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Dylan Standard Userer	Justine: The Deluxe Edition (Jerry Goldsmith) The Story of Ruth (Franz Waxman) Wonderful Country/ The King and Four Queens (Alex North) Predator (Alan Silvestri)
posted 08-11-2003 12:09 AM PT (US)

Dylan Standard Userer	Hello to the group, Well, this is a nice batch. I'm sure the release of "Predator" made well over 3000 people happy, and I actually believe there's a good chance that this disc will sell out rather quickly. The latest club release that intrigues me the most is Jerry Goldsmith's "Justine," which was composed in his prime (which was, in my opinion, the nineteen-sixties). I haven't heard a note of this score before but I would love to hear opinions from those who have the original release or have seen the film. Best Regards, Dylan [Message edited by Dylan on 08-11-2003]
posted 08-11-2003 12:12 AM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Standard Userer	Thanks D --B NP: Contact (Cue # 1099)
posted 08-11-2003 12:13 AM PT (US)

azahid Standard Userer	At last we get a chance to hear Goldenthal's permuation of the 20 century Fox fanfare from ALIEN 3 segued onto the main title. of PREDATOR-yay. Amer [Message edited by azahid on 08-11-2003]
posted 08-11-2003 12:40 AM PT (US)

BMikeJ Standard Userer	I was just going to write about that, Amer... How exciting to finally have that fanfare for Alien 3... Woo hoo!!!
posted 08-11-2003 12:52 AM PT (US)

DavidOC Non-Standard Userer	Hey Dylan, I just pulled out an old tape of Justine that I have and gave it a listen for the first time in ages. It's another quality score, nothing brilliant, but a fascinating listen. I've never seen the film itself, but it obviously has some mid-eastern, arabic element, the music is reflective of this. Listening to it after all this time, I hear bits of The Wind and the Lion and even The Mummy and The 13th Warrior in it - but the score that it reminds me of the most strangely enough is QBVII. (Maybe a bit of Masada too) The main theme is nice enough and the more upbeat material sounds like a kind of Arabic crossed with a Jewish tone like QBVII - that probably sounds stupid and may be way off base, but that's my initial impression on hearing it again. I'd be interested to hear what other people think. Overall I'd say it's definately going to be another worthwhile purchase for every Goldsmith fan, despite the fact that it's not a top-of-the-line score in the master's canon of work. [Message edited by DavidOC on 08-11-2003]
posted 08-11-2003 02:55 AM PT (US)

Lorien Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Dylan: The latest club release that intrigues me the most is Jerry Goldsmith's "Justine," which was composed in his prime (which was, in my opinion, the nineteen-sixties). I haven't heard a note of this score before but I would love to hear opinions from those who have the original release or have seen the film.[Message edited by Dylan on 08-11-2003] I've the LP of the album, the second half of this CD. It's marvelous. The JUSTINE LP is good in ways that QB VII is good - eclectic, and extremely melodic. Bought sound unheard, this should not disappoint. I'm anxious to hear the film cues, myself. With THE FURY, the film cues were a revelation, and an improvement, compared with the re-recording. Those two work as companion pieces, so I'm glad that this time they've used the extra space on the CD to include the re-recording as well. David
posted 08-11-2003 03:03 AM PT (US)

Alexborn007 Standard Userer	WOOOOHOOOOO! Predator was one I have been dying for (I just made a post about it recently). Good thing I didn't shell out the cash for the boot Hope this means Alien could be on the way. Back To The Future...120 orchestra players=lots of union fees so I'm not holding my breath.
posted 08-11-2003 03:23 AM PT (US)

ESB Standard Userer	Predator! FINALLY!! Thanks Var�se. You're the best. I knew it! A 'spy' informed me that they bought the rights from Fox a while ago I wonder what the difference is with the boots...
posted 08-11-2003 04:58 AM PT (US)

Wickenstein Standard Userer	This is great news about Predator! I have the "shoe" of Predator but I'm still gonna buy this professional release! I'd do the same for Back to the Future and Alien as wel (hint hint). From the track titles, it appears that much of the shorter cues have been put together which is great. Having Goldenthal/Newman's Alien3 fanfare will be pretty sweet too. Can't believe how long it's been that I've waited for a release of this score!
posted 08-11-2003 05:03 AM PT (US)

ESB Standard Userer	It seems Predator has a total running time of 73:08. Minus the 20th Century Fox fanfare it comes to 72:41 of score. Therefore it contains 3 minutes of more original score than the boots that contained 69:37 of score! My guess is that track 12 "Building A Trap" is the extra track that was not on the boots. [Message edited by ESB on 08-11-2003]
posted 08-11-2003 05:21 AM PT (US)

Dinko Standard Userer	oh look! 'tis a cookoo flying over the nest!
posted 08-11-2003 05:30 AM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Standard Userer	Where the f***ng hell is my Great Train Robbery*??
posted 08-11-2003 05:30 AM PT (US)

Dinko Standard Userer	You were actually expecting Great Train Robbery? From the Var�se Sarabande CD Club? MWAHAHAHAHHA! That'll be the day.
posted 08-11-2003 05:36 AM PT (US)

Timmer Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Marian Schedenig: Where the f*ng hell is my Great Train Robbery??* Seems were still on the subs bench Marian?!
posted 08-11-2003 06:56 AM PT (US)

TV's Frank Standard Userer	I also have had the b**t since around 1997, I think, but will still buy this special release to hear the extra cues, the more "official" end titles and I am curious about how the shorter tracks have been crossfaded together. Plus I must support the great endeavor Varese has taken with this release. And JUSTINE sounds pretty great as well - I love QBVII, it is such an underrated gem from Goldsmith and I love any of his scores which pay homage to his Jewish heritage.
posted 08-11-2003 07:48 AM PT (US)

PeterK FishChip	The Wonderful Country. Fantastic. Good to see bootlegs don't affect Varese's decisions on marginal limited editions like this (one that might excite 5 people at most). Now I can own this one on CD... a very good thing.
posted 08-11-2003 08:32 AM PT (US)

Jim M Standard Userer	Not going to spend 20 bucks for Varese's version..What I have is good enough..Justine is really not that interesting... I have the lp bought years ago, and it never prompted me to play it more than twice..
posted 08-11-2003 09:05 AM PT (US)

Ron Pulliam Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Jim M: Not going to spend 20 bucks for Varese's version..What I have is good enough..Justine is really not that interesting... I have the lp bought years ago, and it never prompted me to play it more than twice.. So let's see...you didn't like the few snippets on the LP album, much of which was re-recorded, but you're going to poo-pooh the entire project which includes the total original soundtrack on one of the two CDs? Unheard? : ) May you learn how fantastic this score is and find it no longer available!
posted 08-11-2003 09:48 AM PT (US)

Jeron Standard Userer	I thought I might chime in here and simply say: JUSTINE KICKS MAJOR FILM MUSIC BOOTY! Jeron [Message edited by Jeron on 08-11-2003]
posted 08-11-2003 11:07 AM PT (US)

Jim M Standard Userer	Ron, you are more than welcomed to purchase "my" copy! Both of you, enjoy it..It's just not a score I will buy.. Bought "Magic" though...I'm happy right now with the Hawkin's cd! Enjoy!
posted 08-11-2003 11:36 AM PT (US)

jonathan_little Standard Userer	Hum. Looks like that's another $60 I've gotta spend to feed my addiction.
posted 08-11-2003 11:50 AM PT (US)

Dinko Standard Userer	60$? Can't you just spend $20 on the Waxman? I'll give you 3$ for a CDR of it. (Dinko awaiting STPD raid.)
posted 08-11-2003 11:57 AM PT (US)

justin boggan Standard Userer	Figures, broke and they make a Deluxe edition. Screwed again.
posted 08-11-2003 12:18 PM PT (US)

SBD Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Wickenstein: This is great news about Predator! I have the "shoe" of Predator but I'm still gonna buy this professional release! I'd do the same for Back to the Future and Alien as wel (hint hint). From the track titles, it appears that much of the shorter cues have been put together which is great. Having Goldenthal/Newman's Alien3 fanfare will be pretty sweet too. Can't believe how long it's been that I've waited for a release of this score! While were (briefly, of course) on the subject of the..."shoe" , can anyone tell me the origin of that track before the "End Credits"? Was this a cue that was written for the final scene? One theory of mine suggests that this music was replaced with the funeral trumpet. This is a long time coming. Here's hoping for BACK TO THE FUTURE, next (knock on wood).
posted 08-11-2003 06:06 PM PT (US)

MMM Non-Standard Userer	THE WONDERFUL COUNTRY is one of North's most enjoyable scores. Melodic, inventive, and a great listening experience.
posted 08-11-2003 09:07 PM PT (US)

Jeff78 Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by SBD: <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by Wickenstein: [b]This is great news about Predator! I have the "shoe" of Predator but I'm still gonna buy this professional release! I'd do the same for Back to the Future and Alien as wel (hint hint). From the track titles, it appears that much of the shorter cues have been put together which is great. Having Goldenthal/Newman's Alien3 fanfare will be pretty sweet too. Can't believe how long it's been that I've waited for a release of this score!<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE> While were (briefly, of course) on the subject of the..."shoe" , can anyone tell me the origin of that track before the "End Credits"? Was this a cue that was written for the final scene? One theory of mine suggests that this music was replaced with the funeral trumpet. This is a long time coming. Here's hoping for BACK TO THE FUTURE, next (knock on wood). [/B] Well there is a easy way to find out if Varese owns the rights to it...sell a cdr of the score on ebay! Jeff78
posted 08-12-2003 12:16 AM PT (US)

workaluk Standard Userer	YYYYYEEEEEEEESSSSSSSS,i have the boot of Predator,but it misses the best cue in whole the score,and it's in the Varese release,it's the track 12 "Building The Trap",the famous tagline by Arnold "If it bleeds,we can kill it"............. Faboulous.........
posted 08-12-2003 05:16 AM PT (US)

Ron Pulliam Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Dylan: Hello to the group, Well, this is a nice batch. I'm sure the release of "Predator" made well over 3000 people happy, and I actually believe there's a good chance that this disc will sell out rather quickly. Best Regards, Dylan [Message edited by Dylan on 08-11-2003] Dylan, who are those 3,000 people? Are they the ones who don't buy up all the FSM and Varese discs as soon as they are announced? i think it's more likely that only about 500 people who will snatch it up right away. Some will be multiple buyers and the title may see 1,500 disappear in the early going. Once the sci-fi marketplace becomes aware of it, then it will disappear...so get it while the getting is good. I know the success of "The Towering Inferno" and "The Omega Man" make it seem like "popular" titles will sell out quickly, but the fact is that those titles sold in a wider marketplace than film music fans.
posted 08-12-2003 09:28 AM PT (US)

Alexborn007 Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Ron Pulliam: I know the success of "The Towering Inferno" and "The Omega Man" make it seem like "popular" titles will sell out quickly, but the fact is that those titles sold in a wider marketplace than film music fans. Yes, because now I can't find Omega Man to save my life
posted 08-12-2003 12:07 PM PT (US)

JEC Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Ron Pulliam: I know the success of "The Towering Inferno" and "The Omega Man" make it seem like "popular" titles will sell out quickly, but the fact is that those titles sold in a wider marketplace than film music fans. "The Omega Man" selling out I can understand. But what was the wider market for "The Towering Inferno"?
posted 08-12-2003 12:41 PM PT (US)

Wickenstein Standard Userer	For anyone who's ordered club releases just prior to being announced before, how long does it usually take Varese to ship them? Thanks.
posted 08-12-2003 07:57 PM PT (US)

jonathan_little Standard Userer	Dunno, but I just love seeing... Shipping total: $5.50 ...on my receipt from Varese for three CDs sent via one of the slowest possible services for transporting CDs between California and Maine. I want USPS Priority mail or at least first class for that price, damnit! I figure that if they start shipping on 08/19/03 then my order should be shipped by 08/22/03. After that, I will expect to get my CDs by 09/19/03. That way when they (hopefully) arrive before 09/19/03, I'll be a happy camper and will convince my insane mind that the shipping 'option' of UPS Ground that I 'chose' was super speedy, a fabulous value, and an overall fantastic idea.
posted 08-12-2003 10:37 PM PT (US)

Ron Pulliam Standard Userer	<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by JEC: <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by Ron Pulliam: I know the success of "The Towering Inferno" and "The Omega Man" make it seem like "popular" titles will sell out quickly, but the fact is that those titles sold in a wider marketplace than film music fans. <HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE> "The Omega Man" selling out I can understand. But what was the wider market for "The Towering Inferno"? <HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE> Gee, you didn't know? 1. John Williams is extremely popular across a broad spectrum of musical tastes, and he's extremely collectible. 2. One of his most-popular, most-coveted scores on CD in its ORIGINAL form is "The Towering Inferno." Ditto "The Poseidon Adventure." "The Towering Inferno" has an amazing fan base. [Message edited by Ron Pulliam on 08-14-2003]
posted 08-14-2003 08:52 AM PT (US)

JJH Standard Userer	From the time they ship to the time UPS misses you twice, you can expect about a week and a half to go by. CDs from Varese just aren't a priority at UPS.
posted 08-14-2003 10:15 AM PT (US)

Jeron Standard Userer	Yup... funny you mention that JJ - my Varese package, ordered on the 12th, was scheduled for delivery on the 13th. The UPS guy was here, it was on his truck, but he was a dumb head and didn't bring it in. And so, it's "out for delivery" again today. Keep in mind I could have more easily driven down to Ventura Blvd. and bought my cds in person. UPS does suck for this kind of thing. -j
posted 08-14-2003 02:05 PM PT (US)

Jeron Standard Userer	Ugh, and now I discover that they've been trying to deliver it across the street!!! Geesh, that's Varese's fault, not UPS. My order confirmation has the correct address, but apparently the sticker doesn't. Hopefully those kinds of problems aren't happening with any other orders. That could lead to some big time frustration. Advice: Call UPS and confirm with them that the address on the package is indeed your address. Jeron [Message edited by Jeron on 08-14-2003]
posted 08-14-2003 02:25 PM PT (US)

azahid Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Jeron: Ugh, and now I discover that they've been trying to deliver it across the street!!! Geesh, that's Varese's fault, not UPS. My order confirmation has the correct address, but apparently the sticker doesn't. Hopefully those kinds of problems aren't happening with any other orders. That could lead to some big time frustration. Advice: Call UPS and confirm with them that the address on the package is indeed your address. Jeron [Message edited by Jeron on 08-14-2003] I think there is some problem in the ordering page on their website. My online recipet has always some errors whereas the email recei[pt shows the correctr version. Ithas happned before. Last time my order was undelibverable becuase the zip code was all wrong! Amer
posted 08-14-2003 08:31 PM PT (US)

TimT Standard Userer	They usually ship my orders the day after the release date, and it arrives the next day. There was one time when I waited about 2 days before I got a shipping confirmation from them, but just as I was reading the email. UPS knocked on the door whith my CDs!
posted 08-14-2003 11:02 PM PT (US)

Ron Pulliam Standard Userer	Jeron: What CDs did you order on the 12th? Were they new club CDs? When I ordered, there was a note that said the CDs would not be available for shipping until August 18th. Has anyone here gotten theirs anyway??
posted 08-15-2003 09:10 AM PT (US)

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