciated.

    What does this all mean? For one, maybe that a certain pony-tailed hero of ours would be much more revered if more people were familiar with, oh, say, NIGHT CROSSING, for instance....

    [Message edited by Bulldog on 07-08-2001]

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    posted 07-08-2001 09:34 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Bulldog:
    What does this all mean? For one, maybe that a certain pony-tailed hero of ours would be much more revered if more people were familiar with, oh, say, NIGHT CROSSING, for instance....

    I don't have Lifeforce (yet), but I do own Night Crossing.

    What a fantastic gem this is! Intrada's 'limited edition' disc gives us an hour of the score with a fantastic recording and performance from the National Philharmonic.

    There are three major themes in the score: a theme for the East Germans, a happy waltz introduced on accordion, and 'working/flying' music. The beautiful flying music is reminiscent of The Blue Max.

    While the whole score is very well done, my favorite part of it is the "East German Theme." I like it so much because of the cool rhythms Jerry concocted with the 11/8 meter. The intense performance is what really sells it. It sounds so sinister that I put it right up there with Williams' Imperial March.

    Pick it up immediately! It's $22 well spent.

    [Message edited by jonathan_little on 07-08-2001]

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    posted 07-08-2001 04:35 PM PT (US)     

     Bulldog
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    Indeed, Mr. Little. Indeed.

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    posted 07-08-2001 07:07 PM PT (US)     

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    I just received Lifeforce from Footlight Records Tuesday. They have it listed in their sale section. Right now it is still listed. If you haven't got this score I recommend you get it. I thought Kunzel did a good job with the theme but the original performance blows it away.

    [Message edited by Mark Olivarez on 11-15-2001]

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    posted 11-15-2001 04:37 PM PT (US)     

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    there is a super-cool japanese bootleg of Lifeforce (how do I know its from japan? the poster art is japanese, text and all)

    Perfect sound, more music. A great cd!

    and loads of naked pics on the inserts. its embarrassing!

    BobaMike

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    posted 11-15-2001 05:10 PM PT (US)     

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    The guy who came up with the artwork must be one sick pup!

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    posted 11-15-2001 05:36 PM PT (US)     

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    yeah! Hmmmm....a horny male score collector came up with all that art....wonder who it could be!

    Thank God I just ordered a cdr burner last night, and will be getting a printer soon, so I can get back in the game and snag one of these puppies!

    Mancini Rules!!!! hehe

    NP: Entrapment(Young) This is what 'The World is Not Enough' should have been....I'd die a happy man if Chris scored a Bond film.

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    posted 11-15-2001 05:42 PM PT (US)     
     

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