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Topic: Open Range / Michael Kamen

Jeron

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Haven't really heard anything about this... definitely excited, being a Kamen fan and all. What's the scoop? Did anyone rush out and buy it?Jeron
posted 08-14-2003 02:36 PM PT (US) 
Philipp
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Gonna get it soon, already ordered it. Report then.Best Wishes
Philipp
np. the peacemaker (hans zimmer)
posted 08-14-2003 02:39 PM PT (US) 
Crono/Kyp

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Tim usually buys everything
Ask him

--B
NP: Some JNH CD
posted 08-14-2003 05:20 PM PT (US) 
BMikeJ

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I've got it right here in front of me but am resisting the urge to listen to it until after I've seen the film this weekend.
posted 08-14-2003 06:34 PM PT (US) 
Jeron

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Oh, boo on you Mike Joffe, come on, tear it open! It's a Kevin Costner flick, not Star Wars!
posted 08-14-2003 06:39 PM PT (US) 
Crono/Kyp

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quote:
Originally posted by Jeron:
It's a Kevin Costner flickMaybe that's why

I mean really, the only good thing about "Postman" was JNH's score IMO

"Dances" rocked hard core and then Costner's directing went down hill from there...
--Brian
NP: A DVD
posted 08-14-2003 07:04 PM PT (US) 
Matthew

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Jeron,I've got it,and while certainly not bad by any stretch of the imagination,it just seems a little generic sounding in some places.It has that kamen sound but with a definate western feel.There is alot of guitar and there is also that trademark Kamen suspense/action music,but toned down a bit.
Also,the theme just didn't stand out to me.I kept wanting to hear something more grand or memorable.But then again Kamen's never really been known for writing memorable themes.
Don't get me wrong it has good moments.But while listening to it I kept thinking about what Basil Poledouris might have come up with if had he stayed on the project.
[Message edited by Matthew on 08-14-2003]
posted 08-14-2003 07:15 PM PT (US) 
Lancelot

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quote:
"Dances" rocked hard core and then Costner's directing went down hill from there..."Rocked hard core" aside, how can you fairly say this about a guy who's directed 2 total movies? (Add to the fact that 3-hour "Postman" opened opposite 3-hour "Titanic"...)
posted 08-14-2003 08:25 PM PT (US) 
TimT

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quote:
Originally posted by Crono/Kyp:
Tim usually buys everything
Ask him

--B
NP: Some JNH CD
Unfortunately film music these days doesn't warrant such an enthusiastic gotta get it attitude in me anymore. I've heard that the score is slow and kinda reflectful with some dark moments. But absolutely nothing like the gun-ho heroic suite of James Newton Howard music used in the trailer.
By the way it’s described, I am reminded of Kamen's sleepy score to Band of Brothers (zzZZZ). So I didn't purchase it yet.
But thanks for thinking of me!NP- Far From Home - John Scott
posted 08-14-2003 10:56 PM PT (US) 
Crono/Kyp

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Anytime Tim
--B
posted 08-15-2003 12:09 AM PT (US) 
John Zimmer

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The rest of Band of Brothers may be sleepy but the first 3 tracks are dang fine. Also I think Basil Poledouris should have scored Open Range. Nothing against Kamen, but Poledouris...I mean come on here!
Jz
[Message edited by John Zimmer on 08-16-2003]
posted 08-16-2003 06:19 AM PT (US) 
Jeron

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Got the CD... hmmm, still assessing it, but so far, so good! I'd have to disagree w/ most on the "traditional western" approach. It's missing the Aaron Copland edge that has become such a staple in the genre. Maybe Kamen took that into consideration and figured he'd try something different, but I guess that's one of the reasons I like western-genre film scores. The music, however, isn't bad by any means. Gonna listen a couple more times before I make my final call!!But hey, it's Kamen, and it's still really good stuff.
Jeron
posted 08-16-2003 09:19 AM PT (US) 
Aaron Collins

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HeyAaron
[Message edited by Aaron Collins on 08-18-2003]
posted 08-18-2003 05:33 PM PT (US) 
BMikeJ

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I still haven't listened to the album yet but I went to see the movie tonight and had a good time with both the film and the score. I like the main theme. Wistful and understated, like Lonesome Dove and Unforgiven but uniquely sounding like Michael Kamen. There's a great treatment of the theme in a river crossing sequence and I hope that made it to the album... If you guys are looking for a good old fashioned Western, I recommend the movie. The big gunfight at the end is terrific and Michael Gambon makes a great heavy.
posted 08-18-2003 10:34 PM PT (US) 
Jeron

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Uhhhh... hey Aaron. How random of you to pop in! Try to do it more often, will ya???
posted 08-18-2003 11:19 PM PT (US) 
John Zimmer

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Jz
posted 08-19-2003 05:35 AM PT (US) 
Quill
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Great movie...good score.The theme worked well without being too in your face.
This is one of the few westerns that I have seen where I felt a pure sense of realism and that characters were actual people rather than caricatures. The attention to detail and the authenticity really grabbed me.
People might complain about the pace, but I would offer that the movie got the pace of the actual times just right.
posted 08-19-2003 08:09 AM PT (US) 
Howard L
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The music, however, isn't bad by any means.Wistful and understated...
The theme worked well without being too in your face.
Also, the theme just didn't stand out to me. I kept wanting to hear something more grand or memorable. But then again Kamen's never really been known for writing memorable themes.
This is one flick I have been looking forward to seeing for, among other reasons, the excellent article/review of Richard Corliss' in TIME magazine which I just happened to read earlier this evening. The first 3 comments above, however, leave me a bit apprehensive already about the score. These 'compliments' are not what I would exactly call ringing endorsements. After all, we pretty much agree that an above-average if not great/really good score can put a good picture over the top, do we not? That is why the fourth comment speaks for me in advance. I reserve the right, of course, to be pleasantly surprised. But I'm not counting on exercising said right. However...let us wait and see.
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posted 08-19-2003 09:20 PM PT (US) 
Lancelot

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If only more people would "wait and see" when it comes to such things.I know it makes more sense, but is it less fun that way, also?
posted 08-19-2003 10:24 PM PT (US) 
James

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quote:
Originally posted by Lancelot:
If only more people would "wait and see" when it comes to such things.
I know it makes more sense, but is it less fun that way, also?I think it all comes down to personal preference, really. On the one hand, going into something with an unbiased, totally open mind (something I don't know how to do, frankly) will ensure that you can judge a piece of art or entertainment solely for what it is on its own.
On the other hand, the only way a score or a film (or anything) can ever exceed expectations is to have them when you go in. And since in my view all art is subjective, it is preferable to have some sort of bias when immersing oneself in a work of art. And I do believe it is possible to have an open mind in spite of personal biases. For example, I think The Last Samurai looks like a very promising film, but I really, really dislike most of Hans Zimmer's work. But in the case of this film, I am willing to look past that on the chance that he will pull through with one of his best efforts (Beyond Rangoon is my favorite of his).
I think this is essentially what Howard was going for with his comments on Open Range. He has obvious personal biases already, but is still going in with an open (if skeptical) mind.
I'm not saying my way is better than yours, Lancelot. All I'm saying is that it's better for me. Yours is better for you, and that's perfectly fine.
Kirk
NP - Wonderland (Michael Nyman, ****)posted 08-19-2003 11:25 PM PT (US) 
Howard L
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I think this is essentially what Howard was going for with his comments on Open Range. He has obvious personal biases already, but is still going in with an open (if skeptical) mind.You have enunciated my attitude with impeccable precision. Indeed, there is always the possibility, too, of walking out afterwards with a big grin on your puss that practically cries out,
"Them critics are full of it."

[Message edited by Howard L on 08-20-2003]
posted 08-20-2003 08:55 PM PT (US) 
Rich Douglas

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I saw this film last weekend and must say that I LOVED it! Wonderful film. Granted, it ran a tad too long, some of the material could have been cut out as parts of the film were a tad slow. But, the gunfight at the end (i wont reveal too many spoilers) was wonderful and the most brutal i may have ever seen, even more so than The Wild Bunch IMO. Kamen left most of it unscored which i thought worked very well to add to the realism. It's the first gunfight ive seen in which the bullets actually had a delay (as they should with those calibers) and none of the shooters were incredible marksmen. I really can admire details like that. As for Kamens score, I thought it worked very well with what was on screen. It reminded me more of unforgiven than anything else.Rich
posted 08-20-2003 11:52 PM PT (US) 
joan hue

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I liked the movie. Interesting dialogue, magnificent cinematography, typical western
archetypes (and I’ve missed seeing the myths of the West), good acting, and a
rousing ending. It didn’t break any new ground, but I rather enjoyed revisiting
familiar territory. (No new insights, but a nice nostalgic journey.) There is
melodic main theme, but nothing that inspired me to buy the soundtrack. The music
worked in places, but it lacked what I like most in western soundtracks and that is
muscular, animated rhythms that incorporate themes.NP Straight Story
posted 08-21-2003 08:58 AM PT (US) 
Hector J. Guzman

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Do you guys think this score could get an Oscar nomination?
posted 11-22-2003 12:09 PM PT (US) 
Jeron

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It's a fine score, but I don't think it's Oscar worthy. I hope they honor him at the awards, though. He deserves a big send off.
posted 11-22-2003 12:13 PM PT (US) 
Hector J. Guzman

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Well, definetly a place in the "In Memorium" segment, I hope they don't forget about him as they did with DeForest Kelley
posted 11-22-2003 12:27 PM PT (US) Old Infopop Software by UBB
