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Topic: Man On Fire!

sean

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After this film I was thinking to myself that both Ridley and Tony Scott must have watched Takeshi Kitano's film Kikujiro recently—and if you don't know the film, than all I can see is that you should see it—and said, "Hey, I can do that!" Well, Ridley Scott tried with Matchstick Men and ended up making an unsuprising piece of boring nothingness (but with a serviceable Hans Zimmer score; most of which is better heard on CD). Now, Tony Scott, on the other hand, comes around with a long and entertaining film, Man On Fire. Excellent job, and he's making better movies than his challanged brother—with the gross exceptions of the now forgiveable movies, Spy Game and Enemy of the State; Man On Fire redeems him.So, fun film, very stylish, but here's the best part (other than Christopher Walken's hillarious musings about the Japanese car industry)... Harry Gregson-Williams and Lisa Gerrard! Lisa's voice is seldom used and with great effect; the only weak part comes near the end with a Gladiator-like interlude—a shorter "Now We Are Free." Harry Gregson-Williams has produced, in my opinion, his finest score to date with Man On Fire: the swimming and training themes in the film are very nice and impressive; his string writing works wonders too. Some of his music is used in the trailer: specifically, that ultra-cool heavy metal theme for Denzel (not on Jim Dooley's site with the edited section of the trailer score). But his style has certainly matured far beyond anyone else at Media Ventures (if that even exists still?), and also, his music is now surpasssing Hans Zimmer's recent wanning efforts. You know, as much as I love Hans' work, The Last Samurai was pretty drab for something he talked about so excitedly about, and so much for Matchstick Men and Tears of the Sun.
I noticed on the poster that there is no advertisement for a Man On Fire score and I hope that changes (couldn't stay for the end credits, but maybe there was indication there). For anyone who likes Harry's music, this is certainly a treat, and makes ya' wonder what's going with guys like Hans Zimmer and John Powell (who seems unable to get past his goofy cartoon phase, even with the moderately serious Paycheck).
Watched it, loved it; heard it, loved it; and can't wait for this release! Hope you guys like as much as I did.
[Message edited by sean on 04-25-2004]
posted 04-25-2004 01:24 PM PT (US) 
Alexborn007

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Saw it Friday. I thought it was a very entertaining and well thought out film. The prolonged first act did nothing but make me dread the approaching kidnapping because I cared for Pita Wilson almost as much as Creasy did. Helgeland's script was great. Once the rampage begins, you understand the rage of Creasy even though you don't necessarily condone it. The action was well paced and the scene involving the Fuentes motorcade was a personal favorite. My friends complained about the visual style of the movie, but in all honesty...I think it worked. Sure, it could have been toned down, but Scott executes it with enough finesse to keep from it becoming extraneous. The story was what kept me interested though. Surprising considering the amount of visual flair in this. I've always enjoyed Tony Scott's movies and find Crimson Tide to be his best.The score was indeed great as well. Although that heavy metal theme (which I loved too) is actually a song by Nine Inch Nails called "The Mark Has Been Made". Still don't see any release info for the score though...hope that changes!
posted 04-25-2004 01:43 PM PT (US) 
sean

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From Nine Inch Nails, eh? Makes sense, and still really cool!I've always been up and down with Scott's films. He's done some crappers in his time: Top Gun, The Last Boyscout, Enemy of the State, and Spy Game top that list; I'm temped to put Days of Thunder in there, and yet I find that film very entertaining and fun. Certainly Beverly Hills Cop 2 had a huge impact on action filmmaking and ranks as one of his best—just watch A Better Tomorrow and you'll see what I mean. His best, other than Man On Fire, are True Romance and Crimson Tide, both interestingly enough, with screenplays by Quentin Tarantino; for Crimson Tide he was brought in for re-writes (just listen to the Silver Surfer references, the Star Trek warp speed references, and the discussion about Spanish horses at the end between Denzel Washington and gene Hackman: very nice touches!)
The style of Man On Fire was pretty much over the top with some of the subtitles, like when people were yalling and such it was amusing. Man On Fire is very stylised eye-candy; I got the same impression watching Torque earlier this year, as well. (Where's that Trevor Rabin score? It's quite good.)
Anyway, my feeling is that the studio, or whomever, CAN'T NOT make a score album for Man On Fire: it's too good and too noticeable to let it slide.
[Message edited by sean on 04-25-2004]
posted 04-25-2004 02:15 PM PT (US) 
scoreguy16

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I liked Enemy of the State and Spy Game. But anyway, did anyone notice that Tony Scott used some of the same Nine Inch Nails music that he used in The Fan? Very effective stuff. I loved the film, it felt a bit long but the ending made up for that (I was questioning how they could top all the things he did but they were able to do it). I LOVED this score. Most of the time whenever I first see a movie I notice the score a little bit, but not much. However, with this score, I was amazed by it. At first I was worried it was going to be a direct copy of Veronica Guerin (it started out that way with the electric cello or whatever it's called). But then it ended up being fantastic! The way they use Lisa Gerrard's vocals sparingly just adds so much emotion to the film. THEY NEED TO RELEASE THIS SCORE!!! This is probably my second favorite Harry Gregson-Williams score (Armageddon being my first).Clayton
posted 04-25-2004 11:18 PM PT (US) 
MillsSomerset
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There's no plans for a score release???!?!?!?!?Oh, holy christ. Please: varese, La La Land, someone who reads this board and can do something about this GET ON THE HORN and CHANGE THIS!
From the opening notes of this score, I was like "I'm buying this, ASAP" and it proceeded - with a few rare loud/atonal exceptions that worked in the movie but I can see being jarring on an album release/listen - to get better and better. Probably the best thing HGW has done, very textured, very beautiful.
All of the Lisa Gerrard stuff was either taken directly from or modified off of her recent album which is a beautiful, beautiful album, for those that were wondering. (if you don't have it - buy it if you're at all a fan of hers/GLADIATOR, it's terrific stuff)
I always wanted a full release of THE FAN and now if they don't release this, I'll be really p.o.'d. I mean, come on; they released Harry's PHONE BOOTH score -- from the same studio! (Though maybe the poor returns on that one -- which came out months before the movie, when the movie was still slated and before it got moved because of 9/11 -- caused them not to put out this one. The label was the same one who did SOLARIS, too. Splendid, or something like that?)
I WANT THIS SCORE! Sorry. Hasn't been much in the way o'movie music that's clicked with me of late, save HOUSE OF SAND AND FOG, Two TOWERS and PASSION OF CHRIST, but I was a big fan of this score -- oh, and save for a few things here and there (i.e., it's butt-numbing length), I liked the movie a lot too.
Mills
posted 04-26-2004 02:21 PM PT (US) 
Crono/Kyp

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Info Guy Returns...http://www.moviemusic.com/mb/Forum1/HTML/012646.html
--Bri Guy
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posted 04-26-2004 02:50 PM PT (US) 
Justin

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You're a good man Crono...you've calmed a lot of people down today, including myself.
posted 04-26-2004 02:54 PM PT (US) 
Crono/Kyp

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You guys need to drink water like I am...then you can always be cool
--Brian
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posted 04-26-2004 02:57 PM PT (US) 
Justin

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HAHAHAHA! That was so cheesy I actually did laugh
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