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Topic: ya know....FSM has released Morituri

JJH

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usually someone's all over these new FSM discs, espcially Goldsmith discs.guess it's my turn.
anyone heard the bootleg and can coment on the full score?
I've only got the main title.posted 08-21-2001 07:43 PM PT (US) 
John C Winfrey

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I figured this one would be coming sooner or later. 20th Century and they are churning them out now. John.
posted 08-21-2001 09:59 PM PT (US) 
John C Winfrey

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All in all, its not bad. It has some good action music similar to a lot of mid-'60s type stuff. Guitar and sound effects like in Von Ryan and some other scores. As Lukas said on the other board, similar to a lot of his TV stuff back then too, Man From Uncle,etc in that style. Some good variations of the theme in the score. John.
posted 08-21-2001 10:01 PM PT (US) 
Graham Watt

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Yeah, I've got the boot, which AGAIN will prevent me from getting FSM's beautiful new release (priorities and all that. Damn those boots).SO, well I find it quite a heavy work, powerful, dark, but with plenty of good bursts of action, as John mentions. There's a plodding amplified bass or guitar in there too, similar, if I remember rightly, to a recurring motif in The Satan Bug. Also chopping Stravinsky-like strings and Cassandra Crossing-type harpsichord. The zither presence might be the least attractive aspect for some people.
It would be ironic if you could get into trouble for quoting from boots' liner notes. I'll do it anyway, it might help give a better idea of the score than I have done:
"Few of this composer's other scores have such a mournful and wrathful timbre. The main theme, it is true, is closely linked to Kurt Weill's characteristic melodic style, but the core of the score is in the main devoted to the free tonal style of the Bartok school. The formal coherence and the inventive instrumentation attain a level which is quite considerable." Alexander Van Koeben (sic).
Couldn't have said it better myself, Alex. I should add that the "shape" of the score is a bit hard to get to grips with, and it doesn't really seem to come together, but this might be because of the sequencing or something. It's also ugly to look at, and that might even influence my perception of the whole.
FSM will do it a million times better. I say "buy it". (Can I have my commission now, Lukas?)
Afterthought: I think excerpts from Morituri found their way into The Last Hard Men (Charlton Heston/ James Coburn western, 1976).
posted 08-22-2001 08:13 AM PT (US) 
Ron Pulliam

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Well, "Morituri" is also sharing space with David Shire's "Raid at Entebbe."Too bad you'd allow a boot to interfere with obtaining a legitimate release of not one but TWO great scores in the best possible sound.
But, that's what you have to live with....
posted 08-22-2001 03:15 PM PT (US) 
Graham Watt

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As you say, Ron, it's just too bad, but having the boot will really prevent me from getting the official release (and, I know, I'll be missing out on David Shire too because of this), at least for the time being.How do others feel about this? I imagine our "must have" lists are unwieldy and we're all on some kind of budget. What's a person to do?
posted 08-24-2001 08:38 AM PT (US) 
JJH

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in truth, I must admit I want the Alfred Newman score, The Best of Everything, more than this Goldsmith score.
I want ALL of those recent Newmans FSM has put out, even The Egyptian, which may be a tad redundant since I have the Morgan/ Stromberg edition.but I'll get it eventually.
posted 08-24-2001 11:11 AM PT (US) 
rfeigels

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quote:
Originally posted by Graham Watt:
As you say, Ron, it's just too bad, but having the boot will really prevent me from getting the official release (and, I know, I'll be missing out on David Shire too because of this), at least for the time being.How do others feel about this? I imagine our "must have" lists are unwieldy and we're all on some kind of budget. What's a person to do?
It makes me want to dump half the projects I'm currently working on for Intrada.
Roger
posted 08-24-2001 02:24 PM PT (US) 
jonathan_little
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The David Shire stuff on that disc sounds pretty neato.
posted 08-24-2001 08:24 PM PT (US) 
El Cid
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quote:
Originally posted by Graham Watt:
As you say, Ron, it's just too bad, but having the boot will really prevent me from getting the official release (and, I know, I'll be missing out on David Shire too because of this), at least for the time being.How do others feel about this? I imagine our "must have" lists are unwieldy and we're all on some kind of budget. What's a person to do?
If I care enough about something to bother with a boot (few scores merit such effort), then I care enough to buy the release.
My "must have" list is pretty small. My "would like to listen to once" list is huge, however...MP3s help with that.
posted 08-24-2001 09:34 PM PT (US) 
Graham Watt

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Roger, don't do that!But, for me at least, the reality is the following:
Imagine you like all Goldsmith western scores equally (for example). You've got a boot (or more to the point, the legit re-recording) of Rio Conchos. FSM releases the original Rio Conchos. Prometheus releases Rio Lobo. Your budget allows you ONE of these. Which do you get?
posted 08-25-2001 08:51 AM PT (US) 
rfeigels

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quote:
Originally posted by Graham Watt:
Roger, don't do that!But, for me at least, the reality is the following:
Imagine you like all Goldsmith western scores equally (for example). You've got a boot (or more to the point, the legit re-recording) of Rio Conchos. FSM releases the original Rio Conchos. Prometheus releases Rio Lobo. Your budget allows you ONE of these. Which do you get?
Well, to start, I wouldn't have put money into a bootlegger's pocket if I knew it would preclude me from purchasing a legitimate release when one came out. You've helped out a bootleger and hurt FSM. There's no way around that.
If you didn't have the bootleg and were choosing between MORITURI and RIO LOBO but could only chose one, that's an entirely different matter. And one that is understandable.
Roger
posted 08-25-2001 01:43 PM PT (US) 
TimT

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Roger,
May I ask what upcoming projects are you working on for Intrada?
np- Shadow of the Wolf (Maurice Jarre)posted 08-25-2001 02:43 PM PT (US) 
Ron Pulliam

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I don't think Roger will spill any beans about projects in progress...there is always the chance something will drop at the last minute and then everyone will be disappointed.Still, Roger...you gotta know that some of these folks are students and don't always have a steady flow of income. I can appreciate that, having been a collector for 38 years.
I have boots in my collection, many of which I thought would never see a legit release in my lifetime -- and I was wrong. And boy am I glad, because I have bought every one of them, too, and the boots are only good for coasters, except one or two which feature alternate takes -- or in the case of one film -- the complete finale, including chorus, not on the legit release.
I read about folks wanting things but having to wait, and that's okay. Just don't wait too long.
The FSM stuff has been spectacular -- "The Egyptian" is not redundant in ANY WAY to the Morgan/Stromberg issue, which is very fine in and of itself. But there's nothing better than the 20th Century-Fox Orchestra and chorus conducted by Alfred Newman -- no comparisons of any sort are applicable.
The Friedhofer "Between Heaven and Hell", with tracks featured from "Soldier of Fortune" is PHENOMENAL.
And "The Best of Everything" in stereo is going to be SENSATIONAL.
Roger, DON'T DROP ANY PROJECTS!
posted 08-25-2001 05:42 PM PT (US) 
Graham Watt

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Roger, I AM GUILTY OF HAVING BOUGHT BOOTLEGS! But I haven't done it for years, and I'll never do it again, I PROMISE!
posted 08-26-2001 12:57 PM PT (US) 
soundtrackman

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Roger (and everyone else);
This is a thorny problem - bootlegs. For example - I've loved "The Illustrated Man" every since I first heard it in 1969. To get it, I recorded the audio off the VHS tape, Rod Steiger's over-the-top dialogue and all. Then, a few years ago, along comes a bootleg. In 25 years there was never a legit release, nobody ever indicated their intention to issue one, so, with great joy and excitement, you bet I bought the boot. Now, would you suggest that I should have ignored the bootleg, ignored the opportunity to get at least a halfway decent version of the music I wanted so much? In fact, at this point, years after the boot's release, there is still no legitimate release, or even one pending (as far as I know). I'd buy it if it came out, but I see no indication that's going to happen.As for MORITURI, who knew three or four years ago that FSM would be able to get their hands on stereo masters? I truly try to support you, and Lukas. and Craig Spaulding, and Prometheus and all the other specialty producers working so hard to get ligitimate releases out to collectors like me. I have bought and will continue to buy your releases, INCLUDING things I previously had on boots. But it's impossible to see the future, and I guess I tend to go with "A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush." Really, is that so wrong?
Mark T.
posted 08-27-2001 09:51 AM PT (US) 
OHMSS76

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I agree with what Mark said above(Hi Mark! How are you these days?) and continue to buy anything that comes out legit if it's been booted. I think that the real die hards eventually get around to picking up things like Morituri if they have the boot. It's just a matter of when. Since this is a ltd. ed. it's bound to disappear as it is sooner or later, so it would be foolish not to get one right? These FSM releases are going to be akin to the mythical,impossible to get(at least the real deal) Varese Club of the early 90's you know.I totally support FSM, and it was a risky move on their part to do this one, since most of the people who really love this score would have it already. But to say you will not buy this ever because you have the boot is ridiculous.
NP:La Strada(Rota)
Sean
posted 08-27-2001 10:59 AM PT (US) 
TV's Frank

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I wish that on their website, FSM would list how many copies remain of each limited release. That way, when I'm short on money, I can tell whether or not I can wait a bit on purchasing some of the sought-after titles. Plus, I'm curious to know how each release is performing from a sales standpoint.
posted 08-27-2001 11:15 AM PT (US) 
JJH

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thing about that though is that not only reflects individual purchases and their Club members, but is not really accurate as to how many are actually out there.FSM may eventually sell out of something, but it may still be had through Supercollector, here, or Intrada.
I believe Lukas has told the rec.music.movies newsgroup that they are pretty close to selling out the Paper Chase/Conrack/Poseidon Adventure CD. but that was awhile back.
When I get an income of any kind, I will buy all their Alfred Newman releases.
posted 08-27-2001 03:15 PM PT (US) Old Infopop Software by UBB
