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    Topic:   ROTK Score CD - What goes where

     franz_conrad
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    I had this email from someone who didn't want to post directly. I'd have to see the film again to see how correct it is, but it rings true:

    quote:
    Email from 'David':
    you may want to mention on the moviemusic.com blog for ROTK soundtrack that

    Track 15: The Black Gate Opens
    1:01 - 1:40 Beautiful flute piece starts, as Sam tries to raise Frodo's spirits by speaking of the Shire. I think this flute piece is a stroke of genius from Shore, because when you hear it on screen, you immediately realise that it signifies how small, hopeless and lonely the two hobbits are, faced with this huge, daunting task.

    is (i think) the close up with the hand held camera as Frodo is crawling up the mountain by himself after he and Sam collapse, not the discussion of the shire (the use of the handheld camera, one of the few in the entire trilogy, and the flute solo, also one of the few in the trilogy, work together to show the hopelessness of the hobbits).


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    posted 01-01-2004 05:14 PM PT (US)     

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    I was just wondering in regards to the the song "Into the west" if anyone has caught on to the fact that it is loosley inspired by Tolkien's very own lyrics. In my book they are listed as page 252 if you wish yourself to read them.

    Obviously Into the west is more flushed out but you’ll see certain similarities between the two.

    This is Sung by Legolas, "The Field of Cormallen."

    To the sea to the sea the white gulls are crying..

    The wind is blowing.. And the white foam is flying.

    West, west away, the round sun is falling.

    Grey ship Grey ship do you hear them calling..

    The voices of my people that have gone before me.

    I will leave, I will leave the woods that bore me;

    For our days are ending and our years are failing.

    Long are the waves on the Last Shore falling.

    Sweet are the voices of the Lost isle calling,

    In Ellressea, in Elvenhome that no man can discover,

    Where the leaves fall not: land of my people forever.

    And of course the closing title song Into the West.

    Lay down
    your sweet and weary head
    Night is falling,
    you have come to journey's end.
    Sleep now,
    and dream of the ones who came before.
    They are calling
    from across the distant shore.

    Why do weep? What are these tears upon your face?
    Soon you will see
    all of your fears will pass away,
    safe in my arms
    you're only sleeping.

    What can you see
    on the horizon?
    Why do the white gulls call?
    Across the sea
    a pale moon rises --
    The ships have come to carry you home.

    Dawn will turn
    to silver glass
    A light on the water
    All souls pass.

    Hope fades
    into the world of night
    through shadows falling
    out of memory and time.
    Don't say,
    "We have come now to the end."
    White shores are calling
    you and I will meet again.

    And you'll be here in my arms
    Just sleeping.

    What can can you see
    on the horizon?
    Why do the white gulls call?
    Across the sea
    a pale moon rises --
    The ships have come to carry you home.

    And all will turn
    to silver glass
    A light on the water
    Grey ships pass
    Into the west.


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    posted 01-02-2004 10:11 AM PT (US)     

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    I just went to see ROTK for the third time today and listened closely for the cue that we hear in Track 6 at 1:28--1:58 and again in Track 9 at 1:19, the one we've been calling the Carahdras theme. These cues are simply not there. I guess we'll all have to wait for the EE to find out whether they were written to accompany scenes that were cut for the theatrical release but will be reinstated (keeping my fingers crossed!).

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    posted 01-03-2004 08:54 PM PT (US)     

     Camillu
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    Got another viewing today, and paid particular attention to a couple of scenes, so as to spruce up the listing.

    I mostly added detail and changed bits of the tracks 'Anduril' and 'Ash and Smoke'.

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    posted 01-07-2004 07:12 AM PT (US)     

     Lady of Lorien
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    I'm so excited to have discovered this site and this thread in particular. There are others obsessed with the LOTR scores, as I am! I hope the rumor on the complete score coming out on CD turns out to be true.

    I'm amazed at how much detail you all have compiled already. To get this much information from theatre viewings is very impressive.

    After reading this, I've seen the film again, and looked for particular things mentioned.

    In Track 14 at 0:41 - Faramir's theme. The movie intercuts between the scene with Aragorn talking with the army of the dead and a scene with Faramir, although I can't remember which one. Either where he reenters Minas Tirith, or where Denethor is preparing to burn them both.

    At some point before 1:43, I think the music turns back to the Aragorn scene because it seems to be a subtle version of his theme.

    Track 15, 0:51 The first quiet recorder music is where Frodo is crawling and then collapses.
    2:03 is where Sam goes to Frodo and gathers him in his arms and looks around at the desolate landscape.
    2:28 I think this is where Sam tries to lift Frodo's spirits by talking of the Shire. The part where Frodo replies is not on the CD. The music turns much darker there.

    Track 16, 2:13 I believe this is where the tower of Sauron begins to topple.

    Track 18, 2:19 Interesting - the theory is that it's the same music as when Gandalf the Grey fell. Could be... I was thinking that it was a much more subdued version of the music that always signaled the end of each film (FOTR - starts as Frodo hears Gandalf's voice by the riverbank. TTT - during Sam's monologue at Osgiliath), but it's a bit different here. The chord progressions are very similar, so either theory could be correct. Guess we'll have to ask Howard Shore.

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    posted 01-08-2004 09:56 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Lady of Lorien:
    Track 18, 2:19 Interesting - the theory is that it's the same music as when Gandalf the Grey fell. Could be... I was thinking that it was a much more subdued version of the music that always signaled the end of each film (FOTR - starts as Frodo hears Gandalf's voice by the riverbank. TTT - during Sam's monologue at Osgiliath), but it's a bit different here. The chord progressions are very similar, so either theory could be correct. Guess we'll have to ask Howard Shore.

    I actually think the music that signals the end of each film, and also appears in Moria when Gandalf and Frodo talk, is 'Frodo's theme', and that the instrumental underscore to the lament for Gandalf in the Dimrill Dale is a variation of sorts on that theme. So in a way, both arguments could be correct. As for the music in track 14 - that rendition of Faramir's theme was cut from the film I think.

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    posted 01-08-2004 03:32 PM PT (US)     

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    I mentioned this on the scorereviews.com forum before I realized this was the original forum to post on. When Eowyn is with her dying uncle on the Fields of the Pellenor there is hint of a fiddle (hardinger? violin?) playing something akin to the Rohan theme. Just lovely.

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    posted 01-10-2004 07:02 PM PT (US)     

     franz_conrad
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    quote:
    Originally posted by redtwo:
    I mentioned this on the scorereviews.com forum before I realized this was the original forum to post on. When Eowyn is with her dying uncle on the Fields of the Pellenor there is hint of a fiddle (hardinger? violin?) playing something akin to the Rohan theme. Just lovely.

    H


    See this list of the missing music from the film. The music that plays during Theoden's death scene is very similar to what plays at their parting at Dunharrow earlier in the film. While I've only heard it twice, I seem to recall this was not a version of either the Rohan or Eowyn themes.
    http://www.moviemusic.com/mb/Forum1/HTML/012226.html

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    posted 01-10-2004 07:13 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by franz_conrad:
    See this list of the missing music from the film. The music that plays during Theoden's death scene is very similar to what plays at their parting at Dunharrow earlier in the film. While I've only heard it twice, I seem to recall this was not a version of either the Rohan or Eowyn themes.
    http://www.moviemusic.com/mb/Forum1/HTML/012226.html

    Yeah, I read this and saw that it was mentioned about not on the soundtrack and while I hear the strings, there is something else there. A small hint of the Rohan fiddle/hardinger. Of course, I have only heard it twice also.

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    posted 01-10-2004 07:54 PM PT (US)     

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    is there something like this for the Fellowship of the ring? i think this list is amozing! i just saw the film. with the music on a CD and this list i feel like i am watching the movie again!

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    posted 01-11-2004 09:51 AM PT (US)     

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    is there something like this for the Fellowship of the ring?

    Here's one: http://www.geocities.com/a_magpies_nest/id23.htm

    [Message edited by Magpie on 01-11-2004]

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    posted 01-11-2004 10:00 AM PT (US)     

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    GREAT job Camillu! Just when I thought I wouldn't stop crying during the film, I come home to listen to the cd while reading this and low and behold... it all starts again! They're dropping now as I type this.

    Awesome music to a fantastically epic and brilliant film.

    Awesome job Camillu!!!!

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    posted 01-16-2004 07:24 PM PT (US)     

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    "The Black Gate Opens" should be re-titled "The Horses Disappear." Just my two cents.

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    posted 01-16-2004 11:46 PM PT (US)     

     Camillu
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    LOL.

    That's got to be the most fun goof in ages.

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    posted 01-17-2004 05:53 AM PT (US)     

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    'Hope Fails' could equally be called 'Gandalf's staff disappears'. (Which first goes missing in the Pyre of Denathor scene.)

    And were Sam's confrontation with the three/four orcs of Cirith Ungol on the CD, we might call that one 'The Fourth Orc Disappears'.

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    posted 01-17-2004 06:14 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by franz_conrad:
    'Hope Fails' could equally be called 'Gandalf's staff disappears'. (Which first goes missing in the Pyre of Denathor scene.)

    At least, this way he can't magically flip it within milliseconds as he does when entering Meduseld.

    NP: The Adventures of Robin Hood (Korngold; Morgan, Stromberg; DVD-A)

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    posted 01-17-2004 06:27 PM PT (US)     

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    [quote] Originally posted by Camillu:
    >>> Multiple Spoilers, of course <<<
    Track 3: Minas Tirith
    0:28 - 0:54 Eerie marching music as the orcs cross the river ala Saving Private Ryan.
    [/b]<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

    It took me a while to realise it, but this is actually an upside-down performance of the 'Circling Melody', a motif often associated with the Black Riders in the first film. If you want to hear this motif in its right-way-up version, listen to the FOTR album track 'The Black Rider', 2:30-end.

    [Message edited by franz_conrad on 01-19-2004]

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    posted 01-19-2004 07:55 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Jeron:
    "The Black Gate Opens" should be re-titled "The Horses Disappear." Just my two cents.

    Huh? Is this in reference to the people Aragorn leads to the gate? I'm trying to remember if I did actually see any horses in the scene once the Orcs rushed them... interesting.

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    posted 01-20-2004 07:40 AM PT (US)     

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    Very detailed analysis. I'm not sure how to use the quote, so I can just post some opinion here:
    Track 10: Anduril
    0:00-1:15 I think the beautiful and long choir, which is a miracle version (I think it sound likes a miracle) of Rivendell theme, didn't appear in the film. When the two elves were recasting the sword, a string version substitute for it.

    Track 13: The Fields of the Pelennor
    1:20-1:47 The pounding music is used when
    the Gondor soldiers and the orcs throwing stones to each other. It sounds like a part in "The Bridge of Khazad Dum"(2:08-2:55), but I don't understand why. Then the scene and music continued as the Nazgul desend to Minas Tirith.
    The powerful choir (1:47-2:32)is a variation of "The Prophecy", which is in the FoTR soundtrack but not used in the film.
    The choir may be a part which was originally planned to be used in the opening of FoTR,
    but the "powerful" choir appear in the opening of the film was the choir for Nazgul,
    as we heard in track.3-8 in FoTR soundtrack.
    However, it seems the choir of "The Prophecy"
    (1:28-2:11) is related to the same scene where choir for Nazgul is used in the opening of FoTR. So I think Shore made this choir have a chance to appear again when Nazgul show their horrifying power. And the choir in 2:33-2:52 I think it's like a variation of which is in 2:53-3:00 of "Flight to the Ford"(FoTR Track.8)

    The Nature theme appears when the Rohirrim
    arrives the fields of Pelennor, and it becomes a very strong string(?) version.
    I think Shore use this theme in two different
    motif, one is for the nature, the other is for the courage of Rohirrim. It first gives us such a hint in TTT, when Theoden decided to face the enemy outside the Hornburg.
    When I first saw there, I thought it was just a coincidence. But after seeing RoTK, I
    believe this theme is also used to express
    "courage and decision".

    Track 15: The Black Gate Opens
    3:31-4:01 I remembered there's a obvious choir in the version used in the film, and that made this part sounds more astounding in the film.

    Please forgive my poor English if my grammar and description is bad.

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    posted 01-25-2004 03:00 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Track 17: The Return of the King
    8:12 - 8:23 Not in the film.

    I'm not sure about this one but I guess it's heard when the 4 hobbits dressed in armour nod to Mr.Proudfoot.


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    posted 02-15-2004 04:04 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Knight wrote: The Nature theme appears when the Rohirrim
    arrives the fields of Pelennor, and it becomes a very strong string(?) version.
    I think Shore use this theme in two different
    motif, one is for the nature, the other is for the courage of Rohirrim. It first gives us such a hint in TTT, when Theoden decided to face the enemy outside the Hornburg.
    When I first saw there, I thought it was just a coincidence. But after seeing RoTK, I
    believe this theme is also used to express
    "courage and decision".
    There's a nice discussion of the Nature Theme in this thread: http://www.moviemusic.com/mb/Forum1/HTML/012029.html
    Be sure to follow Franz_Conrad's link to his TTT analysis, because he made some great comments there about what this theme might represent.

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    posted 02-15-2004 07:59 AM PT (US)     
     

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