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John C Winfrey Oscar® Winner	Yes and no. John.
posted 08-16-2001 04:59 PM PT (US)

wistiti Oscar® Winner	Oh yeah? Well you're a [censored by the poster of this message]!
posted 08-16-2001 05:15 PM PT (US)

John C Winfrey Oscar® Winner	Wistiti, goshdarnit, say it to my face!!!! Hang in there. John.
posted 08-17-2001 06:15 PM PT (US)

John C Winfrey Oscar® Winner	Well maybe, maybe not. Coulda, woulda, shoulda. Well, er, OK, whatever. I like film music. Take care, John.
posted 08-18-2001 05:23 AM PT (US)

John C Winfrey Oscar® Winner	This is a serious response now and directed to Joan and a few others: A reasoned, logical discussion of facts is fine and highly encouraged. You generally will not convince those on each extreme, but some in the middle might think about it some. Name calling is immature and keeps people from listening to what the other is said because ego, pride and self-defense set in and they quit listening. Arrogance and highminded attitudes turn people off too and they shut down and reject what the other side is saying. If said with tact and the right attitude a lot can be accomplished in some cases. Civility is a good thing. We can say anthing we want if its said the right way. Take care, John.
posted 08-18-2001 03:02 PM PT (US)

PeterK FishChip	John, if you don't mind, I'd like to copy and paste this last post of yours to anyone who comes along and asks why a thread gets closed. Your answer is so succinct, so eloquent. This is exactly the modus operandi of this particular board admin. No matter how arbitrary individual thread closures may seem to be to certain people, if the above context is applied, it makes consistent and perfect sense every time. Thanks again, John. Best thing I've read all day.
posted 08-18-2001 03:26 PM PT (US)

Ken S Oscar® Winner	BRAVO, JOHN !!! I totally agree with your saying "We can say anything we want if its said the right way." Civility is Gold. Warm Regards, KEN
posted 08-18-2001 03:31 PM PT (US)

joan hue Oscar® Winner	Well said, John. I must say that there is a bit of irony in your first statement when you say that your serious response is, “directed at Joan and a few others.” Taking that literally would mean that your points on saying things with civility and avoiding name calling are lessons I need to learn. I don’t think you meant me..I think, maybe, ah, err...hopefully not,.. Anyway, you are correct about how we disagree with people. It is quite possible to completely take the opposite side on an issue with others and not offend.
posted 08-18-2001 05:11 PM PT (US)

Lou Goldberg Oscar® Winner	Freedom of speech is Gold. Saying anything even the downright nasty is Gold. Civility is nice, but when it becomes law, we enter the Gulag.
posted 08-18-2001 08:15 PM PT (US)

otten Oscar® Winner	With freedom comes responsibility. Just because you have the right to say anything doesn't mean that you should. Everybody screams about their rights, but rarely do they remember their responsibility. I have read some great things on this board. I have also read some really ignorant things. Lets hope the ignorant things are on the decline.
posted 08-18-2001 09:02 PM PT (US)

Lou Goldberg Oscar® Winner	I disagree otten, freedom that insists on responsibility isn't real freedom. I haven't shot anybody so there's no need for the cops, until then anything goes.
posted 08-18-2001 09:46 PM PT (US)

scoreguy16 Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Lou Goldberg: I disagree otten, freedom that insists on responsibility isn't real freedom. I haven't shot anybody so there's no need for the cops, until then anything goes. That's like saying someone is holding a knife to someone elses throat and since no one has been stabbed yet, there's no need for authority. However, there have been stabbings on this board. Not physical, but mental, emotional, whatever you would like to call it, and Lou, I think you're one of the ones with a knife. Clayton
posted 08-18-2001 10:08 PM PT (US)

otten Oscar® Winner	Actually, you are right, it is not true freedom. It is realistic freedom. True freedom is called chaos. People ignoring or flat out denying their responsibility for their actions can not occur in a successful society. This idea can be applied to these message boards. Just like in any society, certain rules have been created here, and it is expected that those rules will be followed. It is your responsibility to follow these rules. Or try to have them changed. However, I think most of us would appreciate it very much that if you decided to try and have the rules changed that you do it outside of the normal channels of the board. I don't think that is too much to ask. I imagine you disagree, which is fine. But as long as Peter is the moderator, you will have to live with these rules. For the majority of us, these rules pose no problem. If they continue to pose a problem for you, I suggest that you find another board on which to have discussions. That is certainly your freedom. BTW, Peter, I have noticed on other message boards that many times off-topic sections have been created and I believe that tends to alleviate some of the problems. I didn't know if you had considered that. Many times, off-topic threads in the main sections of the board can be moved into the off-topic section of the board and there people can beat each other over the head until they are blue in the face. Just a suggestion.
posted 08-18-2001 10:17 PM PT (US)

PeterK FishChip	Hey otten, glad to see you still around. Member #15! I like your suggestion, but haven't come up with anything when thinking of a name for this forum. Something banal like "The Junkyard"? Eh... And Clayton, excellent analogy. I'm impressed!
posted 08-18-2001 11:48 PM PT (US)

Lou Goldberg Oscar® Winner	I agree with otten that there should be a section for off-topic posts. I'm tired of working through the system and it's rules. While I happen to like a good dose of chaos and anarchy, even I see the reason to have some rules. But if this board is a microcosm of the way people think in the outside world as well, we have way too many rules for my tastes and I have no recourse but to continue my own revolution. I have left to post elsewhere, but I also like to post here despite the overwhelming idiocy of the other people at this site. And as for our biased moderator who agrees with Clayton's metaphor of the invisible knife, you're both silly to think I've hurt anything but your prejudices.
posted 08-19-2001 12:41 AM PT (US)

DANIEL2 unregistered	Yes, you're quite right, Lou. Clayton's 'knife' analogy is quite simply pathetic.....and Peter will agree with anyone who's lickin' his ass. All I can say is, if Clayton is so incredibly hypersensitive at an impersonal message board such as this, God knows how he copes with life in the real world...... However, Lou, I believe off-topic discussion should remain within the general forum. Indeed, I also think the 'Just Movies' and 'Classical Movies' sections should be dispensed with, allowing all discussion to take place under one roof. I say this because I am of the opinion that much discussion at these satellite forums is currently being overlooked. If an additional off-topic forum was implemented, I believe it would be largely overlooked also, thus its purpose would remain largely unfulfilled and would probably result in off-topic discussion continuing in the general forum anyway. And, let's face it, the discussion of non-film music and movies is inevitable, and wholly relevant, at a movie music discussion forum. Oh yea, did you see this? - Joan Hue said - "I must say that there is a bit of irony in your first statement when you say that your serious response is, "directed at Joan and a few others." Taking that literally would mean that your points on saying things with civility and avoiding name calling are lessons I need to learn. I don't think you meant me..I think, maybe, ah, err...hopefully not,.. " I think I'm gonna puke......
posted 08-19-2001 10:05 AM PT (US)

joan hue Oscar® Winner	D2 "I think I'm gonna puke.." (Typed in my sweetest, most civil voice ) Glad I could oblige you, D2. It was my good deed for the day. [Message edited by joan hue on 08-19-2001]
posted 08-19-2001 12:26 PM PT (US)

scoreguy16 Oscar® Winner	See Daniel2, I got you all figured out. If someone doesn't agree with you, they're automaticly bad people. Yet, we're the prejudice ones. And another thing, you don't know anything about me Daniel2, so you keep your mouth shut about me. Clayton
posted 08-19-2001 12:37 PM PT (US)

André Lux Oscar® Winner	Whatever you say, SocoreGuy16. But remember: Hanzimmer sucks. Thanks.
posted 08-19-2001 04:48 PM PT (US)

Lou Goldberg Oscar® Winner	Yes D2, I agree. I proposed an off-topic section just so that we could have some off-topic posts which is better thanit is now. But ultimately, dividing the topics into seperate sections is silly. One section, all topics: what movies you've seen, classical music, trailer music, film scores, football, politics, culture, etc. It's all inter-related anyhow to just tralk about only film music when we are individuals with vast backgrounds is absurb (as is every stupid provision on this dumb board). Once again D2, you are the man. I wonder what it would cost you, me, Lux, Zaius and some others to actually start a board of our own: no records for sale, no moderator for the boards, etc? Is it that expensive?
posted 08-19-2001 09:23 PM PT (US)

PeterK FishChip	Lou, you and the crew can find heaven here: http://create.boardhost.com/ Good luck!
posted 08-19-2001 09:37 PM PT (US)

Chris Kinsinger Oscar® Winner	"Out of respect for your wish for me to leave the board I will cease posting here immediately. Therefore this will be my final entry at your message board." I didn't believe it when I first read it. It's a song sung many times by an idiot, full of sound and fury...meaningless.
posted 08-19-2001 09:45 PM PT (US)

JJH Oscar® Winner	I agree with Chris. this guy will come back again. and with even longer posts! beware! NP -- Artificial Intelligence, Williams
posted 08-19-2001 10:06 PM PT (US)

André Lux Oscar® Winner	Yeah, I agree with JJH and Kinsinger. Lets hope! A funny anarchist like Daniel2 is always welcome in any board! [Message edited by André Lux on 08-20-2001]
posted 08-20-2001 09:28 AM PT (US)

André Lux Oscar® Winner	quote: By Lou Goldberg: I wonder what it would cost you, me, Lux, Zaius and some others to actually start a board of our own: no records for sale, no moderator for the boards, etc? That would be great, but I am afraid just a few people would join us. We must remember that the majority of the world's population is very insecure and imature and that they really NEED someone to show them how to behave, how to speak, what to read, etc... Lets not fool ourselves here. [Message edited by André Lux on 08-20-2001]
posted 08-20-2001 09:30 AM PT (US)

Lancelot Oscar® Winner	HA!
posted 08-20-2001 11:01 AM PT (US)

André Lux Oscar® Winner	See?
posted 08-20-2001 12:56 PM PT (US)

scoreguy16 Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by André Lux: <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1> By Lou Goldberg: I wonder what it would cost you, me, Lux, Zaius and some others to actually start a board of our own: no records for sale, no moderator for the boards, etc?<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE> That would be great, but I am afraid just a few people would join us. We must remember that the majority of the world's population is very insecure and imature and that they really NEED someone to show them how to behave, how to speak, what to read, etc... Lets not fool ourselves here. [Message edited by André Lux on 08-20-2001] That includes you Andre. Clayton
posted 08-20-2001 01:09 PM PT (US)

André Lux Oscar® Winner	No. I am sorry... But I am glad you was able to include yourself on it. How naive...
posted 08-20-2001 01:17 PM PT (US)

John C Winfrey Oscar® Winner	Joan, the reason I mentioned your name is because you were instrumental as one of the main folks who held FSM together back there in the old days. You were the "Peacemaker" and I figured you would get the gist of my comments. No, they weren't directed at you but just to get your attention. You think along those lines too. I feel you ask some of the better questions on the boards and you and I are close in age, both fellow teachers and so on. Get the idea? John.
posted 08-21-2001 10:27 PM PT (US)

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