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Topic: The Lord of the Ring: The Two Towers - cue by cue analysis
Camillu
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[ major spoilers of course ]This is very much a works in progress. There are some pieces I can't place, so please chip in if you can confirm or correct anything.
Those in *italics* are those I'm not sure about (or just guessing). I'm more or less sure of the others.
Since there's some disagreement about what certain themes stand for, I tried to mention different names.
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Track 1: Foundations of Stone (3:52)
It seems that this track contains the entire main titles and opening sequence.0:00 - It starts with quiet strings for the Newline logo and production credits.
0:32 - The Ring theme is heard over the LOTR main title, exactly like in FOTR.
0:50 - More sweeping string music as the camera moves over the mountain tops.
1:43 - Pounding action music as we enter Moria for the Khazad-Dum scene.
2:30 - Gandalf falls. Deep choir and more pounding orchestra accompany the fall of Gandalf and the Balrog.
3:32 - The choir reaches operatic proportions as it cuts to a long shot of the huge cavern into which they fall.
3:52 - The music ends abruptly as Frodo awakes from his 'dream'.______
Track 2: The Taming of Smeagol (2:48)
A selection of cues from the early scenes with Frodo, Sam and Gollum0:00 - Starts with the Shire/Frodo theme (the hymn) as they eat Lembas and Frodo praises Sam's spirit.
0:27 - Slow and solemn choir piece - *It's the correct length (and place) to accompany Frodo and Sam going around in circles, but was replaced with a non-choir piece in the film*
1:09 - Eerie music with Gollum's cimbalon motif as he approaches the sleeping hobbits.
1:47 - Action piece as Frodo and Sam struggle with Gollum as he tries to take the ring. This piece is much shorter than the fight in the film.
2:21 - Gollum's cimbalon theme is heard again as Frodo holds him at knife-point.
______Track 3: The Riders of Rohan (4:05)
The beginning of this track befits the title, but the rest covers Gandalf leaving Edoras, and Theoden's re-awakening.0:00 - Low rumbling segues into a stirring piece as the Rohirrim ride past and then encircle Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli.
0:55 - Noble piece and lush piece as Gandalf tells Aragorn to expect him on the 5th day, and then as he rides from Edoras.
1:42 - Eowyn's theme as Theoden first recognises Eowyn after being rid of Saruman.
2:32 - Rohan theme performed by full orchestra as Theoden stands up after recognising Gandalf.
2:53 - Long rendition of the Rohan theme performed on the hardinger as Theoden grasps his sword and holds it aloft.
3:26 - Dark piece as Wormtongue is thrown out of the Golden Hall and Theoden threatens to kill him.
3:51 - High strings as Aragorn holds him back.______
Track 4: The Passage of the Marshes (2:45)
I believe parts of this track could have written for the sequence under the water (which was unscored in the film), but the latter part may cover the arrival of the Nazgul.0:00 - Eerie, dark sequence as we see an aerial view of the dead marshes.
0:27 - Pounding music building to a climax as Frodo is pulled towards the 'lights'
1:04 - Ominous brass with hints of voices - *the arrival of the Nazgul or the eventually unscored water sequence*
1:40 - Quiet string passage
2:24 - Gollum's cimbalon motif is heard______
Track 5: The Uruk-Hai (2:58)
A selection of cues - the first half concerns the hunt for Merry and Pippin, whereas the 2nd part covers Saruman's narrative.0:00 - Statements of the Fellowship theme, later accompanied by drums, as Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli follow the Uruk-Hai.
0:28 - Full-blown rendition of the theme accompanying vast shot of them running across the countryside.
0:54 - Quiet piece as Aragorn finds Pippin's leaf-brooch, followed again by the Fellowship theme.
1:31 - A noble rendition of the Rohan theme as they catch their first glimpse of the plains of Rohan.
1:40 - Dark piece leading to -
1:50 - Sauron's (Mordor) theme is heard accompanying scenes of Barad-Dur as Saruman speaks of the Two Towers.
2:25 - The Uruk-Hai theme as Saruman observes his Uruk-Hai increasing the size of their army.
2:42 - An altered version of the Uruk-Hai theme accompanying the same scenes.______
Track 6: The King of the Golden Hall (3:49)
A more or less sequential cue from Gandalf's arrival at Edoras until just after the 'exorcism', with the burial music added on at the end.0:00 - The Fellowship theme followed by the Rohan theme on hardinger as Aragorn, Gandalf, Legolas and Gimli arrive at Edoras (minuns the scene between Grima and Eowyn) - Not sure becuase in the film the Rohan theme isn't performed on the Hardinger at this point.
0:35 - Hints of Eowyn's theme as she runs out onto the parapet in tears
0:54 - The Rohan theme on hardinger and then orchestra as the flag tears away in the wind and flutters down to near Aragorn, and we get a helicopter view of Edoras
1:53 - Pounding piece as Gandalf walks towards Theoden and Wormtongue.
2:11 - High strings as Gandalf raises his staff, followed by a stirring and fast sequence as he walks up to Theoden whilst the others clear his path
2:33 - Quiet piece, joined by choir and slowly rising as Theoden laments his son's death. The music reaches a climax as Theoden cries and Gandalf consoles him. The music ends just as the two children arrive on horseback.______
Track 7: The Black Gate is Closed (3:17)
Another more or less sequential sequence covering the arrival at the Black Gate. The music from when Sam falls down to when Frodo pulls him out of the ground is skipped0:00 - Half of Sauron's (Mordor) theme followed by strings are heard as Frodo, Sam and Gollum catch their first glimpse of the Black gate.
0:24 - A full rendition of Sauron's theme as we see Orcs on the walls, followed by 'urgent' strings with drums as troops arrive and the gate is opened.
1:25 - Lush strings as Gollum holds them back.
1:40 - A beautifully lush rendition of the Ring theme as Gollum begs Frodo not to take the ring into Sauron's hands. (This is interestingly similar to the lush strings in FOTR as Boromir shouts out to an invisible Frodo "You will take the Ring to Sauron!")
2:06 - A quick-paced passage as Gollum explains about the alternate route.
2:43 - A noble-sounding piece when Frodo says that Gollum has been true to his word, and then asks him to lead the way.______
Track 8: Evenstar (3:15)
Ethereal piece underscoring Aragorn's flashbacks of Arwen.0:00 - Vocal piece as Aragorn remembers his farewell to Arwen in Rivendell
0:31 - Joined by wind instruments, then by choir, then orchestra alone, as she stands under the archway.
1:58 - Repeat of the vocal piece that started the track, followed by orchestra, as they kiss. The music continues for a bit as we cut back to Aragorn and Eowyn.______
Track 9: The White Rider (2:28)
An amalgam of cues relating to Gandalf.0:00 - Loud choral piece followed by pounding percussion and choir as Gandalf reveals himself in front of Theoden and drives Saruman from within him.
0:40 - Strings passage followed by a brass piece as Gandalf is reminded of his name by Aragorn and says "I come back to you know..."
1:15 - Beautiful piece with female and then male voices - *Not sure - definetely not the Shadowfax music*
2:00 - Rousing rendition of the White Rider's theme as Gandalf et al. ride away from Fangorn forest.______
Track 10: Treebeard (2:43)
Sort of concert arrangement of the Ent music - heard when Treebeard is taking Merry and Pippin to Gandalf, and during the Ent-moot.0:00 - Low rumbling music joined by choir as we see various Ents arriving for the Ent-moot.
0:53 - A piece performed by wood and wind instruments (reminiscent of the Ewok music from ROTJ) - heard when Merry and Pippin first meet Treebeard.
1:44 - The rumbling music returns together with the wood insturments as Treebeard says "Sounds like orc mischief to me!".
2:16 - Strings and wood instruments which rise to a climax as Merry and Pippin are thrown at the feet of the 'White Wizard'.______
Track 11: The Leave Taking (3:41)
More elvish music for the sequence at Rivendell0:00 - Quiet underscore as Arwen cries on Elrond's chest.
0:30 - The swirling strings last heard at Rivendell, as the procession of elves leaves.
1:13 - Voices perform the Elf (or Lorien) theme as Galadriel and Elrond discuss the fate of Middle-Earth.
2:19 - Orchestra alone as Galdariel speaks of Frodo.
2:55 - A haunting rendition of the Ring theme as we see shots of Faramir leading Frodo and Sam blindfolded, as Galadriel says how close the ring is to falling into the hands of men.
3:14 - A dark piece ends the track as their 'conversation' ends______
Track 12: Helm's Deep (3:53)
Quite a few gaps here - but mostly cues from when Helm's Deep is reached0:00 - Uruk-Hai music as the first Warg-mounted orc attacks.
0:24 - Fast piece with brass and drums as Aragorn runs back to warn the Rohan caravan that they are under attack.
0:56 - Drums accompanying choir - one of the highlights of the score - *not used in the film* - an altered version is heard (with fiddle instead of choir) as Theoden tells Eowyn to lead the people to Helm's Deep and the men ride to meet the Warg-riders.
1:46 - A quiet string passage - *as they arrive at Helm's Deep*
2:11 - A grandiose piece - *as they enter the Hornburg*
2:40 - The rohan theme on hardinger, with drums, followed by an orchestral rendition as we see an aerial shot of the Hornburg.
3:24 - A quiet piece with voices as Eowyn learns that Aragorn has fallen.______
Track 13: The Forbidden Pool (5:27)
Apart from the start and end of the track, the music here concerns Gollum in the Forbidden Pool.0:00 - Dark and quiet passage with low strings - heavily edited in the film but used during the conversation about Boromir and when Faramir wakes up Frodo.
1:19 - Rising strings as he takes Frodo to see the Forbidden Pool.
1:41 - A hint of Gollum's cimbalon motif followed by strings as they look down and see Gollum in the pool.
2:36 - The music rises to a climax as Frodo asks Faramir to spare Gollum's life.
2:58 - A long rendition of Gollum's main theme as we cut to him eating the fish and Frodo tells him to follow him.
3:40 - A dark piece with hints of Gollums' theme which rises to a climax as Gollum follows Frodo.
4:38 - The vocal 'seduction' theme, (last heard in FOTR when Aragorn resists temptation at Amon Hen), as Faramir is tempted to take the ring from Frodo.______
Track 14: Breath of Life (5:07)
Covering Aragorn's recovery and journey to Helm's Deep, apart from the 2nd segment which I can't place.0:00 - Haunting vocals and strings as Arwen breathes life into Aragorn in the stream
1:55 - Orchestral piece ending with high-pitched strings *can't place this*
3:58 - Rousing music as he comes across Saruman's army.
4:21 - Aragorn's theme as he rides to warn those at Helm's Deep.
4:34 - A full-blown rendition as he is framed against snowy mountains.
4:50 - A noble piece as he sights Helm's Deep.______
Track 15: The Hornburg (4:36)
A number of cues from the preparation and beginning of the battle.0:00 - The Rohan theme as the women and children head for the caves, and men are summoned to battle.
0:45 - Rising choir as Theoden gives his 'Horse and Rider' speech, and we see scenes of the Uruk-Hai approaching and armour being handed out to the men and boys of Rohan.
1:44 - Dark piece when Thoeden says "How did it come to this".
1:52 - Followed by brass as we see another aerial shot of the Hornburg with Aragorn seated on the stairs.
2:33 - The Fellowship theme is heard as Legolas hands Aragorn his sword and asks for forgiveness.
2:51 - A quiet rendition of the Rohan theme on Hardinger as we see shots of the women and children of Rohan in the caves, just after the Uruk-Hai come to a halt some distance from the wall.
3:03 - A rousing piece as the Uruk-Hai and Orcs charge the deeping wall.
3:14 - The Elf (or Lorien) theme performed by brass with drums as Theoden says "So it begins", and the Elfs counter the oncoming attach with arrows.
4:08 - A pounding piece heard just before we cut to the Ent-Moot - just after Legolas yells "Nineteen", as Aragorn pushes down the first ladder.______
Track 16: Forth Eorlingas (3:15)
The highlight of the score in my opinion. Although not preceeded by the nature theme (as in the film) the music from the charge onwards is magical.0:00 - More slowly rising choir which ends abruptly. This is heard earlier when Gandalf reveals himself to Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli (though only a segment is used in the film).
0:59 - Fast-paced rousing music with lovely strings as Theoden and Aragorn lead the charge out of the Hornburg.
1:23 - The Rohan theme is heard as we see them charge down the causeway.
1:47 - The Fellowship theme is heard as they look to the east and see Gandalf, soon joined by Eomer.
2:14 - The beautiful solo boy's choir accompanies Gandalf and the Rohirrim down the slope.
2:42 - The white rider theme is heard in full glory as they approach the bottom and charge onto the Uruk-Hai.______
Track 17: Isengard Unleashed (5:01)
Starting with a number of cues from the battle, it then presents the great music from the various scenes as the Ents get medievil on Isengard.0:00 - A female vocal performs the Elf theme as Haldir is killed.
0:44 - A rousing melody is heard as Aragorn fights the Uruk-Hai surrounding Haldir, and then rides a ladder down onto more of them.
1:10 - Weird-sounding fanfares followed by Uruk-Hai music as they fire grapple-hooks and begin to scale the walls of the Hornburg.
1:38 - A quiet piece as Theoden orders his men to fall back, leading to:
1:49 - An altered rendition of the Rohan theme accompanying the aerial shot of soldiers retreating from the walls of the Hornburg.
2:10 - Just after Treebeard says "My Business is with Isengard tonight", an altered version of the 'Nature' (moth) theme is performed with percussion and choir.
2:58 - It is highlighted by a boy's solo voice (Ben Del Maestro) just after Treebeard says "The Last March of the Ents". The music matches perfectly with the long, graceful strides of the Ents.
3:14 - Loud action music as the Ents ransack Isengard. This piece starts as Merry and Pippin throw stones at the orcs.
3:49 - Choir joins as the dams are broken and Isengard is flooded. The music stops abruptly as the action shifts to Osgilliath.______
Track 18: Samwise the Brave (3:46)
This beautiful track underscores most of the film's superb ending.0:00 - Starting just after Frodo says "I can't do this Sam", this piece contains beautiful strings and wind instruments as Sam gives his 'Good in the world' speech to Frodo.
0:43 - What could be Sam's theme (heard in 'The Breaking of the Fellowship) as his speech complements the images of Helm's Deep and Isengard.
1:28 - A quieter passage with by beautiful strings as he ends his speech.
2:04 - The Shire/Frodo theme (the hymn) as Faramir approaches and sets them free. Theme is also heard shortly after when Frodo talks about 'Samwise the brave'.
2:56 - Eerie music with punctuated blasts of brass as Gollum considers killing the hobbits.
3:29 - Hints of Gollum's theme as he decides where to lead them.______
Track 19: Gollum's Song (5:51)
A truly magnigicently written and conceived end titles song, followed by a suite of 2 of the film's new themes.0:00 - Wonderful piece with humming choir and strings as Gollum leads the Hobbits on, and the camera rises to show a spectacular view of Mordor.
0:37 - Gollum's theme with soaring strings as the end credits appear on the screen.
1:14 - Emiliana Torrisi's amazingly appropriate voice performs Gollum's song.
3:54 - Eowyn's theme.
4:16 - The Rohan theme performed by full orchestra.
5:26 - Closing Fanfare.__________________________________
:: Notable Cues Missing from the CD ::
- The first time we see Shadowfax.
- The attack on the Oliphaunts.
- Elf theme with choir as the Elfs arrive at Helm's Deep.
- Faster version of the Elf theme as they charge the Uruk-Hai that are now behind the wall.
- The grand statements of the Fellowship theme as Legolas surfs down the stairs, and later as Aragorn and Gimli fight in front of the main gate.
- The wonderful statement of the Shire theme as Merry and Pippin talk about the Shire after the Ent-moot.
- The full rendition of the 'Nature' (moth) theme as the sun rises on the 5th day and Gimli blows the horn.
- The eerie vocals when Frodo faces-off with the Nazgul.
__________________________________Phew...that was tiring...
So? Anything you could help me out with?
p.s. Sorry about the thread title....it is of course Rings
[Message edited by Camillu on 01-05-2003]
posted 12-28-2002 03:58 PM PT (US) TimT
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quote:
Originally posted by Camillu:
p.s. Sorry about the thread title....it is of course Ring[b]s
[/b]Thats ok. I saw only one ring in this movie anyway.
Thanks for the extensive walklthrough of the score! I'm sure the last 2 people remaining to hear this score will really have fun with it.
posted 12-28-2002 05:55 PM PT (US) Wickenstein
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Excellent, I was hoping someone would compile which cues went to what. The album, while an excellent listenning experience, is as jumbled as a John Williams album.One thing, I don't think the choral parts of Passage Through the Marshes at 1:04 were used in the film. I tried listening for it when I saw it the second time but didn't catch it. I think it is supposed to occur when Frodo falls into the marshes, but instead is replaced by silence.
I don't think I remember much of the Rider's of Rohan being used after the initial minute. It could be a concert version or just contain a bunch of different cue spliced together.
As Camillu pointed out, there are a lot of little bits of music that aren't in the film. Is it possible that some of these passages were written for the extended version of the film? I think I read somewhere that Shore already started writing cues to the extended version while working on the score and is still working on it.
posted 12-28-2002 06:50 PM PT (US) Swashbuckler
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Excellent and exhaustive list... here's what I found...Track 6: The King of the Golden Hall (3:49)
0:00-0:34 - I think this is for the first view the Fellowship have of Edoras. This would be the first time the Rohan theme would be played on the Hardinger, but the tone is much darker than how we hear it later in the score.Track 10: Treebeard (2:43)
0:00-0:52 - I am pretty sure that this part of the track is the music for the Ent council.Track 12: Helm's Deep (3:53)
0:56-1:45 - ...is actually more of the same cue in the film, but it is mixed differently. In the film instead of the choir, we heard the Hardinger.
1:46 - Is all the music for the arrival at Helm's Deep and the arrival of Theoden King.Track 13: The Forbidden Pool (5:27)
0:00-1:19 - I think this is the music for when Frodo tells Faramir that he was a companion of Boromir. If it is, then it has been edited in the film.Track 15: The Hornburg (4:36)
I can confirm everything that you had except the Hardinger part. The pounding battle music is for when the Uruk-Hai begin to raise the ladders.Track 16: Forth Eorlingas (3:15)
0:00-0:58 - This is right after Gandalf reveals himself to the Fellowship and they all bow. The cue mentioned in "The White Rider" from 0:41-1:14 would immediately follow this (Gandalf's flashback separates them in the film).Track 17: Isengard Unleashed (5:01)
0:44-1:49 are all part of the same cue that opens this track. Immediately after Haldir dies, Aragorn attacks the Uruks around him.Track 18: Samwise the Brave (3:46)
The eerie music at 2:56 is the same music as heard in "The Taming of Smeagol" that seems to be a sort of "Journey with Gollum" theme, the motif that you refer to as Gollum's cimbalion motif.Okay... now we have several teams of experts working on this around the clock!
[Message edited by Swashbuckler on 12-30-2002]
posted 12-30-2002 10:47 AM PT (US) PAUL TONKS
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This is fantastic work. I only wish I had the time & opportunity to delve into this as deeply as you have. So far still only seen TTT the once (hopefully again this coming weekend), after which I hope to be able to contribute some more thoughts. If Dan's collection of questions for Howard Shore bring back some answers, I think it would be wonderful to put together a definitive analysis of some sort.Wow - and still the Extended version, ROTK & it's Extended version to come!
PT
posted 12-30-2002 10:54 AM PT (US) Camillu
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Thanks Swashbuckler - especially for placing the first part of Forth Eorlingas.I've added loads of updates to the list, including yours, and hopefully it will slowly be reaching completion - or the point where we can say 'this cue didn't make the final cut'
posted 12-30-2002 03:07 PM PT (US) Timmer
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Impressive Mark, very impressive!For me this is THE top score of 2002!
posted 12-30-2002 05:36 PM PT (US) Kosh
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Very impressive and useful list!Just two little corrections and one question:
* It's cymbalom not cimbalium or whatever. I know there are a lot of different spellings, but the one used in the list is, uh, not one of them, hehehe.
* As far as I know, that Norwegian fiddle's name is spelled "hardanger fiddle", not hardinger. [Technicalities, technicalities!]And the question:
* Anyone did a similar list for The Fellowship of the Ring?
Koshposted 12-30-2002 07:56 PM PT (US) Camillu
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Thanks for the spelling corrections. I've decided to go with 'cimbalon' and 'hardinger' since that's how they're spelt in the CD liner notes.I never found anything similar for FOTR, but with the DVD available it shouldm't be too difficult. In fact I'm under the impression that the FOTR CD has less cutting and pasting off cues than the TTT one.
I would do it myself, but as of 2nd January I'm hitting the books again
[Message edited by Camillu on 12-31-2002]
posted 12-31-2002 04:18 AM PT (US) Pete M
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Wow, thanks for that. I've not seen the film enough to be able to work out where everything goes. By the way, does anyone know why it is that tracks 16 & 17 seem to be sequenced the wrong way round?NP Rolling Stones: Exile on Main St.
posted 12-31-2002 11:00 AM PT (US) Swashbuckler
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Well, unlike Fellowship, which was entirely in the order that it appears in the film except the very beginning of "Amon Hen" (Aragorn's temptation by the Ring proceedes the music for Boromir's attempt to steal it), The Two Towers is all over the place.However, I do find it a little odd that, with the album basically working towards a climax similar to that of the film that "Forth Eorlingas" would come before "Isengard Unleashed." One former has a lyrical crescendo, while the latter becomes more and more frenetic. I tend to switch the two when I play the disc. "Forth Eorlingas" seems to flow better into "Samwise the Brave."
posted 12-31-2002 12:59 PM PT (US) Marian Schedenig
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But to me, Isengard Unleashed is the higlight of the album (plus Foundations of Stone and Gollum's Song), not Forth Eorlingas.Camillu, great list. I haven't commented on it before because I still haven't seen the movie a second time (soon!).
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posted 01-01-2003 09:08 AM PT (US) Camillu
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Just finished all my updates... so from now on I depend on you guys to fill in the last few remaining gaps...
Random Question: - Has anyopne managed to figure out what Sam is telling Frodo at Gondor when the sound goes silent and you have to lip-read?Thanks.
posted 01-01-2003 01:32 PM PT (US) rachmaninov
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Wow! Great stuff, thank you!Does anybody know if the elf theme variations will come with the expanded version?
I’d be a shame if they didn’t.The very best score of the year for sure. It’s definitely amongst the best epic scores. Besides it’s awesomely sentimental. I cried more than four times during the movie, just because of the music.
Rach.
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posted 01-02-2003 03:23 PM PT (US) Camillu
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Originally posted by rachmaninov:
Does anybody know if the elf theme variations will come with the expanded version?If the much-rumoured 10 CD set is in fact released in 2005, then we should expect to have every single cue from all 3 films, much as was done with the Star Wars special editions.
posted 01-04-2003 03:26 AM PT (US) Marian Schedenig
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Now that this thread is "featured" on TheOneRing.net, I remembered that I forgot to mention something:quote:
Originally posted by Camillu:
Track 1: Foundations of Stone (3:52)
It seems that this track contains the entire main titles and opening sequence.0:00 - It starts with quiet strings for the Newline logo and production credits.
0:32 - The Ring theme is heard over the LOTR main title, exactly like in FOTR.
0:50 - More sweeping string music as the camera moves over the mountain tops.
1:43 - Pounding action music as we enter Moria for the Khazad-Dum scene.
2:30 - Gandalf falls. Deep choir and more pounding orchestra accompany the fall of Gandalf and the Balrog.
3:32 - The choir reaches operatic proportions as it cuts to a long shot of the huge cavern into which they fall.
3:52 - The music ends abruptly as Frodo awakes from his 'dream'.[/B]That sweeping string music sounds a lot like it's related to the Gollum's Song theme I think. I don't see a direct connection to the visuals (ok, so Gollum is in Moria as well, but that's pretty unimportant at that point), but it's probably meant to set up one of the most important parts of the movie.
posted 01-04-2003 08:03 AM PT (US) Elf_Maven
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The Two Towers soundtrack CD includes a foldout with lyrics to three songs. We know where the lyrics for Gollum's song are heard and I think I can guess about "The Missing," but how about the one titled "The Ents"? Is it even on the soundtrack?[Message edited by Elf_Maven on 01-04-2003]
posted 01-04-2003 05:26 PM PT (US) Marian Schedenig
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I've wondered about that, too. If it is, then it must be a part of Isengard Unleashed, right? I'll try to pay as much attention as possible to the music when I finally watch the movie a second time tomorrow.NP: Wagner: Ring of the Nibelung, Highlights (Karajan & Co.)
posted 01-04-2003 05:53 PM PT (US) starmaid
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Thanks so much for that detailed analysis. I've been making all these guesses as I've listened to the soundtrack.What I want to know is where can we find out the lyrics of some of those songs (Breath of Life) for example, or Isengard Unleashed. They aren't in the pamphlet.
posted 01-04-2003 07:09 PM PT (US) Marian Schedenig
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Here are some.NP: Bruckner: Te Deum (LPO, Franz Welser-Möst)
posted 01-04-2003 08:13 PM PT (US) JennaD
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A couple of things:For Breath of Life (which is the most favourite track on the whole album for me), the beginning big with the 'haunting vocals' begins when Gimli tells Eowyn at Helm's Deep that Aragorn fell.
And about the lyrics, 'The Ents' is indeed played in Isengard Unleashed. In the second half of the song where Ben Del Maestro is singing in that amazing Soprano of his, he is singing 'The Ents' although it may be a little hard to catch so you'll really have to listen to it a few times while looking at the lyrics to follow it.
I have no idea where 'The Missing' can be found and it still puzzles me. It is a poem in Old English and it most definitely is about Eowyn and I've tried listening over and over again to all the tracks with any singing in them, but no luck so far. Perhaps it was just meant to be a poem and not to be included in a song?
posted 01-04-2003 08:59 PM PT (US) arwenrose
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<p>I hope this doesn't sound presumptuous, but are you sure that what you call the 'Nature' theme in 'Isengard Unleashed' is the same as the 'Moth' theme in 'A Knife in the Dark'?
I ask this because I checked it out on my [piano] keyboard, and this is what I found:
<br>Isengard Unleashed - E F C D E F C B A
<br>A Knife in the Dark - E F C C D A
<p>I'm not a great musician, or anything, but I do have a good ear.
<p>Also, I think that the unknown piece of music in 'Breath of life' is played while Elrond is telling Arwen what her life will be if she were to marry Aragorn.
<p>I've seen TTT four times, and have had the CD since December 6th. I've also seen FotR about 35 times, and listened to that CD more times than I can count.
<p>Thanks for listening. I hope I haven't offended anybody.
posted 01-04-2003 10:16 PM PT (US) Camillu
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Originally posted by arwenrose:
I hope this doesn't sound presumptuous, but are you sure that what you call the 'Nature' theme in 'Isengard Unleashed' is the same as the 'Moth' theme in 'A Knife in the Dark'?It's not exactly the same, but it's definetely a progression of the same theme, which makes sense considering the context.
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Also, I think that the unknown piece of music in 'Breath of life' is played while Elrond is telling Arwen what her life will be if she were to marry Aragorn.That's what I initially thought, but I checked and actually when they're talking there is no music, and when it cuts to the scene of Aragorn's memorial there is more of the 'Evenstar' theme.
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I've seen TTT four times, and have had the CD since December 6th. I've also seen FotR about 35 times, and listened to that CD more times than I can count.We're very proud of you (just pulling your leg - in case you're new to the boards...these things happen all the time)
posted 01-05-2003 04:33 AM PT (US) Bolly
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I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this missing cue. In the scene where Sam gives his end speech, right after telling Frodo, "That there's some good in this world, and it's worth fighting for," the scene cuts to a reaction shoot of Gollum looking sad, disappointed. There's a bit of music that underscores what he's thinking, which incidentally enough is missing in the Samewise the Brave track. It's very subtle and probably nobody notices it. Just listen at the 2:00 to 2:03 mark. There should have been an extra violin cue, low and heavy, underscoring Gollum's thought before the transition to 2:04.
posted 01-05-2003 08:15 AM PT (US) arwenrose
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I am new, and easily offended! Not really I hope I'm doing this right, the smile thing, that is. Or else I'll have to be
. But seriously, the 'Nature' theme appears to me to be more of a forlorn hope theme.
Treebeard says, approximately, 'We go to war, perhaps to our doom.' And the other occasion that they play it is when Aragorn and Theoden decide to ride out of the Hornburg, going to ? well, their doom.. This is one of my favorite parts of the score, and don't you just love Ben Del Maestro's voice?
About Breath of Life, I'm sure that Ive heard that disputed piece in the film; I'll have to listen carefully the next time I go. (Probably very, very soon!)
I just love discussing this stuff! Bye for now,
Arwenrose
posted 01-05-2003 10:00 AM PT (US) Marian Schedenig
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I think the beginning of Breath of Life is heard when Aragorn has the vision of Arwen when waking up at the riverbank.That "nature" theme can be two things: A theme for nature, or a theme for sudden unexpected hope/optimism. We probably won't find out unless Shore tells us, since with Tolkien, both occur together most of the time. (And yes, that part of Isengard Unleashed is one of my favourite bits in the entire score)
That possible Aragorn theme I mentioned...it either isn't there, or I didn't notice it this time. The scene in which I thought it appears (Aragorn arming in the Hornburg) in fact only has a faster repetition of the arming music.I mentioned before that the music when Gandalf and the Balrog fall into the lake in Moria reminds me a lot of Philipp Glass' Itaipu. There's a string arpeggio in Isengard Unleashed that always makes me think of Glass as well - and it appears in the movie when the Ents break the dam to flood Isengard....does Shore associated water with Glass?
Other than that, I couldn't pay too much attention to the score. It just fits the images too well, I can't really separate them. Same "problem" with the first movie/score - in many cases, I can't even figure out if a certain piece of music is on the CD or not.
posted 01-05-2003 04:13 PM PT (US) MrSpock
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Originally posted by Camillu:If the much-rumoured 10 CD set is in fact released in 2005, then we should expect to have every single cue from all 3 films, much as was done with the Star Wars special editions.
Oh, Dear God, please tell me this is true! I've heard that there might be a release of all the music, but I haven't been able to find a definitive statement on this one way or the other.
By the way, excellent analysis of the music. I like this soundtrack only a little less than the one for "Fellowship of the Ring" because of the scattershot organization of the tracks. With FoTR, you could pop the CD in and the musical progression was fairly close to that of the movie...not so with The Two Towers (an excellent score, nonetheless).
posted 01-05-2003 08:23 PM PT (US) Dish
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Wow that is impressive. Does any one know what the music in the Two Towers trailer is. Particularly near the end of the trailer with the scenes from Helm's Deep? Is this piece on the soundtrack?
Thanks.
posted 01-05-2003 09:15 PM PT (US) metaphor123
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Originally posted by Dish:
Wow that is impressive. Does any one know what the music in the Two Towers trailer is. Particularly near the end of the trailer with the scenes from Helm's Deep? Is this piece on the soundtrack?
Thanks.Its a re-arranged and reorchestrated version of the theme from 'Requiem for a Dream'. It is not available on the soundtrack.
posted 01-05-2003 09:57 PM PT (US) Camillu
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Originally posted by MrSpock:
Oh, Dear God, please tell me this is true! I've heard that there might be a release of all the music, but I haven't been able to find a definitive statement on this one way or the other.I can't remember either how this started. The first thing we heard was the penultimate question in this interview (http://www.soundtrack.net/features/article/?id=89), but I can't remember where the 10 CD figure was mentioned.
posted 01-06-2003 09:12 AM PT (US) Lancelot
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The...next to last question?
posted 01-06-2003 10:26 AM PT (US) MrSpock
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Given the operatic form, and sheer amount of music in the score, do you anticipate a more comprehensive soundtrack release at some point?Yes - we should do that. You have to realize, also, that Lord of the Rings is a nine-hour film, and that's our goal - at some point there will be a nine-hour DVD. The Fellowship of the Ring is just Act One of a three act piece. The other films are not sequels - they're a part of the continuing story. You're following Frodo and Sam through these different worlds, on their way to Mordor.
We can only hope they do a special deluxe release of the music! It seems reasonable that Reprise Music would do such a thing.
posted 01-06-2003 01:44 PM PT (US) dgoldwas
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Originally posted by Camillu:
I can't remember where the 10 CD figure was mentioned.
http://www.soundtrack.net/features/article/?id=95Dan
posted 01-06-2003 02:17 PM PT (US) Becka
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I have one question. Is there a cue for the scene where Eowyn is practicing with her sword; Aragorn comes along and talks to her during this, and there is a lovely rendition of her theme that I'm not sure was included on the CD.
posted 01-07-2003 04:22 PM PT (US) Thingolien_CalaQuessir
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Hey im new to this thing, but ive been reading through everything thats been going on. Breath of Life in the movie actually comes on when Aragorn is drifting down the River and Arwen comes and says "May the grace of the Valinor protect you" and kisses him. Although they cut some of the singing at the begining out of the movie, thats when the song comes on. Someone mentioned that it started when Gimli was talking to Eowyn about Aragorn's fall. No, that vocal part is at the end of Helm's Deep. And i also noticed how i think only one person mentioned that Evenstar was played when Elrond was telling Arwen what he foresaw of her and Aragorn's death. But i must say, that was great work. It must have took a long time. Even though the tracks are scattered its a great Score, i must say that Isengard Unleashed is my favorite song, it goes so well with the strides of the Ents and all. But thats all i can think of at the moment.
posted 01-07-2003 04:49 PM PT (US) Seanpd06
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Hey everyone! I'm new to this as well and am so thankful that someone took the time to type up this wonderful cue-to-cue of The Two Towers soundtrack. I was wondering though if anyone had the lyrics that are sung in all the choral movements? And if anyone could tell me where the other two poems, besides Gollum's, would be in the tracks of the score. Thank you much!
-Sean
posted 01-10-2003 02:38 PM PT (US) kianga
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Are there different versions of the soundtrack CDs? I am asking because I noticed that two tracks on my CD seem to be shorter than yours.Here is a list of the differences:
Track 5: The Uruk-Hai - your: 2:58, mine: 2:47
Track 7: The Black Gate is Closed - your: 3:17, mine: 3:01I haven't yet figured out which exact parts are missing, but obviously there must be a difference.
I own the Limited Edition soundtrack CD. It was bought in Germany via Amazon, but cover and booklet are all in English.
posted 01-12-2003 12:42 AM PT (US) PAUL TONKS
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Originally posted by kianga:
Are there different versions of the soundtrack CDs? I am asking because I noticed that two tracks on my CD seem to be shorter than yours.kianga - for whatever reason, the review promo WEA sent out has these extra few seconds over the commercial release.
You really are only missing a very few seconds though
Camillu - my hearty thanks to you for continuing the hard work!
PAUL TONKS
posted 01-12-2003 03:04 AM PT (US) Elf_Maven
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A question for all you who are musically inclinded and talented:Is it just me, or is one of the themes from FOTR missing entirely? I was surprised not to notice in TTT, in any context, the theme that is first introduced in FOTR when we see Elendil striding across the screen while Galadriel narrates "A last alliance of men and elves . . ." It can also be heard while Bilbo is reluctantly dropping the Ring before going out the door of Bag End and as part of the suspense leading up to the Ringwraith attack on Weathertop, as well as other times I don't recall. Is this theme really missing from TTT entirely? Or is it just that I missed it?
posted 01-12-2003 01:47 PM PT (US) Marian Schedenig
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That's one of the Ring themes I think. And it just now occured to me that it seems to be very closely related to one of Gollum's themes in TTT.quote:
Originally posted by PAUL TONKS:
kianga - for whatever reason, the review promo WEA sent out has these extra few seconds over the commercial release.Reportedly, they are also on the NON-limited CD release.
posted 01-12-2003 02:25 PM PT (US) Old Infopop Software by UBB
- The first time we see Shadowfax.