Composer Howard Shore has returned with his Academy Award winning score and recorded 50 minutes of new music with the London Philharmonic for the special extended edition set!

Now they haven't got everything in the article right (Galadriel's gifts as the Elves are leaving Rivendell?), but that doesn't mean everything has to be completely wrong.

It would mean though that Shore didn't just write new music for the additional 30 minutes, but also replaced large bits of the score from the theatrical version. Or perhaps he just had to re-record the entire extended cues and therefore it's 50 minutes. Or the 30 minutes consist of many short cuts spliced into longer sequences and Shore had to re-score those sequences completely.

If the gods are graceful, we might be get an expanded release of the score that includes more material from the theatrical cut as well as the new material. Of course, that won't happen.

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Originally posted by metaphor123:
Well, there is 1/2 hour of new footage, and 19 minutes of new credits, so that would come close to the 50 minutes.

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D'oh...true!

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However, that is assuming wall-to-wall music in the new scenes, which I strongly doubt would be the case.

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Yeah, but still lots of music I suppose. Though much of the new scenes is character development, which might require less score. And there's the Hobbit song in the Green Dragon Inn, which I think wasn't written by Shore.

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If the gods are graceful, we might be get an expanded release of the score that includes more material from the theatrical cut as well as the new material. Of course, that won't happen.

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Shore said he really wants do an expanded version. He just doesn't want to rush it. And as long as waiting longer means that we'll get more music, or at least a better representation in the end, I'm all for waiting.

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I haven't scene the Star Wars film

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You should!

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'Willow' had many transition scenes (someone is constantly walking somewhere in this film) and James Horner's score fit the mood perfectly.

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Except when he quotes Schumann.

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Originally posted by Marian Schedenig:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by metaphor123:
[b]Well, there is 1/2 hour of new footage, and 19 minutes of new credits, so that would come close to the 50 minutes.<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

D'oh...true!

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>However, that is assuming wall-to-wall music in the new scenes, which I strongly doubt would be the case.<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, but still lots of music I suppose. Though much of the new scenes is character development, which might require less score. And there's the Hobbit song in the Green Dragon Inn, which I think wasn't written by Shore.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>If the gods are graceful, we might be get an expanded release of the score that includes more material from the theatrical cut as well as the new material. Of course, that won't happen.<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

Shore said he really wants do an expanded version. He just doesn't want to rush it. And as long as waiting longer means that we'll get more music, or at least a better representation in the end, I'm all for waiting.

Maybe I'm too cynical, but Shore can think whatever he wants, but if the record company doesn't want to do it, it won't be done. Yes, it helps that Shore wants to, but in the end its up to Reprise.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>I haven't scene the Star Wars film<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

You should!

First off, I can't believe I wrote 'scene' instead of 'seen.' I blame it on the fact that it was 9.30am.

Second, I've seen about 1 hour of 'Star Wars' and it was so boring I turned it off. I also caught the first ten minutes of Episode I on pay-tv and couldn't turn THAT off fast enough. As far as I'm concerned, only one good thing came out of those films: John William's superlative score.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>'Willow' had many transition scenes (someone is constantly walking somewhere in this film) and James Horner's score fit the mood perfectly.<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

Except when he quotes Schumann.

BTW, AICN reports that the transfer on the FOTR DVDs is considerably better than that of the Academy Screener. Which is amazing, because I was already really impressed by that one.[/B]

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Originally posted by metaphor123:
It was shot messily and edited schizophrenically. I'm not a fan of straight action films, but once you've seen The Matrix, you are spoiled for action sequences. Do directors really think that multiple extreme close-ups of shots 10-12 frames of *something* moving gives the audience a sense of pace and action? Sigh.

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Originally posted by metaphor123:
Maybe I'm too cynical, but Shore can think whatever he wants, but if the record company doesn't want to do it, it won't be done. Yes, it helps that Shore wants to, but in the end its up to Reprise.

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Originally posted by metaphor123:

When I first saw LOTR at the cinemas, I was impressed by most of it except the directing of the action sequences. This continues to be a big gripe with me. It was shot messily and edited schizophrenically. I'm not a fan of straight action films, but once you've seen The Matrix, you are spoiled for action sequences. Do directors really think that multiple extreme close-ups of shots 10-12 frames of *something* moving gives the audience a sense of pace and action? Sigh.

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When I first saw LOTR at the cinemas, I was impressed by most of it except the directing of the action sequences. This continues to be a big gripe with me. It was shot messily and edited schizophrenically. I'm not a fan of straight action films, but once you've seen The Matrix, you are spoiled for action sequences. Do directors really think that multiple extreme close-ups of shots 10-12 frames of *something* moving gives the audience a sense of pace and action? Sigh.

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I found the action scenes to be extremely well done. I have had the DVD of LOTR for the past few days and have continually found nothing to scrutinize about the film. This movie gets better with age and repeat viewings.

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Originally posted by Spicy Ramen:
That is why movies like Gladiator and LOTR employ close shots, so to give the viewer a personal sense of the action in the big battle.

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The difference being that LOTR's action sequence(s) are well thought-out and extremely effective, and Gladiator's are sloppy, hackneyed, and completely devoid of any emotional or technical payoff.

As for Shore writing 50 minutes of new music for the extended cut, keep in mind that some sequences which may have had music continuing from one scene into the next may now be separated, and new transitional music may have to be recorded. and depending on the needs of a scene, he could conceivably need to rescore entire scenes because the music would have to go on from the transition.

Of course, nowadays most people would just edit the music, since current echnology can make it virtually unnoticeable. But it's an idea....

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Originally posted by Marian Schedenig:
I wonder if Shore had to do any major changes to the original score for some of these sequences.

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I feel like we're re-treading old ground yet again.

Marian, read my interview with Shore about this from MARCH.

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The difference being that LOTR's action sequence(s) are well thought-out and extremely effective, and Gladiator's are sloppy, hackneyed, and completely devoid of any emotional or technical payoff.

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Yes I agree that Gladiator's editing of the action scenes were generally sloppy (Ridley Scott is not known for crafting action sequences).

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Originally posted by Spicy Ramen:

[b] <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>When I first saw LOTR at the cinemas, I was impressed by most of it except the directing of the action sequences. This continues to be a big gripe with me. It was shot messily and edited schizophrenically. I'm not a fan of straight action films, but once you've seen The Matrix, you are spoiled for action sequences. Do directors really think that multiple extreme close-ups of shots 10-12 frames of *something* moving gives the audience a sense of pace and action? Sigh.<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

I found the action scenes to be extremely well done. I have had the DVD of LOTR for the past few days and have continually found nothing to scrutinize about the film. This movie gets better with age and repeat viewings.

In terms of the Matrix, the way they mainly shot was through wide shots (a la subway fight and the dojo) also commonly known as the Hong Kong style. That is why movies like Gladiator and LOTR employ close shots, so to give the viewer a personal sense of the action in the big battle.[/B]

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Let it be known I am no fan of that soulless, vapid perversion of a plagiarism of an epic known as 'Gladiator'.

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Originally posted by dgoldwas:
I feel like we're re-treading old ground yet again.

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Hey, there's nothing in that thread I repeated, except the info about the plans for an extended score release.

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Marian, read my interview with Shore about this from MARCH.

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Hmm, let me quote the part we're referring to:

Shore will be doing three different things:

1. Writing new music. Some scenes were never assembled, and therefore were never scored. Shore will be writing new music for those scenes.

2. Expanding current cues. Some sequences, that already have underscore, will be expanded for the special edition - and therefore the existing cues need to be reworked to fit the picture.

3. Recording previously written music. While working on the score, there were a number of scenes that Shore wrote the music for (including the gift-giving scene in Lothlorien) but because the scenes were edited out of the film before the score was recorded, the music has never been heard. (Although it was already written.) Shore will finally record these passages, and they will be integrated into the film.

I think I can still remember that from when I read your article. #1 is clear of course. But #2 doesn't clear up what I was asking above. Of course there will be changes to some of the cues, but my question was, will it be major changes - will he just change a little note here and there so he can fit the new cue into the track, or will he perhaps take out a theme at a point where we all liked it and got used to it.

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If wide shots and superbly choreographed action sequences are part of Hong Kong style, then call me a fan of that.

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Originally posted by Marian Schedenig:
Composer Howard Shore has returned with his Academy Award winning score and recorded 50 minutes of new music with the London Philharmonic for the special extended edition set!

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