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CindyLover1969 Non-Standard Userer	On your second Oscar for the Rings trilogy. Though of course, it should have been your third...
posted 02-29-2004 08:07 PM PT (US)

franz_conrad Standard Userer	BEFORE WHAT FOLLOWS AND I INCUR THE RAGE OF ALL, REMEMBER THAT I LOVE HOWARD SHORE'S LOTR SCORES MORE THAN A GREAT MANY PEOPLE PUT TOGETHER AND I CONGRATULATE HIM... That being said, part of me is dismayed that what is one score was given two awards, and that part of me is also disheartened that Danny Elfman and Thomas Newman's work continues to go unacknowledged by the Academy. The greatest shame of course is that the list of nominees did not include even one of Don Davis' breathtaking Matrix scores. They were every bit the equal of Shore's work for the trilogy, and would have continued the trend of awarding composers who engage with avante-garde techniques - 1999 - Corigliano for The Red Violin. 2000 - Tan Dun for Crouching Tiger. 2001 - Shore for FOTR. 2002 - Goldenthal for Frida. 2003 - Oh well... [Message edited by franz_conrad on 02-29-2004]
posted 02-29-2004 08:14 PM PT (US)

jonathan_little Standard Userer	I really hate these Hollywood love-fests since they really screw up the rest of the TV schedule.
posted 02-29-2004 08:49 PM PT (US)

Mark Olivarez Standard Userer	This has to be a record for the quickest Oscar Telecast.
posted 02-29-2004 09:17 PM PT (US)

Hector J. Guzman Standard Userer	Yes, here comes what franz said. That's the worst crap I've ever seen from these Academy... jerkoffs. Return of the King alone can't be anything without the other movies, so with that, it can't be best movie anything, it's ridiculous. Watch it withouthaving the others in mind, it doesn't make any sense. Even so, with the others in mind, the resolution to most everything is rushed. Shameful day for the movies (and music for the movies).
posted 02-29-2004 09:51 PM PT (US)

franz_conrad Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Hector J. Guzman: Shameful day for the movies (and music for the movies). There's a slight difference in the Australian colloquial between saying that something is a shame (as I did, referring to Newman and Elfman not winning), and saying that something is shameful... I don't hate it that ROTK won everything (hey, it's a damn good film), I just would have preferred to see films that probably haven't got everyone's attention rising to the top of the pile.
posted 02-29-2004 09:59 PM PT (US)

joan hue Standard Userer	I'm happy for Shore and liked the theme they played behind LOTR wins. Lennox graced her speech by mentioning Kamen. What was the score behind the memorial sequence? Arrgh, sounded familiar. Loved Sivestri's Feather Suite behind Bob Hope's montage.
posted 02-29-2004 10:35 PM PT (US)

HadrianD Standard Userer	I love how they played almost all HZ music, Crimson Tide/The Rock in the beginning montage. That sequence became almost very funny.
posted 03-01-2004 01:33 AM PT (US)

kianga Non-Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by franz_conrad: BEFORE WHAT FOLLOWS AND I INCUR THE RAGE OF ALL, REMEMBER THAT I LOVE HOWARD SHORE'S LOTR SCORES MORE THAN A GREAT MANY PEOPLE PUT TOGETHER AND I CONGRATULATE HIM... That being said, part of me is dismayed that what is one score was given two awards... Boo! Hiss! Traitor! Traitor! Nah, just kidding. I know what you mean. ;-) It would have been better, though, had Howard Shore received only the award for ROTK, which represents more of a combined award for the whole trilogy. (Similar to the Best Director award for PJ.) But now with two out of three awards it looks as if TTT was left out deliberately. What puzzled me was that some score reviews said that ROTK was the weakest of the three scores and TTT the best, while I thought that ROTK is really the most enjoyable of the three. [Message edited by kianga on 03-01-2004] [Message edited by kianga on 03-01-2004]
posted 03-01-2004 03:49 AM PT (US)

Quill Standard Userer	I am pleased that the writing team was acknowledged for their work adapting the unadaptable. Kudos to the entire production team that puch so much time, energy and love into this product.
posted 03-01-2004 07:06 AM PT (US)

James Standard Userer	The Oscars are awards for cinematic accomplishments. The award for original score is not (or should not) depend necessarily on how good the music is, or whether or not it uses previous scores as a backbone, but in how well it supports the action/drama/comedy on screen. That is a film score's purpose, and that is (ideally) what a composer should be given an Academy Award for -- its function in the film, and not its essential quality as music. As such, I disagree with any claims that Return of the King shouldn't win because it could not have existed without the first two scores. That doesn't matter. The Oscar is awarded for the score's accomplishment within the film, and I can't think of another score last year that did a better job complimenting the film than this one. Kirk [Message edited by James on 03-01-2004]
posted 03-01-2004 07:07 AM PT (US)

MWRuger Standard Userer	When Fellowship and Two Towers didn�t win much of anything, many people reasoned that the Academy would award the entire trilogy by awarding Return of the King. So it didn�t come as too much of a surprise that cleaned up last night. I understand those who don�t like the Trilogy being upset, but you can�t make everyone happy (I hated it when Full Monty won over Men in Black). I think that the Academy got it right. They awarded an ambitious production that struck all the right notes and represented 6 years of hard work. They did a job that everyone said was impossible and made it happen. It was and remains a brilliant piece of filmmaking and a testament to the effect of passion. I read on another board (FSM) from someone who has been in the business for a long time that Best Picture used to be Best Motion Picture Production, essentially an award for the best producer. So Best Picture doesn�t always go to the best movie, but the best production. Viewing it in that light, a few of the awards from the past make better sense. Perhaps those who can�t fathom last night�s win (over pictures they felt were better) could understand it in that light. Certainly, LOTR deserved the win from a production point of view. My only disappointment was Bill Murray. I release that Sean Penn deserved the award, but this will probably be Bill Murray�s only nomination and I wanted him to be rewarded for all the great roles he�s played and all the pleasure he�s given me over the years. I know Sean Penn will be nominated again. Well, there was one more disappointment. Why couldn�t Peter Jackson get a coat that he could button? I know he can afford a tailored coat, so why did he look so unkempt? He could at least have straightened and tightened his tie. It�s the friggin� Oscars! It could be worse, at least he ditched the shorts and the sandals.
posted 03-01-2004 07:51 AM PT (US)

CoachUSAgal Standard Userer	One score winning two awards? I am not sure what you mean there. Anyways, I picked 15 out of the 24 nominations right. Of course, if you picked all RotK ones like I did, you're almost halfway there. I am mostly pleased at the outcome of the Oscars this year.
posted 03-01-2004 08:55 AM PT (US)

Scorro Standard Userer	I'm very pleased that Howard Shore won for the beautiful and appropriate ROTK. And I would have been equally pleased if he had also won for TTT (my personal favorite). Each of the 3 has its own unique feel, personality, thematic content, etc. They are not only some of the best music scores of recent memory, but I daresay of all time. Peter Jackson's selection of Mr. Shore as composer happily turned out to be a perfect choice. [Message edited by Scorro on 03-01-2004]
posted 03-01-2004 09:11 AM PT (US)

Hector J. Guzman Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by MWRuger: My only disappointment was Bill Murray. I release that Sean Penn deserved the award, but this will probably be Bill Murray�s only nomination and I wanted him to be rewarded for all the great roles he�s played and all the pleasure he�s given me over the years. I know Sean Penn will be nominated again. Yes, disapointing really. Can't stad those two commies that got their actor awards.
posted 03-01-2004 09:33 AM PT (US)

Timmer Standard Userer	Franz Conrad said... That being said, part of me is dismayed that what is one score was given two awards, and that part of me is also disheartened that Danny Elfman and Thomas Newman's work continues to go unacknowledged by the Academy. But it HAS been acknowledged by being nominated, I find it more disheartening that composers such as Basil Poledouris and Christopher Young have NEVER been nominated. Congrats to Howard Shore whose score was without doubt the years best and a very deserving winner [Message edited by Timmer on 03-01-2004]
posted 03-01-2004 10:11 AM PT (US)

Hornerfan Standard Userer	Congrats to Shore. Well deserved. As an aside, did anyone see the woman sitting next to James Horner? If that's his wife...she's pretty smoking. Wowzers. :P Mike
posted 03-01-2004 10:15 AM PT (US)

SCimmerian Standard Userer	I was thrilled to see LOTR win big time. It is the first time any fantasy film has won Best Picture.and it is true that the oscar is for best motionpicture production, or it used to mean that.Happy to see Howard Shore win again. -To Joan: the music that was played behind the tribute was the love theme from THE THIEF OF BAGDAD by Miklos Rozsa. The other music was SEABISCUT by Randy Newman.
posted 03-01-2004 11:16 AM PT (US)

Bond1965 Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Hector J. Guzman: <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by MWRuger: [b] My only disappointment was Bill Murray. I release that Sean Penn deserved the award, but this will probably be Bill Murray�s only nomination and I wanted him to be rewarded for all the great roles he�s played and all the pleasure he�s given me over the years. I know Sean Penn will be nominated again.<HR size=1></blockquote> Yes, disapointing really. Can't stad those two commies that got their actor awards.[/B] Commies???? Give me a F***ing break Hector. If you don't believe in freedom of speech then you're welcome to go live somewhere else. For the record, it's turned out that those "Commies" have been right about Bush and his "revenge for Daddy" war. James
posted 03-01-2004 11:21 AM PT (US)

Quill Standard Userer	Bless Sean Pean...his antics have boiled over to a moviemusic discussion board. Of course the likes of us and the ever enlightened Sean Pean should be the authority for foreign relations. Oh well. Back to the awards...I just realized something...when did they do away with the Comedy/Musical score category?
posted 03-01-2004 11:34 AM PT (US)

Mark Olivarez Standard Userer	Yeah Sean Penn the voice of reason, what a mild mannered well behaved person he's been all of his life........ Yeah that's the one role model I want my kids to follow.... While Murray would have been a great choice both Penn and Robbins, no matter their political agenda, were both deserving. [Message edited by Mark Olivarez on 03-01-2004]
posted 03-01-2004 11:58 AM PT (US)

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