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Maurizio

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Dear all fellow, film music lovers...I'm writing this message to all of you because I've started toying with an idea that’s lurking in my mind from some days, but 'til now I've never found the proper time to lay down it in a concrete way. It's an idea for trying to realize something real to celebrate, in the best way, one of best, if not THE best, film composer of all time and his music: John Williams.
I've noticed that the film music community over the internet is now quite large community and a very well organized one. And maybe it's arrived the time to use this appreciationship in the best and productive way we can.
I was chatting with my brother about John Williams the other day and suddenly I realized this: so far, NOBODY tried to realize a long, well-made film documentary about John Williams and his art. Nothing exists like this. We're talking about one of the greatest, most-famous composer of our time, probably the most famous one, the author of countless great film scores and maybe the real "Number One" of film music.
With the advent of the DVD format, things started to change. Now we can see and hear Williams interviewed in many documentaries and featurettes. But they're always scant 5-6 minute interviews, sometimes less or sometimes more. How cool and great would be to see a 2-hour long documentary that shows all the creative process of the Maestro, from the spotting sessions with the director, to the writing and orchestration, to the final scoring sessions, all this intercut with an interview with him? How cool and great would be to see some archival material from old scoring sessions, to see Williams at work with directors and musicians, intercut with clips from films he scored? How cool and great would be to see a well-made, career-retrospective interview with Williams? I think that all John Williams fans and all film music aficionados would kill to see something like this.
When I saw that great BBC documentary on Williams during the recording sessions of THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK, I immediately thought "God, how great would it be to see something like this, only longer and maybe even better!". Steven Spielberg said in an interview that he shot with his Super8/camcorder all of the scoring sessions of his movies. And I only imagine how much archival footage exists in some Hollywood vaults about Williams... maybe not a big load, but I'm sure there are many things very interesting.
So, my idea is this: let’s start a petition/proposal about it and launch the gauntlet! Let hear to the people who counts that a DVD Documentary on John Williams HAS to be made!
Now I’m using this Message Board to explain this idea to you, beacuse I want to know your thoughts and comments about it. I posted the same message on various film music forums around the ‘net and I want to send it also to Williams-cross related websites like SpielbergFilms.com, TheForce.Net etc. The real great thing would be to form a “joint venture” of all film music websites, with support and association with other type of websites related and also with support from film music record labels like Varèse Sarabande, Intrada… maybe asking also the help of people like Nick Redman, Robert Townson and Mike Matessino. It’s important to find as much subscription and support as possible and make it very strong.
And then turn this idea/petition to the people who can realize such an idea and that are close to Williams' camp, like Sony Classical, DreamWorks, LucasFilm, the John Williams’ agency, maybe Steven Spielberg himself... can you imagine a Spielberg-directed documentary on Williams?
Yes, I know these are HUGE corporate companies and almost unreachable personalities. But we can try, we could reach a person like Laurent Bouzereau (Spielberg's documentarian), maybe he's the right man to do a thing like this. Realizing a documentary like the one we dream would cost a lot of money, a lot of time for research and it's not an easy task to do. And I think that only companies and personalities like these have the means and the money to do it.
What I think is very important is trying to sensibilize people that it's so important to do such a tribute to John Williams while he's still alive and well. It would be very sad to see something like this only when the Maestro will be no longer with us.
The JW Fan community and the film music fans community in general are quite big now and would be amazing if we use our "power" trying to do something like this. It's also using the strength of the internet. Do you remember all the “Episode I Ultimate Edition Soundtrack” fuss? It's evident that Sony realized through the internet how profitable could be such a realization. Too bad it turned out in a horrible, bad-made release.
I know... maybe I'm mad, maybe I'm only a dreamer. I know also that it's quite a daunting task to realize. But let me said this to you: thanks to the internet and to the will of iron of some of us, I knew some wonderful people (whom now I can call friends) and started to do something that seemed impossbile at first: we founded the first and lonely Italian film music magazine, COLONNE SONORE. We have realized and printed four issues so far, the things are going well and seem to grow. Sometimes things are less impossible and unreachable that we could imagine.
I’m convinced that realizing a documentary about John Williams is not only a way to celebrate the Maestro, but also it’s a great testament for future generations of film music and cinema lovers. And it would be an amazing contribute to film history and literature.
I think it's time to honor and pay tribute to John Williams and his music as fans and a documentary would be a great thing. Trying to gather some interest in it would cost us nothing, maybe only some of our spare time. And this is the bare minimum we can do to pay tribute to a man that gave us such wonderful emotions.
I would be grateful if all of you will share your thoughts and maybe will have some ideas about it. Then I’ll try to write a petition and -- I hope with the help of all the people who want to support this idea – I’ll start to spread the word wherever it could be heard.
Thank you for reading, guys!!
Sincerely,
Maurizio Caschetto
--posted 02-24-2004 01:17 PM PT (US) 
TV's Frank

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It would be a great idea I would like to see come to fruition, but if it is produced by an independent or even several independents, then the cost of the film clips and film score recordings would be enormous, especially for the big films Williams has scored (Star Wars, Indy Jones, Harry Potter). The amount of capital required would have to come from many sources, but hopefully one day we would see this occur.[Message edited by TV's Frank on 02-24-2004]
posted 02-24-2004 01:43 PM PT (US) 
PeterK

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Good idea.After all, John Williams is more famous than John Lennon.... at least according to BMI. Check out the top logo of BMI's website:
http://www.bmi.com/images/header_blue_neon.jpgEveryone in the picture gets a first name, and when two Johns showed up, Maestro Williams was labelled with his first name, John Lennon got the second-rate last name.
Fancy!
posted 02-24-2004 03:50 PM PT (US) 
PeterK

FishChip

And by the way, doesn't John look real good in between Britney and Jennifer?
posted 02-24-2004 03:52 PM PT (US) 
John Zimmer

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I guess the people at BMI think Beethoven, Mozart, Wagner, Tchaikovsky, or Grieg are inferior to someone like Britney Spears or Jennifer Lopez....Jz
posted 02-25-2004 05:13 AM PT (US) 
Dinko

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Since mostly they've been dead for more than 75 years, I really don't know what they have to do with BMI...!? Their music would be public domain by now.
posted 02-25-2004 06:09 AM PT (US) 
John C Winfrey

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He is and always has been one of my favs. I like so many of his scores. The only criticism I have of him and its minor really is that most of his scores are loud all the way through. He knows how to crank up orchestra. In that criticism there are other composers who do better to vary the volume, but for number of melodies and great scores Williams is right up there, no doubt about that.There are many pieces by him I think are really great. Here are some favs:
1. Midway-opening cue
2. Fury and Dracula cues in both
3. 7 years in Tibet
4. Cowboys-several cues
5. scherzo from third Indiana Jones film-love that
6. some of his olympic music-several of those
7. Patriot
8. many moreJohn
posted 02-28-2004 02:30 PM PT (US) 
scored for life

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Not only is it a great idea, but if someone asked me who I would like to have dinner with, living or dead, I would have to say that next to Jesus,the only obvious answer is John Williams!!As for being the best film composer of all time, I wasn't aware there was any doubt.
posted 03-04-2004 08:37 PM PT (US) 
firefox
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"As for being the best film composer of all time, I wasn't aware there was any doubt."You will certainly not get very far with your idea if you act too fawning and fannish. Yes, Williams is an excellent composer, but put things in a little perspective:
Korngold was by far the more gifted musician.
Herrmann and North and many others were more innovative.
Waxman was at least as versatile and probably moreso.
Bernstein and Goldsmith are at least as prolific, talented, and capable.
Steiner was more influential.
Friedhofer had a better sense of drama.
I could go on...
The problem I have with Williams at times is that his music "covers" many of the films he does. It doesn't become a part of the film the way some of the greatest film composers used music. It sometimes sits on the film and calls attention to itself, taking you out of the drama.
But if you seriously want to do something to honor Williams, go for it -- but if you're dealing with professionals in the business, show a modicum of level-headedness about the whole thing. Williams is a great composer, but saying he's the best thing that ever was makes you come across as somebody who's a little blind to reality and lacking some serious historical perspective.
posted 03-05-2004 04:20 AM PT (US) 
Ken S

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More than ten years ago I would have loved seeing a document about Williams (as I was once fooled to wait eagerly a television document about the other John Williams, the guitarist)... But today, I'd definitely like to see documents about the true unsung heroes of Hollywood - such as Bruce Broughton, Alan Silvestri and John Debney.Besides, you definitely need luck in this endeavour. I know a person who has done business with Jerry Goldsmith and still has NEVER had the chance to talk with John Williams. So, you definitely need luck.
KENposted 03-05-2004 05:10 AM PT (US) 
scored for life

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Let's see.........Korngold: 2, Waxman: 2, North: 0, Herrmann:1, Friedhofer: 1, Bernstein: 1,
Goldsmith: 1 and Steiner: 3.Williams: 5.
I guess Oscar speaks for itself.
posted 03-06-2004 01:00 PM PT (US) 
Dinko

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Try Newman, Alfred.
We'll see what speaks.
posted 03-06-2004 01:23 PM PT (US) 
Dinko

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quote:
Originally posted by firefox:
Korngold was by far the more gifted musician.Really? Just because Gustav Mahler was impressed? It doesn't mean anyth... oh wait... it does mean a lot when Mahler likes your music...
quote:
Steiner was more influential.
I think his film scores were also more consistent. I find that too many of Williams' scores have nice themes, a few great cues, and a lot of underscore that doesn't go anywhere.quote:
I could go on...Please do. (A.) Newman? Rozsa?
quote:
The problem I have with Williams at times is that his music "covers" many of the films he does. It doesn't become a part of the film the way some of the greatest film composers used music. It sometimes sits on the film and calls attention to itself, taking you out of the drama.
Shocking... but I agree as his tendency to sometimes call attention to the music has annoyed me a number of times.
posted 03-06-2004 01:36 PM PT (US) 
jonathan_little

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quote:
Originally posted by scored for life:
Let's see.........Korngold: 2, Waxman: 2, North: 0, Herrmann:1, Friedhofer: 1, Bernstein: 1, Goldsmith: 1 and Steiner: 3.
Williams: 5.
I guess Oscar speaks for itself.
Oh please, the number of Oscars somebody has won is a poor metric to use to judge greatness, especially when it comes to film scores. (I'm not saying that Williams isn't a great composer, but I think there are composers who surpass his greatness.)
NP: Obsession (This didn't win an Oscar, so I guess it's a pile of ****?)
[Message edited by jonathan_little on 03-06-2004]
posted 03-06-2004 03:51 PM PT (US) 
John C Winfrey

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Alfred got 9 oscars and 40+ nominations, some for scores, some for MD and so forthJohn.
posted 03-06-2004 04:56 PM PT (US) 
Maurizio

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Hi guys,I want to inform you that a petition for making a JW Documentary is up at PetitionOnLine.com!
Go to http://www.PetitionOnline.com/jw79mc32/petition.html
Sign the petition and spread the word!

Hope all of you will support it! Thanks!
Maurizio
--posted 03-13-2004 06:30 AM PT (US) 
Hector J. Guzman

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And who's gonna release this? My guess is that Sony has contract with Williams and it might be easier for them to license Evening at Pops footage, which by the way I hope they release the Boston Pops concerts, which I'm more interested in watching right now.
posted 03-27-2004 09:46 AM PT (US) 
Maurizio

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Just a note to all of you to remember:SIGN THE PETITION @ http://www.PetitionOnline.com/jw79mc32/petition.html
It's free and safe!

If all of you will sign, you'll make this thing possible!!
Thanks,
Maurizio
--posted 03-29-2004 12:47 PM PT (US) Old Infopop Software by UBB
