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It’ll still make its release date quite easily.

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>>Gotta luv us Doug Throw us a bone and give us a season at least (summer, fall, or winter) if you can't give us a month>>>>

Uh… daytime?

Just kidding. No nothing’s officially set, but Howard has given the most likely timeframe in an interview with Jeff Bond in the latest issue of Film Score Monthly. Just check the final paragraph.
www.filmscoremonthly.com/fsmonline

...Actually, read the whole thing. Jeff did a great piece.

-Doug Adams

Secondly, Howard says it's most likely TTT will be out towards the end of 2006. Putting them out once a year would be the best solution he says.

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Originally posted by gkgyver:
First of all, the registration there is for free.

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Also too thes sales for Fellowship Of The Ring are supposedly doing really well right now and that's another reason why they don't want to release The Two Towers too soon.

This is the company's decesion. If you don't like it oh well, that's just too bad. You guys are going to have to wait anyways.

And, if I'm not mistaken, the lion's share of the design work has already been finished (if we assume that TTT will look like FOTR, just with different pictures).

Production on the Two Towers boxed set began slightly before Christmas, 2005 and has proceeded continuously since then. At the current time (late April, 2006) it's still not release ready. That's not due to laziness, or a self-congratulating sense of entitlement, it's because this is tough work!

That's the principle concern for any release date - product readiness. Howard Shore is writing an opera right now as well as another concert work and a score for Scorsese. He only has so much time to dedicate to any individual project at a time. Frankly, I'm amazed he's able to keep as many projects afloat at once already. I'd be completely overcommitted juggling his schedule, but he makes multitasking seem like second nature.

Likewise, the rest of the LOTR boxed set team (myself included) has other projects to coinciding, and these need attention as well. Honestly, when everything is taken into consideration, I don't see how this entire thing could be shelf-ready before the fall anyway.

Are there financial considerations involved? Well sure, that's a practical reality – and is really the domain of the label anyway. I can say for an absolute fact that the people involved with this project from a creative end are far more concerned with its artistic success. I’m not going to pay off my mortgage with this, but maybe 20 years from now someone will say, “that was a landmark release!” and I’ll be able to indulge in a bit of chest puffing.

So please know that no one is sitting on a stack of completed TTT sets, steepling their fingers and chortling that the poor saps in the general public can’t have it. No one’s holding back the release just so they can dig deeper into your pockets at a more opportune moment. We’re hard at work. Music is being edited right now. New Line is locating artwork. Packaging designs are being discussed. I turned in the fourth draft of the notes last week and am waiting for notes from the New York team.

I hate stereotypes as much as the next guy, but when your run-of-the-mill LOTR fan can be described as highly articulate, well-read and intently detail oriented… well, I learned long ago, you don’t try to pull the wool over these people’s eyes! They’re not gong to be fooled, and we’re not that self-destructive.

So no one’s being deceptive, I promise you. We’re hard at work out here! I know waiting is not much fun, but hey, remember how quickly FOTR’s release date shuffling dissolved from your minds once you got your hands on the thing. Hang tight, you’ll make it, I promise.

Best,

-Doug Adams

I have to once again commend you for the fine job that you are doing with these box sets. Reading your last post put even more perspective in it for me. I do have a couple questions for you:

1) How many people are on the team(s) that are creating the box sets?
2) Does Howard Shore read or hear anything about the fans on these message boards and if so what are his reactions/comments/thoughts?
3) What other projects are you working on?

Thanks again for putting everyone at ease. As long as it is done the right way then I have no problems with it coming out this winter.

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LIES!!!

We want it NOW!!!

NOW!!! NOW!!! NOW!!!

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Howard Shore is writing an opera right now as well as another concert work and a score for Scorsese. He only has so much time to dedicate to any individual project at a time. Frankly, I'm amazed he's able to keep as many projects afloat at once already. I'd be completely overcommitted juggling his schedule, but he makes multitasking seem like second nature.

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Now that also settles the question I was about to ask: what is Howard Shore's next project.
I guess the Lord of the Rings marathon made him somewhat resistent to your all in a days work stress lol

I'm sorry, I didn't meant that in a harsh way, but for the average fan, it's not easy to get an insight on this whole production process, so we might be a little too quick at judging certain people.
But the concern that a release might be pushed back because it would help the sales numbers is not wholly unjustified I think. These packages could very well be the most important releases since the invention of Soundtracks, and I'm sure the company is thinking about the perfect time to put them out.

I'm sure you're working your butts off for these complete scores, I just hope you won't let us wait longer than necessary. Personally, I have no problem with waiting a year for each score, but then I'd like to see that the time isn't wasted, that's all.

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Originally posted by AustinHusker:
1) How many people are on the team(s) that are creating the box sets?

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Well, the booklet gives a hint of that...art directors, supervisors, executive producers, re-mixers, line writers...

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I think he does, at least he hears things through people like Doug (or my *very* good friend, Dan Goldwasser). Maybe Doug can share some anecdotes? Hehe...

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I hope it involves a book regarding the Star Wars scores...

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Originally posted by Doug Adams:
Production on the Two Towers boxed set began slightly before Christmas, 2005 and has proceeded continuously since then. At the current time (late April, 2006) it's still not release ready. That's not due to laziness, or a self-congratulating sense of entitlement, it's because this is tough work!

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I guess we are simply being what film-music enthusiasts often are: impatient. But I think that most people around here understand the reasons you listed, Doug, and will be more than appreciative once T2T will be out. And if not...well, let's just say Bavarians are subtle and quick to anger and my geologist's hammer is very...hard. Uhm...

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That's the principle concern for any release date - product readiness. Howard Shore is writing an opera right now as well as another concert work and a score for Scorsese. He only has so much time to dedicate to any individual project at a time. Frankly, I'm amazed he's able to keep as many projects afloat at once already. I'd be completely overcommitted juggling his schedule, but he makes multitasking seem like second nature.

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I am sure it involves a machine that stretches Mr Shore's days to 48 hours, no? How's work on The Departed coming along, then?

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Likewise, the rest of the LOTR boxed set team (myself included) has other projects to coinciding, and these need attention as well. Honestly, when everything is taken into consideration, I don't see how this entire thing could be shelf-ready before the fall anyway.

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I have a personal reason why I am not too unhappy if T2T comes out later in the year. I won't have much time this summer to dedicate to thorough listenings, and I prefer listening to new scores in fall and winter anyway. Don't ask me why, I just do.

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Are there financial considerations involved? Well sure, that's a practical reality – and is really the domain of the label anyway. I can say for an absolute fact that the people involved with this project from a creative end are far more concerned with its artistic success. I’m not going to pay off my mortgage with this, but maybe 20 years from now someone will say, “that was a landmark release!” and I’ll be able to indulge in a bit of chest puffing.

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You know what, Doug? Even with just FotR out, I can make that call and praise the achievements of you guys as a landmark now. I think not even the 1997 special editions of Star Wars can match what everybody involved has delivered. Add to that the quality that Mr Shore's music has, and you come pretty close to the perfect release.

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So please know that no one is sitting on a stack of completed TTT sets, steepling their fingers and chortling that the poor saps in the general public can’t have it. No one’s holding back the release just so they can dig deeper into your pockets at a more opportune moment.

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All of a sudden, I have a vision of Montgomery Burns, wearing Howard Shore's round glasses, on top of this stack: "Ex-cel-lent!" Heehee...

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We’re hard at work. Music is being edited right now. New Line is locating artwork. Packaging designs are being discussed. I turned in the fourth draft of the notes last week and am waiting for notes from the New York team.

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Completely loony side-note: I love your use in the FotR booklet of words as "bumptiously" or "rapscallions".

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I hate stereotypes as much as the next guy, but when your run-of-the-mill LOTR fan can be described as highly articulate, well-read and intently detail oriented…

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Why, thank you! *blushes*

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well, I learned long ago, you don’t try to pull the wool over these people’s eyes! They’re not gong to be fooled, and we’re not that self-destructive.

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Remember my geologist hammer! (Yes, I know, I REALLY should stop saying this... )

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So no one’s being deceptive, I promise you. We’re hard at work out here! I know waiting is not much fun, but hey, remember how quickly FOTR’s release date shuffling dissolved from your minds once you got your hands on the thing. Hang tight, you’ll make it, I promise.

Best,

-Doug Adams

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I refer to my previous posts that express my gratitude, Doug. Your work is top-notch...top-notchest?

Buenas noches!

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Ah, coome on, Christian, we Bavarians aren't THAT hot- tempered ... only when we're getting teased by some Northern nut

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What, what, what? Another Bavarian AND LotR nut? We must meet!

I've been thinking about the comment I made about how brief the TTT and ROTK albums sound in comparison to the voluminous FOTR CR. The interesting thing is that while I've always liked the original FOTR CD, I wondered for a while why certain choices were made for that album.

Having heard the CR edition, I now have a greater respect for the monumental task of boiling down the score to a single, concise CD. I have a newfound admiration for the original FOTR CD. I don't listen to it as often anymore - although it does have opening of "The Great River" my favorite cue from the theatrical version of the film - but in terms of getting the basics of this score across in an album framework, it does a pretty good job.

Man soll Godd für alls danggn, auch für ein'n Franggn.

Woher dort? I've got relatives in Lower Franconia, and seeing as Germany isn't that big, I'd like to meet some time.

Also: since the Nazgûl music is one of favorite aspects of Fellowship, I don't have a problem with it. I hope that the arrangement of it that can be heard on FotR's appendices during the pre-visualising segment of FotR's prologue (the one with monster choir) will be included on the rarities disc.

Grissdjan

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Man soll Godd für alls danggn, auch für ein'n Franggn.

Woher dort?

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Bamberg.
Heißt das net "Man soll Gott für alles danken, auch für einen Unterfranken"?

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Originally posted by Shire Bagginz:
lets see.....will the Two Towers Box Set have a blue box...like the deluxe version of the OST....just wanted to keep this thread alive here....I don't like seeing it dropping down the list

If so then that only means ROTK will follow suit and sport my favorite color, green, yeaaaaa!!!

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RotK would look great in white and gold.

CK

Seemed a waste of a theme was that so prominent in representing not just the wraiths, but Sauron as well in Fellowship. I hadn’t realised until listening to the complete score that it still pops up a few times even after the Wraiths are gone from the film.

Also, does anyone know where the version of the theme that appeared in the Kong teaser and net exclusive making of video came from? It builds slowly to an instrumental version of the Wraith theme but I believe only the build up was in the teaser. The theme itself was only reached in the making of clip.

Just found the video...
http://www.apple.com/trailers/universal/king_kong/inside_med.html

It starts as Jack Black appears on screen.

Seemed a waste of a theme was that so prominent in representing not just the wraiths, but Sauron as well in Fellowship. I hadn’t realised until listening to the complete score that it still pops up a few times even after the Wraiths are gone from the film.
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Well actually I always thought that during the wraith attack on Minis Tirith, a more exciting variation of the Ringwraith theme is used. The rythm is slightly different, but the basic overall feeling I got from the original theme is still there (mostly due to the high shrieking choir) (this is track #13 on the ROTK OST). This time around though the theme is at a more steady pace (instead of the original's two note, long-short style rythm), never seeming to let up, until the brass fanfare representing the Rohan army's charge comes in. (side note: the missing part of this que is one of my most anticipated incomplete ques, that should be on the ROTK CR, as the build up with the Rohan theme was completely left off the OST)

I might be completely wrong, but this is what I have always felt. Anyone else agree or is it just me?

Seemed a waste of a theme was that so prominent in representing not just the wraiths, but Sauron as well in Fellowship. I hadn’t realised until listening to the complete score that it still pops up a few times even after the Wraiths are gone from the film.
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Well actually I always thought that during the wraith attack on Minis Tirith, a more exciting variation of the Ringwraith theme is used. The rythm is slightly different, but the basic overall feeling I got from the original theme is still there (mostly due to the high shrieking choir) (this is track #13 on the ROTK OST). This time around though the theme is at a more steady pace (instead of the original's two note, long-short style rythm), never seeming to let up, until the brass fanfare representing the Rohan army's charge comes in. (side note: the missing part of this que is one of my most anticipated incomplete ques, that should be on the ROTK CR, as the build up with the Rohan theme was completely left off the OST)

I might be completely wrong, but this is what I have always felt. Anyone else agree or is it just me?

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The choir music for the Ringwraiths in the Battle of Pelennor fields seems to be using the rhythm and form the of the Prophecy choir piece. The similarity starts at 1:28 in the Prochecy and continues to 2:10. The RotK piece is more forceful but the rhythm is the same and even the theme resembles the Prophecy choir theme.

After Fellowship, the wraiths' threat becomes much bigger and broader, and the pace is entirely different, so that might have called for a new approach, based on the same harmonies (not sure about the harmony part ).

@ alan_manc

It could very well be from the "rejected" Shore score because it doesn't sound anything like LOTR. I mean, it resembles the wraith music, but it doesn't feel like it.

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The choir music for the Ringwraiths in the Battle of Pelennor fields seems to be using the rhythm and form the of the Prophecy choir piece. The similarity starts at 1:28 in the Prochecy and continues to 2:10. The RotK piece is more forceful but the rhythm is the same and even the theme resembles the Prophecy choir theme.

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Wow! Never noticed that, nice catch. It most defintetely is a match. The que in ROTK is just a little more threatening with a faster pace. I always liked the Prophecy que, so I'm glad some of it made its way into one of the films.

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by the way.i couldn't hear that piece from the fotr ost(the one from the prologue)anywhere on the complete recordings.

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Me neither. Conincidentally, I don't remember hearing the piece anywhere but on the OST.

[Sarcasm mode off]

The Prophecy had been written before it was decided to include the longer version in the film, and I assume Mr Shore put the original version on the OST, as it is his habit of doing that.

As it stands...those two first minutes of The Propehcy are my favorite couple of minutes from any score or CD in my collection.