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    Topic:   Soundtrack label discussion: Soundtrack Factory

     PeterK
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    Note to all collectors:

    How has your experience been with Soundtrack Factory releases? This Andorra-based label has quite a few musicals and Woody Allen comps in their catalog, as well as some interesting movie scores from yore (like Duck Soup). I mainly remember them as being the label with the only Third Man soundtrack available, although it really was the "movie on CD" with dialogue and all (the "injustice" has since been sorta corrected by Silva's new recording of the score for release a year or so ago).

    Anyway, your experiences with Soundtrack Factory? Sound quality? How's the Humphrey Bogart collection or their version of the Alexander Nevsky score? Leave no stone unturned....

    [Message edited by PeterK on 04-13-2004]

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    posted 04-13-2004 09:13 AM PT (US)     

     BMikeJ
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    It's my understanding that most of the music released by this company consists of just recording the music right off of the movie, effects and all, with the exception of releases like The Ghost And Mrs. Muir, which is just a mirror of the Varese release.

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    posted 04-13-2004 10:25 AM PT (US)     

     Dinko
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    The Nevsky sounds awful, but by all accounts that is Prokofiev's fault as he tampered with recording technology.
    I'm not sure the Nevsky is lifted from the movie, though a couple of tracks definitely are. Most of Nevsky is clear from dialog and sound effects, whereas these scenes would have sound effects in the movie. A couple of tracks however do feature dialogues and sound effects obviously lifted off the movie.

    It is the only Soundtrack Factory disc I have purchased. However (il-)legal their releases, the Nevsky comes with a better booklet/liner notes than most soundtracks.

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    posted 04-13-2004 12:08 PM PT (US)     

     BobaMike
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    I bought all the Marx Brothers cds, not realizing they were bootlegs (there were in the local barnes and nobles!).

    These cds sound like crap, as if someone recorded it off of a video cassette.

    Although its fun to hear Groucho's songs and the other brothers play instruments, most of the cds are worthless:/

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    posted 04-13-2004 01:16 PM PT (US)     

     Lancelot
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    My take on the "Nevsky" score (the first Nevsky version I purchased) is that this recording, too, was the "movie on cd"--someone put a microphone up to the screen and let the movie play...terrible recording, terrible sound quality, and all the dialogue and sound effects to go along with it. I would not reccomend this particular label's version.

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    posted 04-13-2004 01:20 PM PT (US)     

     MWRuger
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    I have the Holiday Inn CD that they released and while I agree that the sound quality is lacking and it is also taken from the film, it is the only way to get the movies versions of the songs. This includes Fred Astaire’s brilliant 4th of July Dance and awful Lincoln’s Birthday Blackface number.

    It also has a few cuts from other Hope and Crosby pictures, namely "Road to Morocco"

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    posted 04-13-2004 02:55 PM PT (US)     

     John C Winfrey
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    Peter, I have a couple of these. Sound is not real good on them. I have the Korngold and one other.

    John

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    posted 04-13-2004 05:42 PM PT (US)     

     jonathan_little
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    I've never bought one, but I've heard they're junk so I will continue to avoid them.

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    posted 04-13-2004 07:08 PM PT (US)     

     Wedge
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    A brief note Re: Nevsky

    The "recording technology" available to Prokofiev wasn't exactly top-of-the-line. Yes, it's true that he reportedly used some ill-conceived sound techniques ... but since the film's surviving audio track is by all accounts an UNFINISHED, temporary track, there will always remain doubt as to how the final score track and audio mix would have sounded.

    There are so many excellent recordings of the Nevsky cantada -- along with the wonderful rerecording of the reconstructed original score -- that there's no reason to bother with the inferior Soundtrack Library release.

    It would be interesting to see someone completely re-do the audio on Nevsky, dialogue and all (although what voice actor would be able to equal the great Nikolai Cherkasov?) ... or at least replace the score, if it's possible anymore to separate the original music/dialogue/FX elements.

    As a side note, I also want to see some brave film-maker -- perhaps even an animator -- take on the unfinished "Ivan the Terrible, Part III" (a draft of the basic script exists), with a composer like John Williams adapting Prokofiev's themes. But perhaps that's a discussion for another thread.

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    posted 04-13-2004 08:53 PM PT (US)     

     jonathan_little
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    quote:
    ...he reportedly used some ill-conceived sound techniques...

    So we're probably talking about an ancestor of Shawn Murphy at the mixing console?

    [Message edited by jonathan_little on 04-13-2004]

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    posted 04-13-2004 08:58 PM PT (US)     

     Dinko
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    Yup. Except this ancestor could also compose. On the other hand, there is the Prokofiev-Horner relation to combine with the Prokofiev-Murphy relation, so that if you combine Horner's "composition skills" and Murphy's "engineering skills" you get... Prokofiev.

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    posted 04-14-2004 06:51 AM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    But hasn't Horner switched to Simon Rhodes these days?


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    posted 04-14-2004 07:40 AM PT (US)     

     Hellstrom
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    Why would you wish to discuss Soundtrack Factory? It's pretty peculiar when the webmasterof a supposedly reputable site, devoted to supporting the release of music from studios, is openly trumpeting discourse on one of the most wretched boot labels in the business. You know, the day is coming when the likes of Varese, FSM, Intrada, SAE and other hard working companies will not be able to continue issuing this stuff because the costs, diminishing returns and limited interest will preclude all viability. And then, when that day is here, you'll be whining as is your custom, how and why did it happen? Soundtrack Factory is one of the answers.

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    posted 04-14-2004 11:33 AM PT (US)     

     PeterK
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    Quite a presumptuous reply, hellstrom. I understand where you are coming from, but nonetheless, quite presumptuous. And thanks for keeping the gap wide open between producers and whining fanboys. The industry's favorite attitude.

    Finally, here's one thread that hasn't taken the left turn at Albuquerque (in other words, it has kept on topic) and quite spectacularly "left no stone unturned" as I'd hoped. Thanks to all who've responded, including you Hellstrom, as you've provided exactly the material sought.

    I can look forward to saving a lot of grief for myself and others. The price? A little thread on a message board in a small corner of the internet. Worth it.

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    posted 04-14-2004 11:52 AM PT (US)     

     Dinko
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    :shrug:

    A thread asking about the merits or non-merits of Soundtrack Factory.

    Replies about how Soundtrack Factory sucks.

    People reading the thread get a clear idea that this label is best avoided.

    Then a post from someone whining about people bashing Soundtrack Factory, but the whiner bashes Soundtrack Factory too...

    IMHO fo cuorse,

    Reagards,

    Dinko A. Clueless-Fanboy

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    posted 04-14-2004 12:30 PM PT (US)     

     scoreguy16
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    Ok, so let me get this right, most of these releases have dialogue and sound effects because they're recorded from the film itself??? Why would you buy them then? Why not just rip the stuff from the movie yourself? Are the movies unavailable?

    Clayton

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    posted 04-14-2004 12:47 PM PT (US)     

     Dinko
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    I can't speak for everyone, but here's what I had to choose from when I got the Soundtrack Factory Nevsky disc:

    Movie: $15.99CDN + time spent on ripping score from movie

    vs. Soundtrack Factory CD ($18.99CDN) - all the work already done for me.

    As simple as that. 3$ is not worth going through the pain of hooking a VCR or DVD player to a tape recorder or a CD burner, especially that I have little use for the movie afterwards. It could be done more easily with minidisc, but then the minidisc costs 3$-5$, so the Soundtrack Factory bootleg is the easiest, and in some cases cheapest option to get the original soundtrack when the original soundtrack is not otherwise available.

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    posted 04-14-2004 01:02 PM PT (US)     

     Jeron
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    quote:
    Originally posted by Hellstrom:
    Why would you wish to discuss Soundtrack Factory?

    I imagine Peter wanted to probe around and get the scoop on the label before he made a decision on whether or not to stock their product. Taking into account his reply to your post Hellstrom, along with the other replies, I'm guessing he reached a decision.

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    posted 04-14-2004 01:06 PM PT (US)     

     scoreguy16
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    Dinko, what about renting the movie instead of buying it? If you don't have the stuff to rip that's I can see, but if you're able to rip it yourself I think that'd be better than spending nearly $20 on the CD (considering CD-R's are soooo cheap now).

    Clayton

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    posted 04-14-2004 01:30 PM PT (US)     

     Hellstrom
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    "Presumptuous?" I think that needs some explaining in the current context. I don't know what you mean about the gap between "producers" and "fanboys," but to me it should be obvious to anyone who purports to be in the soundtrack "retail" business that it becomes very important off-the-bat to know which labels are legitimate and those which aren't. Soundtrack Factory has not just arrived on the scene this minute, they've been around for several years. Consequently you should have been aware of their status already, not asking lame questions at this stage....use your loaf Peter, that's all we're saying.

    Oh and Dinko, go back to smoking some more crack. It'll clear your head of all that bullshit.

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    posted 04-14-2004 01:34 PM PT (US)     

     Dinko
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    Clayton - renting the movie at the time was not an option. No video rental store that I could find carried it.

    quote:
    Originally posted by Hellstrom:
    Oh and Dinko, go back to smoking some more crack. It'll clear your head of all that bullshit.

    Wow. Did I go out with your girlfriend at some point or what?
    I'll go smoking crack, but if you need some weed to relax maybe I can send you some. Go out and breathe some fresh air. All those fumes from rotting archives are getting to your brain.

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    posted 04-14-2004 01:55 PM PT (US)     

     PeterK
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    There is so much irony afloat, I don't know where to start. I probably shouldn't, but here are a few points, and then I'll exit and leave the rest to whomever wants a bite:

    Yes, presumptuous. I must be the retarded one for wishing to confirm any notions about this label before spending all kinds of $$$ filling up the store here with SF's crap, and then having to deal with the expense of refunding credit cards, paying for returns, etc, after customers find this stuff absolute crap and demand refunds. Varese, Intrada, FSM, SAE, etc will not go out of business by anyone (let alone a person like me who "pretends" to be in the soundtrack retail business) posting a little thread on a message board like this.

    As for me pretending to be in the soundtrack retail business, such libel bothers me none at all. I am only left bewildered that such a statement comes from a person whose name is on so many CDs my company has sold. To the discussion: I have never owned any SF releases, and only came across a few this week for the first time when buying a large lot of CDs off a collector getting out of the hobby (some "fanboys" do more than just complain). I always understood SF had crappy quality, and knew they were closely projected as a bootlegger. However, unlike other prolific bootleggers from Europe (aka TSUNAMI et al), this one has not yet been put out of business and, by the looks and sound quality of the Humphrey Bogart collection and other recent/newer releases, SF has possibly moved from bootleg to legitimate status as a label. A physical address, fax/phone, UPC, copyright information, etc, all appear on the inserts of the few CDs I am looking at, all which would support a theory the company may be on the right track. I do understand many bootleggers fake lots of this info, but not "necessarily" in SF's case. Call it naive on my part, or call it giving companies the chance if it appears they are righting themselves. However, if I learn, by whatever means I think most economical, that this company is still as wretched as once believed, I am satisfied. That's what I was after. Time and money are saved, and according to Hellstrom logic, so are Varese, SAE, Intrada and FSM.

    As for the whiners and the producers outing the whining fanboys at every opportunity, everyone should remember this: the same people who buy soundtracks are the same people who whine about the lack of soundtracks, or the problem with them, whatever those problems may be. Instead of widening the negative relationship that has developed between producers and consumers, perhaps a "thank you" or similar positive can be found, or nothing at all. Things were better in the days before the internet when producers and fanboys did not intermingle. How ugly it's become.

    Now if you'll excuse me, I have a few CDs that need to be tossed in the rubbish bin.

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    posted 04-14-2004 03:14 PM PT (US)     

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    Someone should call Craig Spaulding/SAE and reminding him he's selling Soundtrack Factory CDs.

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    posted 04-14-2004 03:33 PM PT (US)     

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    Why don't the soundtrack producers get together and convince big name online stores, such as the one that has the letters "A" and "Z" in its name, to stop carrying the bootlegged Soundtrack Factory product? I just did a search over at that store and it looks like over 100 Soundtrack Factory releases are listed. That includes a release of The Ghost and Mrs. Muir, which I'm fairly sure Hellstrom probably isn't too pleased about.

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    posted 04-14-2004 03:38 PM PT (US)     

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    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by Dinko:
    :shrug:

    A thread asking about the merits or non-merits of Soundtrack Factory.

    Replies about how Soundtrack Factory sucks.

    People reading the thread get a clear idea that this label is best avoided.

    Then a post from someone whining about people bashing Soundtrack Factory, but the whiner bashes Soundtrack Factory too...

    IMHO fo cuorse,

    Reagards,

    Dinko A. Clueless-Fanboy<HR size=1></blockquote>

    Dink,

    Can I call that Post the "Hellstrom Chronicle"?

    James

    P.S. SF CDs are reguarly stocked at Tower Records too. I've never bought them as I figured they were taken right off the films.

    James

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    posted 04-14-2004 03:55 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Bond1965:
    P.S. SF CDs are reguarly stocked at Tower Records too.

    Why is it I keep hearing all this "bitching" about how music sales are down and piracy is up, yet the music industry allows Tower Records to stock bootleg product?

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    posted 04-14-2004 04:15 PM PT (US)     

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    I have the "Lost Horizon" CD and it is passable...it might be the source material but it sounds like it was tracked off a video source.

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    posted 04-14-2004 09:18 PM PT (US)     

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    I've never been desperate enough to want a score with sfx and dialogue over it. I didn't even record The 6th Sense isolated score because of Trevor Rabin destroying it by talking over it (The good news about that is that it's in 5.1 sound and i can just remove the center channel so that it's all score, but i am just too lazy). Anyway, I don't really think CD's should be made when they're just directly copied off of the film. Just by the film instead and watch those scenes (of course you probably wont be able to play it everywhere but still). But that's just me, I understand why other people would want the film on CD. I just haven't found anything where I am desperate enough to pay that kind of money for it.

    Clayton

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    posted 04-14-2004 10:33 PM PT (US)     

     PeterK
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    Interesting observations. For being the most wretched bootleg label, they do have quite an impressive distribution model if places like Amazon.com, Tower Records, Barnes and Noble, Footlight and Screen Archives carry the product. Better than any other bootleg label, for certain.

    I am not really interested in adding SF's poor quality products to the store, but with all this information about SF's product being available in the most high-profile music stores, the indicators suggest the label may be righting itself.

    Hellstrom, any explanation why Craig Spaulding would carry SF product? Am I "using my loaf" a little too much, or is he not using his?

    [Message edited by PeterK on 04-15-2004]

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    posted 04-15-2004 12:14 PM PT (US)     

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    I mentioned the following in the current "What's New..?" thread, but I think I should expand on it here.

    When I picked up The Sound Track Factory's release of FRANKENSTEIN and BRIDE OF FRANKENSTEIN the other day, I sort of half-remembered this thread, but not the details, so I took a chance.

    Yup, this is another awful release from that label. A sort of condensed aural summary of some of the key moments from both films, taken direct from the movies themselves.

    I'd say that if we were still living in 1966, and we were impressionable twelve-year-olds surrounded by our treasured copies of "Famous Monsters of Filmland", then this might have caused a furor(no videos nor DVDs in 1966, folks!), but it's a pointless annoyance today. I think I'll go and put on my FRANKENSTEIN DVD now. And if I close my eyes I'll be able to conjure up wonderful memories of the Sound Track Factory release.

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    posted 06-12-2006 05:52 AM PT (US)     

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    LOL. Yes indeed. Graham. J.

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    posted 06-15-2006 12:31 AM PT (US)     

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    In summation, they aren't very good at all and that's being nice. J.

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    posted 06-16-2006 03:42 PM PT (US)     
     

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