The topic is, of course, Shore's music for Middle Earth.

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Major missing music from ROTK album follows. See also Camillu's notes on the same topic here: http://www.moviemusic.com/mb/Forum1/HTML/012207.html

(I believe the solo voice passage for the Eagles' rescue is included in the track 'The End of All Things')

This list is not intended to be comprehensive. Some of them I’m not sure what the music was, but I do remember an unreleased section of music:

Missing Music:

· Statement of the Ring Seduction as Deagol considers the Ring. The rest of the opening sequence is sound effects dominated.

· The ‘Return of the King’ title cue, covering the action of the film from Sam awakening in Ithilien until Aragorn et al enter Isengard includes statements of the History of the Ring, Gondor, Fellowship and Journey themes, the latter making its first appearance since ‘The Mirror of Galadriel’ in FOTR.

· For the return to Edoras, we have a lovely fiddle (doesn’t sound like a hardanger) statement of the Rohan theme and nice non-thematic material for the feast. As Eowyn salutes Aragorn ‘Westu Aragorn hal!’ and has the exchange with her uncle, we hear parts of her theme.

· Strident statement of Sauron’s theme as Pippin looks into the Palantir.

· Variations on the Stinker/Cymbalom and Slinker/Gollum themes are heard during Gollum’s inner debate at the pool of water.

· The Rivendell and History of Gondor themes are heard in an arrangement similar to the album track ‘Anduril’ as Narsil is reforged. The History of Gondor theme continues as we see Gandalf and Pippin riding towards Minas Tirith. We hear a quick version of the Fellowship theme, followed by the Gondor theme.

· String performance of the 5/4 time beat used in the Morgul theme is heard as the Morgul host first bursts across the bridge to Minas Morgul.

· Some light material before we make the transition to the ‘Beacon Lighting’ cue section included in the album track ‘The White Tree’.

· Reprise of the Nature and Rohan themes as the muster of Rohan sounds and Thengel’s son rides to dark Dunharrow in the dim morning with thane and captain.

· Emotion-filled cue for the scene between Faramir and Denethor before Faramir leads a suicide charge against the Morgul host. May contain fragments of the Faramir/Denethor theme.

· Stinker/Cymbalom theme heard as Gollum plants the lembas crumbs on Sam.

· Brief fiddle coda to Pippin’s song is heard as Gandalf is seen in the street in some despair after Faramir’s charge.

· Plaintive fiddle reprise of Eowyn’s theme as Aragorn leaves her at Dunharrow.

· Sombre Fellowship theme as the three hunters take the Dimholt road.

· Sad string / horn passage as Eowyn and Theoden farewell at Dunharrow.

· Reappearance of the Lothlorien theme for Galadriel’s appearance to Frodo.

· Some Shelob action material from both attacks.

· Reprise of the Nature and Rohan themes as the Rohirrim ride into battle on the Pelennor.

· Though I can’t remember what happened here musically, the album misses a fair bit of the music for the Pyre of Denethor. (The treatment of that scene was a little bit of a copout! And where was the palantir that would explain the Steward’s farsightedness? Strangely enough, from this scene onwards, Gandalf’s staff is not seen until Aragorn’s crowning. He gives Denethor a bit of a battering using a spear taken from the local guards.)

· First appearance of the Theme of the West (aka Grey Havens theme) as Pippin and Gandalf talk about life after death.

· Oliphaunt/Rohirrim battle.

· Eowyn/Witch King battle.

* Reprise of softer material for Eowyn and Theoden as she says farewell.

· The Army of the Dead arrives (washing over the enemy forces like green detergent) – statements of the Fellowship, Gondor and Aragorn themes throughout this section.

· Action piece as Legolas downs an Oliphaunt – some of the thrilling brass from the ‘Lighting of the Beacons’ cue (see album track ‘The White Tree’) is heard.

· Martial piece containing the Gondor and Aragorn themes as Aragorn leads the Host of the West out of Minas Tirith.

· Choral version of the Fellowship theme as Aragorn and the rest of the Fellowship run forward at the Black Gate.

· Impressive choral action music for the Sam/Gollum struggle, intercut with the Nazgul’s arrival at the Black Gate.

· Reprise of the Nature theme (Yes, definitely the Nature theme here) as the Moth appears moments before the Eagles enter at the Black Gate.

· Reprise of the pennywhistle theme from ‘The Black Gate is Open’ as Sam pulls Frodo back up towards the ledge.

· First appearance of the Fourth Age theme as the Host of the West cheers to see Frodo’s victory. This theme is heard in the album track ‘Return of the King’ as the camera tracks up and over Minas Tirith to reveal Aragorn’s coronation.

· Reprise of Frodo’s theme and instrumental version of the ‘Eagle’s Rescue’ as Frodo and Sam crouch on the slopes of Mount Doom.

· String material as Frodo narrates his continuing pain years after the tale.

· Extended Grey Havens music for Frodo’s farewell to Sam, Merry and Pippin includes an extended variation of Frodo’s theme. The statement of the West theme as the last ship takes sail is longer than on the album cue.

· Pastoral/hobbit-like music for Sam’s return to Bagshot Row.

· Reprise of the Fourth Age theme as the end credits open before we segue to ‘Into the West’.

Some important missing moments that have occurred to me over the last few days:

* one unreleased statement of the Gondor theme during the battle at Osgiliath.
* the statement of the Ring theme that appears when Gollum sees the Ring around Frodo's neck on the Winding Stair.
* the soft string/horn writing for both farewells between Theoden and Eowyn, at Dunharrow and on the Pelennor.
* the reprises of the Descending Third motif and Witch King/Morgul host motifs as the Siege Towers advance on Minas Tirith and later as the assault begins.
* I think both the Ring and Stinker/Cymbalom motifs are heard when Frodo beats Gollum.
* a unique heroic version of the Shire theme as Sam dispatches a few orcs in Cirith Ungol.

Doubtless there are many others I haven't though of. I have not even begun to mention the music from the missing scenes, of which there are many.

Music that appears on the album, but not the film:

· Both statements of the Caradhras motif, both in ‘Cirith Ungol’ and ‘Minas Morgul’, are excluded from the film, as is the closing passage of ‘Cirith Ungol’.

· The second half of ‘A Storm is Coming’, with its attractive intertwining of the Sauron, Ring Seduction and Descending Third motifs isn’t anywhere to be heard.

· The statement of the Faramir/Denethor theme in ‘Hope Fails’ doesn’t appear in the film.

* Part of 'The End of All Things', immediately following the cue where Frodo and Gollum go over the edge, doesn't appear in the film, replaced by sound effects for the destruction of the Ring.

· The variation on the Fellowship theme heard at the end of ‘Hope and Memory’.

I suspect as in the second film, some of the darker Ring-related music was lost to the eerie distorted female soprano sound effect used frequently in both films.

Surprises:

· ‘Hope Fails’, with the exception of the plaintive statement of the Faramir/Denethor theme in the middle of it, is largely drawn from the scene where Aragorn summons the oathbreakers. The surprising bit is that Aragorn’s name, Estel, means ‘hope’, and you could say that ‘hope succeeds’ here rather than fails.

· Aragorn’s theme appears with the Gondor theme as Gandalf and Pippin ride through Minas Tirith. Perhaps it isn’t so surprising, since Gandalf described it as ‘the city of Kings’ moments before, and Aragorn is the heir to that throne.

· The statement of the ‘West’ theme at the end of the track ‘The Black Gate Opens’ accompanies the scene where Sam carries Frodo up the mountain.

· The variation on Sauron’s theme that is heard as the Dark Tower collapses (see album track ‘The End of All Things’) was first heard in TTT:EE when Gandalf and Aragorn talk about Sauron’s fear of the heir of Isilduir.

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[Message edited by franz_conrad on 12-28-2003]

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Originally posted by John Zimmer:
I suspect downloading but I'm not going to point fingers.

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Mmmm... that must be the PC way to risk an insult like that... No piracy here gentlemen. I saw the film twice on Boxing Day when it came out in Australia. The first time I did all the crying business, the second I just payed very close attention to everything, including the music. Not close enough it seems, because I've just remembered another missing moment from the film:

* Militaristic version of the Shire theme as Sam runs up the tower of Cirith Ungol and slays some maggots.

NP Fellowship of the Ring

And I must have that cue when Legolas takes down the oliphaunt! I noticed more on my 2nd viewing, esp its similarity to the beaonc lighting cue, but it is stellar and needs to be on disc!

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Originally posted by TV's Frank:
It's amazing to me that in a film with 3 hours of music, there were some cues dropped which ended up on the album instead. How odd, that didn't happen with the first two albums.

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Originally posted by SplbrgWlms:
i love this score, but was disappointed to find out that the synth portion that was used as the ring was falling with gollum into the lava was not on the disc. i thought that was really cool.

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Is that the synthetic female voice that often appears when the Ring does? If so, it's more a sound effect than a musical device, and I suspect Shore doesn't consider it part of his score.

The plan currently is to release all these rarities--bits of music that were altered or cut or whatever--along with the boxed set.

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Originally posted by Doug Adams:
There was actually quite a bit of music written for each film that never made it to theaters ...Two Towers had a song for Arwen that never appeared anywhere...

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I've heard of this song for Arwen sung by Liv Tyler. I remember in one interview with Peter Jackson, he allowed for the possibility that it would the flagship song for the third film. I'm not sure how true that thought was, but it must have been before Annie Lennox's involvement.

Still, if we're lucky it may appear yet in ROTK:EE. I find it hard to believe there are no Arwen scenes for practically two and a half hours of the finished film...

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Shore was often writing--especially in the case of ROTK--as the film was being edited, but instead of hacking and slashing the recordings, if something changed, he'd go back and write new music. That's part of the reason these films included three months of nearly non-stop recording sessions, as opposed to the week or so usually afforded.
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Originally posted by franz_conrad:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by Doug Adams:
[b]There was actually quite a bit of music written for each film that never made it to theaters ...Two Towers had a song for Arwen that never appeared anywhere... <HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

I've heard of this song for Arwen sung by Liv Tyler. I remember in one interview with Peter Jackson, he allowed for the possibility that it would the flagship song for the third film. I'm not sure how true that thought was, but it must have been before Annie Lennox's involvement.

Still, if we're lucky it may appear yet in ROTK:EE. I find it hard to believe there are no Arwen scenes for practically two and a half hours of the finished film...

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Shore was often writing--especially in the case of ROTK--as the film was being edited, but instead of hacking and slashing the recordings, if something changed, he'd go back and write new music. That's part of the reason these films included three months of nearly non-stop recording sessions, as opposed to the week or so usually afforded.
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Do you know if Shore wrote music for the unused sequence where Arwen and Elrond travel to Rivendell for a Second Council of Elrond. This sequence would also have featured Arwen looking into the mirror and seeing a vision of Aragorn in danger at Helm's Deep. I think a segment of footage from it, where the camera tracks down to Arwen in a red dress lying on a sofa, appears to make it into the ROTK in Aragorn's dream.[/B]

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The scene for which Arwen's Song was written is in ROTK, but the scene did not ultimately use the song. (There's a long and involved explanation, but in the bald faced interest of self promotion, I'll just say read the January issue of Film Score Monthly.) Don't know about the other scene you mention.

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Originally posted by Doug Adams:
(There's a long and involved explanation, but in the bald faced interest of self promotion, I'll just say read the January issue of Film Score Monthly.) Don't know about the other scene you mention.

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