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    Topic:   Remaking REBECCA

     Ken S
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    I just enjoyed Hitchcock's REBECCA (1940) for the tenththousandth time - and I found myself wondering why haven't anyone in Hollywood thought about remaking the film; although this Oscar-winner is one of the most enjoyable Hitchcock movies of all time, I still would love to see it as a more dramatic, more horrific, big-screen version... And, not that I would be subjective or anything, but I would love a REBECCA remake using flashbacks while the story unfolds and starring JENNIFER CONNELLY as the raven-haired Rebecca. Connelly would be incredible in this kind of role - as a drop-dead gorgeous, elegant, but sex-hungry psycho manipulating all people around her...

    Now, that I've begun teasing my mind with this remake thought, I would love to know whom you would like to cast in the leading roles - Laurence Olivier's role as Max De Winter is quite a challenge for anyone of the nowadays hottest actors (- maybe RUSSELL CROWE, perhaps ??-) and not to mention the touching performance by Joan Fontaine as the naive heroine (- if Jen Connelly would play Rebecca, I would love to see DREW BARRYMORE as the second Mrs. De Winter; I'm serious !!)

    And then there are the terrific supporting actors George Sanders (as Revell) and Judith Anderson (as Mrs. Danvers) - I'm just wondering are there nowadays anymore such splendid character actors as they were in REBECCA ??

    I could see the remake of REBECCA going far more deeper into psychological horror, and I wouldn't even mind if the remake would include couple of true shockers with ghost-like visions as in WHAT LIES BENEATH (...let's face it - it's fun to play with corpses popping around, especially drowned-ones ). So, who could be the most perfect director to handle shocks and psychological horror and yet being capable of keeping the romance and dramatics intact of the splendid original story ?

    And, naturally - WHO WOULD BE THE COMPOSER ? Franz Waxman did terrific job with the original 1940 score of REBECCA; if the remake would go much more deeper into the supernatural and psychological horror, then who could provide a most lush, romantic, yet haunting and shocking score for a remake which would certainly need a lot of music to create an uneasy and creepy atmosphere ? (My choice would be either ALAN SILVESTRI or PATRICK DOYLE... Even DON DAVIS could do the job).

    I'm aware that somebody did a two-part television movie adaptation of REBECCA, but I can't remember the actors (- and I didn't even see the second part). A pity - because seeing the Hitchcock classic again made me once again to fall under the spell of REBECCA...

    KEN

    ...little bits here and there...

    [Message edited by Ken S on 02-23-2002]

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    posted 02-23-2002 11:32 AM PT (US)     

     Brad Wills
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    Bleccccch!

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    posted 02-23-2002 12:33 PM PT (US)     

     James
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    I haven't seen it, Ken, but I'll rent it just to take part in this discussion. And because it's worth seeing on its own merits, I'm sure.

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    posted 02-23-2002 12:36 PM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    North by Northwest

    Keanu Reeves - Roger O. Thornhill
    Britney Spears - Eve Kendall
    Arnold Schwarzenegger - Phillip Vandamm

    Music by Hans Zimmer
    Directed by Michael Bay

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    posted 02-23-2002 12:53 PM PT (US)     

     Ken S
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    James,
    Hitchcock's REBECCA is really worth of seeing. In my opinion it is better than SPELLBOUND - and SPELLBOUND isn't a bad movie.

    And Marian, may I borrow the often-used phrase
    - L O L !!!

    KEN

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    posted 02-23-2002 01:09 PM PT (US)     

     Graham Watt
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    I think you're in hot water there, Ken! No matter how I try, I can't help but imagine ANY remake of REBECCA to be just downright awful, irrespective of the hypothetical talents involved. Now, maybe if it were a "re-imagining" with Tim Burton at the helm...Nope, prepare for a turkey if ever REBECCA is remade (and I didn't think the original Hitch was that great either).

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    posted 02-23-2002 01:21 PM PT (US)     

     Peter Criss
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    Please don´t!! Another Psycho no!!
    No one can remake this! I saw this movie when I was a kid and I´m still impressed.
    Oh Lord...

    The Catman

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    posted 02-23-2002 01:50 PM PT (US)     

     Richard Street
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    According to the IMDB, it's been done four times for TV. The Maxim De Winters were:

    1947: Michael Hordern
    1962: James Mason
    1978: Jeremy Brett
    1997: Charles Dance


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    posted 02-23-2002 02:14 PM PT (US)     

     James
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    We seem to be cooking up another argument that I always love getting involved in.

    REBECCA is based on a novel. It existed before Hitchcock made his film. Therefore, it would be ideal that any new film version of REBECCA that was made would not be "remake" of Hitchcock's film because it would have gone back to the original novel.

    We should be talking about another adaptation of Daphne Du Maurier, not another adaptation of Alfred Hitchcock.

    There are exceptions to this, of course. Tim Burton's PLANET OF THE APES is most definitely a remake of the first film version, and not another adaptation of Pierre Boulle's novel. Van Sant's PSYCHO, as well.

    There is nothing wrong with one director/writer giving his own interpretation of material that another director/writer already tried previously (remake or otherwise) as long as the new version is unique enough to separate itself from the previous adaptations. That's the one big reason Van Sant's PSYCHO was a failure, and one of the many little reasons for the lackluster performance of Burton's PLANET OF THE APES.

    Kirk

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    posted 02-23-2002 03:08 PM PT (US)     

     Ken S
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    When talking about this 1940 version of REBECCA, it should be remembered that Hitchcock's own screenplay of it was replaced by a more literal version of the novel - makes just wonder, what kind of (better) movie could it have been if Hitchcock would have made his "honest" version of the novel.

    Richard S, thank you for the information - I didn't knew REBECCA has been filmed so many times..!!

    KEN

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    posted 02-23-2002 04:46 PM PT (US)     

     Ken S
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    Oh, and Kirk,
    thank you for making it more clearer - my point exactly; not another remake, but a new adaptation (although the inspiration came from Hitchcock's atmospheric movie).

    KEN

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    posted 02-23-2002 04:52 PM PT (US)     

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    Yes, this movie is a classic, but I wouldn’t mind seeing a new adaptation
    of it. Certainly today’s relaxed standards would allow for more exploration
    of certain ideas and themes. AMC showed a wonderful documentary about
    homosexuality in Hollywood film and how hidden it was for many years.
    Only “hints” and very subtle implications. The documentary talked about
    Mrs. Danvers lesbian fascination with Rebecca. Cheez, that was practically
    buried in the movie. (Documentary was well-scored by Burwell.)

    I must admit that I can’t watch Joan Fontaine’s sniveling, groveling, hand-
    twisting, extremely shy, consistently bullied portrayal of the second Mrs.
    De Winter. Do it with Sigorney Weaver mimicking Ripley.

    When Maxim asks for a spot of tea, have a heroine that tells him to,
    “Get it yourself, you piggish pile of @#$%%&*! I ain’t groveling
    no more, you sack of arrogant slime!!!”
    Then I hope she storms out and
    slugs Mrs. Danvers several times and tells her to go swab the latrines!

    Doyle would do a great job.

    NP Sense and Sensibility...the score for refined ladies.

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    posted 02-23-2002 06:16 PM PT (US)     

     Ken S
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    Joan,
    DREW BARRYMORE could do just that - have you seen EVER AFTER ?

    Thanks for a hearty morning laugh

    KEN

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    posted 02-23-2002 09:34 PM PT (US)     

     JJH
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    the score has been re-recorded by Varese.

    I hope it's due out sometime soon. Good stuff!


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    posted 02-24-2002 12:55 AM PT (US)     

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    Ken, you've fallen into the trap that plagues Hollywood producers: getting the "brilliant" idea to remake a film that doesn't need remaking.

    The film's not perfect, despite its Best Picture Oscar, but it's still a thousand times better than anything that could be made today, particularly because it's a romance -- and a Gothic one, at that. Today's filmmakers haven't the slightest idea how to do a romance, chiefly because they have an unfettered opportunity to lace it with sex. The problem is, "romance" and "sex" are not interchangeable terms or concepts, and presence of the latter almost invariably cheapens, guts, and invalidates the former.

    The history of Hollywood is littered with the wreckage of good stories and novels that wound up as bad or mediocre movies, and that are just crying to be re-made. I can think of dozens of examples.

    A few years ago, Tom Cruise and director Mike Nichols ("The Graduate," "Carnal Knowledge," "Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolff?") had the bright idea of remaking the play "Washington Square," filmed by master director William Wyler in 1949 as THE HEIRESS, which would have starred Cruise in the part originally played by Montgomery Clift. They arranged a screening of the Wyler version at Paramount Studios in order to study it.

    When the lights came up afterward, Cruise and Nichols exchanged glances, with each man saying, in effect, "This is pointless. We not only can't top Wyler's version, we can't even equal it." Needless to say, they dropped the idea like a Plutonium brick. (A couple of years later, a new version of the film was made -- as WASHINGTON SQUARE --starring Jennifer Jason Leigh in the part that brought Olivia deHavilland a Best Actress Oscar. It's since been forgotten and proved once again that re-making that which doesn't need to be re-made is a waste of the studio's money and audiences' time.)

    [Message edited by perfpitch on 02-24-2002]

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    posted 02-24-2002 02:08 AM PT (US)     

     Ken S
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    You're absolutely right, perfpitch
    - and the surprise is that I don't usually like the idea of remakes either,
    but this Jen Connelly as Rebecca thingy was just such "Eureka" experience for me, that I totally admit falling into the trap

    We seem to have a fascinatingly similar idea about romance, perfpitch, and also about Hitchcock's REBECCA's wonderful Gothic quality. But still the story of REBECCA suggests so much more - about deep, dark basics in human nature - that the idea about an even better screen version simply tickles me. As I am basically a person who always WANTS TO KNOW MORE, I would certainly love a film version which gives a more thorough analysis on Rebecca herself. (I have been writing a brick novel about quite similar character as Rebecca appeared to be, so I'm definitely fascinated with such "psycho" personalities... )

    KEN

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    posted 02-24-2002 09:38 AM PT (US)     

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    Jennifer Connelly is the best actress EVER to grace the silver screen.


    even with things like Labyrinth to her credit.

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    posted 02-24-2002 11:48 AM PT (US)     

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    I REALLY like the way she LOOKS, too, but "the best actress who ever lived?" COME ON.

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    posted 02-24-2002 12:19 PM PT (US)     

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    I know I have seen Mrs. Danvers somewhere else already...oh, that's right.
    Lillith!

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    posted 02-24-2002 01:26 PM PT (US)     

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    Howard, please tell me, are you a FRASIER fan as I am ?

    Philipp

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    posted 02-24-2002 01:29 PM PT (US)     

     Howard L
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    You better believe it! And here in Florida they show back-to-back reruns weeknights 10:00-11:00pm, which means Tuesdays you can catch 3 episodes.

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    posted 02-25-2002 03:38 PM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    Well, I've just seen it for the first time myself. Wow!

    First, I should say that I always forget this: I actually don't believe there's anything wrong with remakes. I always think there is, because most remakes suck. But just as "re-"recordings of classical (and film) music are a good thing, so should remakes be. Theoretically at least. Plus, as Kirk pointed out, Hitchcock's movie was a "remake" of a book, anyway.

    I've never seen another version, or read the book, so all I know is the Hitchcock movie. Anyway, I think Conelly should be perfect for those flashback sequences - but I think the movie works so well because you never see the first Mrs. de Winter, so I don't think those sequences are a good idea.

    Casting would be a tough job though. Maxim must be played by an actor that could suddenly become a terrible villain, but at the same time he must remain believable as the good guy. As for Joan Fontaine's character: I can't think of many young actresses that look shy and simple and yet beautiful at the same time - most of them get cast in ultra-cool roles usually.

    As Mrs. Danvers, Anjelica Huston would be perfect, IMHO. And as Rebecca's lover (forgot his name), I'd pick John De Lancie.

    Regarding the score: Not an easy choice, either. Waxman's score was very good, but in a couple of the lighter scenes, I found it superflous and annoying. The rest was excellent of course. Still, a modern remake should get a nearly Goldenthal-ish sound in the later scenes - but the beginning should be completely different.

    Oh, and I thought Hitchcock made the finale (before the palace is burning) longer. It's highly dramatic, but way too brief.

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    posted 02-25-2002 06:10 PM PT (US)     

     Ken S
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    Thanks, Marian - Anjelica Huston would really be a very good choice for Mrs. Danvers; she would even be the perfect choice for the role if Jen Connelly was to play Rebecca.

    ***SPOILER WARNING***

    The burning of Manderley is really way too brief. The major thing that bugged me in the movie was that such obvious dramatic moments as Mrs. Danvers starting the fire, trying to kill the second Lady De Winter, and the reappearance of Rebecca's boat - as well the confession scene - were not included as proper "scenes of action", but merely as theatrical discussions (= someone telling to someone else what happened). Ofcourse it takes a good actor to make such great "monologues" as Olivier did, and a great director as Hitchcock to shoot such a monologue as if the sequence would be filled with action - but still I say, that the result would be much more shocking and powerful if the film adaptation would actually show us almost everything, from Rebecca's toilings to her death. (Well, I have always had a desire to shock an audience when such a procedure is justified to tell a story in more dramatic ways).

    KEN

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    posted 02-26-2002 02:57 AM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    But not showing something can be very powerful. Think of the original The Haunting - though I admittedly never saw the remake.

    I forgot to mention that I have thought about a possible actress for the female lead: Gwyneth Paltrow.

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    posted 02-26-2002 07:51 AM PT (US)     
     

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