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    Topic:   Lukas of FSM comments

     justin boggan
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    In a long, but insightful and somewhat intersting, depending on who you talk to, post, Lukas talks about releases. It is on the main page.

    So, having not been a member for over a year, I make a thread over here about what to release.

    This doesn't necessarily have to a be a FSM release thread, but what we would all liek to see in general.

    But seperate the FSM suggestions for as Lukas points out, some her cannot do. Like Universal titles. Universal couldn't hear him anyway since their head is so far up their enourmous @$$es. Nix the "DUEL" idea. And for all those who say jsut wait for the commercial release, Duel being a Universal title.....

    My FSM suggestions, not knowing which titles belong to which studio in all:

    Peyton Place - Franz Waxman - Yes I know there was an official release and a expanded re-recording, buit the complete score in a FSM treatment would be nice.

    The Ten Commandments - Elmer Bernstein - For all of you who have the 2CD boot, you know this would make an excellant choice.

    Ghostbusters - Elmer Bernstein[/b] - I hope for the day, but go for the boot. :-(

    Something Wicked This Way Comes - James Horner - One of Horner's best. Not even a official regular CD release was made. Shame

    Something Wicked This Way Comes -rejected- Georges Delerue - A wonderful score and certainly one of the best rejected scores I have heard and my favorite Delerue score I have heard to date.

    The Pursuit Of D.B. Cooper - James Horner - Probably not known by many, but a good score.

    A Few Days At Weasel Creek - James Horner - Same as the above title.

    "CHiPs" - out of the shows composers I would choose: Alan Silvestri, John Carl Parker and that episode score by Bruce Broughten - Some of the best TV music I have heard. People may not remember the show and have never seen it, or guff at the idea of the Erik Estrada show getting a score release, but when clips get put up a number of people might change their minds.
    If the official Airwolf 2CD set sells out at the high, HIGH price it was at and a Volume 2 on the way being planned and also the demand that couldn't be kept up for the Knight Rider Volume 1 before Hi-Tech Records rent belly up don't show that people like these TV show scores, then I don't know what will. Is Knight Rider more popular than "CHiPs"? I'd ask Silvestri myself, but with him scoring so many movies, having a personal life when he can and a sick child, I didn't feel right about bugging him about something that is so nonexistant compared to what he deals with.
    If FSM pays me, I'll go through all the master tapes, pick the cues and choose the order they go in.

    The Eiger Sanction - John Williams - A good score. Couple that with the different version that was released and remaster that as well and a 2CD set of this wouldn't be bad at all!

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    Other releases I would like to see:

    Jake Speed - Mark Snow - It's clearly an 80's score, but I love it. To get a complete, remastered score to this would be great.

    Magnum P.I. - Mike Post & Pete Carpenter - Some of the best TV music I have heard.

    Batman: The Animated Series - Shirley Walker's work - It's been so long since Cartoon Network has aired it that I can't speak for other composers efforts. Some EXCELLANT score in this dark, almost adult cartoon. I remember TV Guide said it would be dark, but it surprised me when it aired. I never thought something like that would be made for children.

    The X-Files - Mark Snow - I got the release back from 1996 "The Truth and the Light", but it is not nearly enought for all the excellant m,usic he composed for the show. We need a season by season score compilation. Like the MillenniuM promos and the Buffy promos. The "Scully's Theme" petition got like almost 3,000 signatures when I last checked it a long time ago. 3,000 times 20.00 a CD equals a good profit. And that petition doesn't count those who never found it, don't have internet access and other customers and future buyers since it airs on 2 different cables channels. So many more Snow fans are emerging. What is the freakin' hold up?

    Conan - Basil Poleudoris - Do I have to say more? What person who heard this wouldn't want a remastered complete score? And why hasn't it happened?

    That's all I could think of at the moment, but there are plenty more.

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    posted 11-21-2003 04:45 PM PT (US)     

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    Is there a possibility that Varese might pick up any of those?

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    posted 11-21-2003 09:46 PM PT (US)     

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    Peyton Place is a Fox film, and I think that Varese currently has first dibs on those. The DVD is coming out next year, but with the re-recording already available, I don't know if Varese would release the OST. There's also a release of about ten of the original tracks on RCA Spain.

    While it would be nice to hear The Eiger Sanction's original tracks (the OOP CD release is a re-recording as far as I know), I think Universal currently requires 10,000 copies to be pressed if a soundtrack is going to be released. I doubt this is going to be released unless that rule changes.

    As for Conan the Barbarian, I'd really like to hear a great re-recording of this instead of that crummy OST again. The performance is on the sucky side and the engineering is pretty bad as well.

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    posted 11-22-2003 11:47 AM PT (US)     

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    The late Alex North's Spartacus - A complete release and the best remaster money can buy would be lovely.

    Mad Max - Brian May - Sounds like a 70's score. I believe the movie was 1979. Am I wrong?

    Nash Bridges - Eddie Jobson - Some nice precussion work and interesting bits.

    The Simpsons - Alf Clausen - I mentioned this once and someone said there were only short cues, but it's been on the air for like 15 years and there have been a number of good sized cues and you can combine short cues with each other to make longer ones. Clausen has done some good work from episode to episode.
    alfclausen.com

    Jerry Goldsmith's Damnation Alley - The Thaxtonite over at FSM has sadi and others have reminded, that the masters no longer exist. Maybe a thorough enough search has not been done. And, sadly, if they have gone the way of the complete stereo Hawaii, then a Goldsmith conducted re-recording of the compelte score would be excellant.

    I don't think I need to mention the Indiana Jones scores.

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    Commercial CDs. Limited in pressing.

    Final Deastination/ Final Destination 2 - Shirley Walker - The first score is too underated. Select track from it and the second film and this would make an excellant CD release.

    Texas Rangers/ Texas Rangers -rejected- - Trevor Rabin/ Marco Beltrami - Both scores are not that bad. Especially Beltramis'.

    More later.

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    posted 11-22-2003 06:10 PM PT (US)     

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    [QUOTE]
    Peyton Place - Franz Waxman

    Doubt it.

    The Ten Commandments - Elmer Bernstein -

    Highly doubt it. The record is owned by Universal and the film by Paramount. Double Whammy.

    Ghostbusters - Elmer Bernstein[/b]

    Fat chance. Even Elmer's own Amber records can't get Sony to pony up the score.

    Something Wicked This Way Comes - James Horner -

    Disney wants to disown this one. I don't think Horner is far behind.

    Something Wicked This Way Comes -rejected- Georges Delerue -

    See above.

    The Pursuit Of D.B. Cooper - James Horner -

    Don't know about this one.

    A Few Days At Weasel Creek - James Horner - Same as the above title.

    Huh?

    "CHiPs" -

    You might get your wish some day.

    The Eiger Sanction - John Williams

    Universal. Hell might freeze over one day.

    Jake Speed - Mark Snow -

    Odd, but whatever suits you.

    Magnum P.I. - Mike Post & Pete Carpenter -

    Universal. Highly doubt it.

    Batman: The Animated Series - Shirley Walker's work -

    A dream that might find a home one day at LLL if we find a genie's lamp in the near future and a bucket of gold.

    The X-Files - Mark Snow -

    Sincerely doubt it. Mr Snow has been begging Fox and nothing has happened since that horrid truth and the light that came out years back. Simply put: They don't care!

    Conan - Basil Poleudoris -

    A dream of Basil's to rerecord. He has said that he hates the original recording. Anyone got a $100k to spare?

    Hope that clears up a few answers.

    MV Gerhard

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    posted 11-22-2003 09:46 PM PT (US)     

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    [QUOTE]Originally posted by justin boggan:
    The late [b]Alex North's Spartacus - A complete release and the best remaster money can buy would be lovely.

    Universal. A miracle to say the least.

    Mad Max - Brian May - Sounds like a 70's score. I believe the movie was 1979. Am I wrong?

    Tapes don't exist. I've asked.

    Nash Bridges - Eddie Jobson - Some nice precussion work and interesting bits.

    Dear lord, you must be joking?

    The Simpsons - Alf Clausen - I mentioned this once and someone said there were only short cues, but it's been on the air for like 15 years and there have been a number of good sized cues and you can combine short cues with each other to make longer ones. Clausen has done some good work from episode to episode.

    HA! Enjoy what you have and don't expect anymore of his score to be released.


    Jerry Goldsmith's Damnation Alley - The Thaxtonite over at FSM has sadi and others have reminded, that the masters no longer exist. Maybe a thorough enough search has not been done. And, sadly, if they have gone the way of the complete stereo Hawaii, then a Goldsmith conducted re-recording of the compelte score would be excellant.

    FOR THE LAST TIME: IT DOES NOT EXIST! IT DOES NOT EXIST! IT DOES NOT EXIST!

    Perhaps the invention of time travel will undue this travesty one day, but for right now IT DOES NOT EXIST!


    Commercial CDs. Limited in pressing.

    Final Deastination/ Final Destination 2 - Shirley Walker - The first score is too underated. Select track from it and the second film and this would make an excellant CD release.

    It would cost a fortune. Perhaps 10 years from now a deal can be made with the union.

    Texas Rangers/ Texas Rangers -rejected- - Trevor Rabin/ Marco Beltrami - Both scores are not that bad. Especially Beltramis'.

    The re-use it way too high. Maybe 7-10 years from now a deal can be struck. Nothing right now.

    MV Gerhard

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    posted 11-22-2003 09:50 PM PT (US)     

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    What about THE ENFORCER (Jerry Fielding)? I saw most of the film on TV last night and really liked the score.

    Isn't someone (Nick Redman, I think) trying to get MONSIGNOR (John Williams) out?

    NP: CLIFFHANGER (Trevor Jones)

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    posted 11-23-2003 01:50 AM PT (US)     

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    Thank you Mr. Gerhard for answering all of them. I was surprised that you were able to.

    Seriously, go find the movie "Jake Speed" or the LP, or the cd-r trasfer and give it a try. I didn't like it at first, but now these years later I can't understand why that was.

    I got nothing from "The Simpsons". I don't want any of those song CDs that were released.

    No, I wasn't kidding about Eddie Jobson. Come on ;-)

    disney blows.

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    Maybe, since that failed Knight Rider thing from Hi-Tech Records, another Cd release could happen?
    It can bea 2CD set - CD 1 with selected cues from Stu Phillips and CD 2 with selected cues from Don Peake.
    donpeakemusic.com


    Buffy The Vampire Slayer - season 2 score promo. - Simply put I love that CD. Why this didnt' get a release tyhose years ago and the soundtrack did, I will never understand.

    Buffy The Vampiure Slayer - Various composers - How aboput one with selections from Robert Duncan and Thomas Wanker (Who I have tried and tried to find any sort of contact info for, but failed.) and even Walter Murphy. I would be a nice listen.
    duncanmusic.com

    Some more Star Trek scores. There are a number from TNG to Enterprise that would be nice to won.
    John Debney's TNG episode, all thoswe battles scores from DS9 by Dennis McCarthy, some of Jay Chattaway's Voyager scores to his Enterprise scores: "Vanishing Point" and "Civilization. And [b]Velton Ray Bunch's "Silent Enemy" and [b]Ron Jone's "Q Who?" I have a number more I would like, but can't remember them.

    Columbo - Billy Goldenberg - I have been watching this show a few times when I can. I love it.

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    posted 11-23-2003 02:20 PM PT (US)     

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    How about Ron Jones's "Ducktales".
    ronjonesproductions.com

    and

    James L. Venable's excellant work for Samurai Jack?
    venablemusic.com

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    posted 11-23-2003 03:50 PM PT (US)     

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    [QUOTE]Originally posted by justin boggan:
    How about [b]Ron Jones's "Ducktales".
    ronjonesproductions.com

    Disney + Animated = NO WAY IN HELL UNLESS DISNEY DOES IT THEMSELVES.


    James L. Venable's excellant work for Samurai Jack?

    Cartoon Network has no interest at this time...or so we have been told.

    MV Gerhard

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    posted 11-23-2003 06:47 PM PT (US)     

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    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by justin boggan:

    Seriously, go find the movie [b]"Jake Speed"
    or the LP, or the cd-r trasfer and give it a try. I didn't like it at first, but now these years later I can't understand why that was.

    I'll check it out.

    I got nothing from "The Simpsons". I don't want any of those song CDs that were released.

    Fox TV is a strange bird. I would KILL to do a Family Guy album, but they just don't seem to care.

    Maybe, since that failed Knight Rider thing from Hi-Tech Records, another Cd release could happen?

    I wouldn't count this out. It could be a possiblity.

    Buffy The Vampire Slayer - season 2 score promo. - Simply put I love that CD. Why this didnt' get a release tyhose years ago and the soundtrack did, I will never understand.

    Once again -- FOX. Many have tried, all have failed. It took Joss Whedon himself to practically go in at gun point and make them give the okay on the musical album.

    Some more Star Trek scores.

    Now this is a very touchy issue and since Trek is beyond dead and buried to invest the time and money into such a costly project, particuliarly for any trek show that is not the original series, would almost be suicide. Hell, GNP doesn't even want to do anymore 'cus the sales just aren't there for Trek.

    Maybe a resurgence in Trek will happen years from now and Paramount will let some company do these scores. Only time shall tell.


    Columbo - Billy Goldenberg - I have been watching this show a few times when I can. I love it.[/B]<HR size=1></blockquote>

    I believe this rests with Universal. It has very, very limited appeal and I doubt it would sell well. When dealing with old tv shows either do genre driven shows like Westerns or Sci-Fi or release scores by Williams or Goldsmith. Other than that, TV is a hard sell with dozens of hours of music to go through. TIME + COST = BARELY BREAK EVEN...if you're lucky.

    Please keep in mind a company is lucky to sell 1000 units of a lot of these titles, let alone 3000. When you add up the time involved, the royalties, and the actual cost of producing these things a company is lucky to break even so they can go ahead and do the next project.

    Stop and consider this: Only 3 FSM titles have sold out, 2 Varese titles and that is it. There are less than 500 Predator left. And less than 500 Lethal Weapons left. Dark Crystal, I believe is approaching less than 1000 left on it's 5000 run, but don't quote me on that. Those that have sold out are HUGE titles that fans have been waiting for. All the others sell a few here and there.

    Sample Titles that would be worth it for a company to go after are:

    BACK TO THE FUTURE
    GOONIES
    GHOSTBUSTERS
    HEAVY METAL
    BLACK SUNDAY
    GREMLINS

    Those are the kind of titles a company should go after to get a blockbuster release. There are 100's of other scores that are worth releasing, but will they sell 1000 units? 2000 units? 3000 units? Who knows! When coming up with these suggestions please try and think with your wallet as well as your heart.

    Out of all of your suggestions only Batman The Animated Series would be worth going after because it fills all the check boxes for a successful release.

    Please keep in mind that this is based soley on business and not on passion for the music. Look at Varese releases: They usually have 1 or two really great titles, one so-so one that has good music and then one that makes you scratch your head. Alex North, as wonderful as he is, simply doesn't sell. Predator more than paid for Wonderful Country as well as Story of Ruth.

    Same thing goes for FSM. Last month FSM came out with UNCLE Vol 2 and Brothers Karamazov. The sales from Uncle will pay for Kazmarov. So, doing Karamazov is more of a labor of love than a moneymaker.

    Hopefully this explains a few trade secrets about the film score world to you.

    MV Gerhard

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    posted 11-23-2003 07:00 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by La La Land Records:
    Anyone got a $100k to spare?

    If I did, I'd get myself The Philadelphia Orchestra to do some Alfred Newman.

    Why $100k though? Couldn't Conan be done for $5 or so in Prague? I hear there's a virtuoso high school band there that records and plays like crap for a small fee.

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    posted 11-23-2003 07:01 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Dinko:
    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by La La Land Records:
    [b]Anyone got a $100k to spare?
    <HR size=1></blockquote>

    If I did, I'd get myself The Philadelphia Orchestra to do some Alfred Newman.

    Why $100k though? Couldn't Conan be done for $5 or so in Prague? I hear there's a virtuoso high school band there that records and plays like crap for a small fee. [/B]



    Dude, twinkies and coke are really expensive over there.

    MV gerhard

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    posted 11-23-2003 07:16 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by La La Land Records:

    Dude, twinkies and coke are really expensive over there.

    MV gerhard[/B]


    So don't pay them in recess barter.

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    posted 11-23-2003 07:21 PM PT (US)     

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    Remember, Dinko, it's $5 per musician, so the fee would probably be like $500 to record Conan!

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    posted 11-23-2003 08:41 PM PT (US)     

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    Oh darn! I forgot about that per musician thing.

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    posted 11-24-2003 05:29 AM PT (US)     

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    How about:

    All of Henry Mancini's Pink Panther scores complete and remastered?

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    posted 12-10-2003 05:26 PM PT (US)     

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    I'd love to see a release of Alien. Not a day goes by where I don't hope for a release of Back to The Future, but Universal are acting like Pog enthusiasts and not licensing it to any one (same said for the awesome scores to Ghostbusters and Stripes care of Sony).

    Conan would be fantastic. 'The Battle of The Mounds' in 24 bit digital sound makes me happy merely in thought alone.

    Here's one though...The Wind And The Lion remastered!!!


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    posted 12-10-2003 05:47 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by jonathan_little:
    Peyton Place is a Fox film, and I think that Varese currently has first dibs on those. The DVD is coming out next year, but with the re-recording already available, I don't know if Varese would release the OST. There's also a release of about ten of the original tracks on RCA Spain.

    While it would be nice to hear The Eiger Sanction's original tracks (the OOP CD release is a re-recording as far as I know), I think Universal currently requires 10,000 copies to be pressed if a soundtrack is going to be released. I doubt this is going to be released unless that rule changes.

    As for Conan the Barbarian, I'd really like to hear a great re-recording of this instead of that crummy OST again. The performance is on the sucky side and the engineering is pretty bad as well.


    If peyton place is on RCA Spain, would that mean RCA in America would have the rights also?

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    posted 12-10-2003 06:14 PM PT (US)     

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    Michael, I know a title I would like to see released one day..not sure how much re-use fees would be on this one. But it's a title alot of people I know would liek to see.
    A complete/expanded copy of Wes Craven's New Nightmare. I think that is the best Elm Street score and J. Peter Robinson does a great job. The problem with the OST is that almost all the music from the last 15 minutes of them in freddy's world is missing. Some of the best music in from those scenes and the cd only has about 4 minutes with only one good cue from it.
    I would really like to see a release of that.

    Jeff

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    posted 12-10-2003 06:31 PM PT (US)     

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    What about a release to the first or fourth Police Academy movie.. or maybe a compilation of the whole series of movies.

    Jeff

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    posted 12-10-2003 06:32 PM PT (US)     

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    Ah, here it is:

    http://www.petitiononline.com/xfmusic/petition.html

    So, is it FOX that is keeping me from what I want?

    I have a chance in a few days to talk to someone that has a lot of money. This individual spent 60,000 on his indoor swimming pool alone.
    I am going to speka to him about money and how I want to release scores and he just might help me. I just might start a small record label and make limited releases + I shall bother all those studios till my death repeatedly until they cave in. I got nothing better to do after all.

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    posted 12-23-2003 02:35 PM PT (US)     

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    No studio would do business with you, Justin.

    Merry Christmas!
    Ryan

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    posted 12-23-2003 03:42 PM PT (US)     

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    Two titles I would like to see come out are a more complete Road Warrior score and The Black Hole.

    The Road Warrior CD is terrible. Most of the best music is left off and you get an fx track which is a repeat of the Truck Chase. In fact, even the Truck Chase is missing many great cues.

    I've only heard of one Black Hole CD and it was an expensive import that also featured Howard The Duck. I would love to see an exclusive Black Hole CD. That is one of those cases where the music is so much better than the film IMHO. However, I like the film more than most.

    Mythos

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    posted 12-26-2003 11:40 PM PT (US)     

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    I will certainly keep The Black Hole in mind, IF I get any money and/or deal going with the individual. Not because I like that score, far from it, but rather that I have seen a number of people asking for it and it would be a nice way to make some money and get a quick pay off.

    What ryan? What? I can't hear you. Your butt is too far up your @$$.

    [Message edited by justin boggan on 12-29-2003]

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