[Message edited by Beren on 05-11-2006]

Thanks so much to everyone for the kind words scattered around the last few posts! I’ll try to answer a few questions here, but I’m bit tight on time tonight:

>>>1) How many people are on the team(s) that are creating the box sets?>>>

Christian’s right, the credits will give you the best idea. Shore has a team in NY, Warners has a team in LA (as does the design company that they’ve been working with on the packaging) and everything still runs through Wingnut in New Zealand, so there are quite a number of people watching over this. But it’s not a hydra production… Shore personally oversees everything himself.

>>>2) Does Howard Shore read or hear anything about the fans on these message boards and if so what are his reactions/comments/thoughts?>>>

I think he checks things occasionally, but honestly I don’t know which sites of how often. He’s not on myspace or anything!

>>>3) What other projects are you working on?>>>

Customary Response if 5… 4… 3… You’re going to have to wait a little longer to find that one out. I’m hoping to drop some hints as summer begins to roll around. Stay tuned, I’ll try to keep everyone in the loop. But it’s not going to be too difficult to drum up attention!

>>>I'll be honest, as eager as I am to finally hear both The Two Towers and Return of the King CEs, I'm still discovering plenty of new things in the Fellowship set. I will admit that the CE of Fellowship makes the Two Towers and Return of the King single discs seem rather rushed by comparison.>>>

Well, they were different beasts, and a bit less time intensive. They were very carefully assembled, but by their natures, didn’t require the kind of time the boxed sets do.

>>>I'm sorry, I didn't meant that in a harsh way, but for the average fan, it's not easy to get an insight on this whole production process, so we might be a little too quick at judging certain people.>>>

Not a problem at all. I think everyone involved is doing their very best to meet the expectations of the fans… which, in itself, is probably why there’s some extra time needed here and there. Could these things be slapped together and rushed out the door so that everything is on shelves within a two month span? Sure, I guess. But they’d probably be missing all sorts of things that slipped through fingers in the process… and I know I’d be making way more typos!!

>>>I think he does, at least he hears things through people like Doug (or my *very* good friend, Dan Goldwasser). Maybe Doug can share some anecdotes? Hehe...>>>

Oh ok, here’s one. I had dinner with Howard last February, which was really the first time we’d spoken in depth since the FOTR box came out. As we sat down to eat, he turned to me and said, “So they don’t like the rubber nub, huh?”

>>>Well actually I always thought that during the wraith attack on Minis Tirith, a more exciting variation of the Ringwraith theme is used. The rythm is slightly different, but the basic overall feeling I got from the original theme is still there (mostly due to the high shrieking choir) (this is track #13 on the ROTK OST). This time around though the theme is at a more steady pace (instead of the original's two note, long-short style rythm), never seeming to let up, until the brass fanfare representing the Rohan army's charge comes in. (side note: the missing part of this que is one of my most anticipated incomplete ques, that should be on the ROTK CR, as the build up with the Rohan theme was completely left off the OST)

I might be completely wrong, but this is what I have always felt. Anyone else agree or is it just me?>>>

This is indeed a secondary Wraith theme that moves (just a bit) to a more general representation of the power of Mordor. As Incanus notes, it was first introduced in the original (and unused) Prologue music. But it wasn’t completely excised from FOTR… you can still hear an instrumental setting during the Council of Elrond. It wasn’t discussed in the Fellowship notes because it doesn’t establish its relevance yet in that film. (True, neither did the early versions of the Gondor themes… but I wanted to wait to discuss this Mordor preview. I like the idea of having the liners interlock both forwards and backwards.)

>>>Can't we also consider a gondor theme the short part played when gandalf arrives at minas tirith?We see the city with its towers and can hear some trumpets.It says nothing about it in the booklet or the annotated score.>>>

Listen to the first four French horn notes again… there’s something there, but it’s not Gondor material. That’s another clever Fellowship variation.

>>>Anyway...the recordings are great.My favourite is CD no.2.However i didn't like how the "strider" piece ended.Initially it had the nazgul theme which was taken out.And i hope that "the battle for dagorlad"(if that's the missing choir part from the prologue)will be on the "bonus" disc.>>>

The Battle of Dagorlad is out already. That’s the text to the first track of the original soundtrack CD from back in 2001. The text itself will be in the book, but since it’s not in the film, and hence, not in the boxed set, the text isn’t in the notes. It’ll come, don’t worry.

>>>I hope so too.But i also hope that the future booklets or annotataed scores will be comlpete;meaning they will have all the lyrics of the music heard/played in ttt and rotk.I couldn't find the lyrics from the piece played during gandalf's fall.And the so-called "arwen's prayer" lyrics seemed shorter than what we could hear in fotr when she met the fellowship and after the wraiths part,when frodo was dying.>>>

All texts are there. There is no text for Gandalf’s fall (presumably no one wanted us to write, “Ah…,” right? ), and Arwen’s choral text after the flood is in English, so it’s relatively simply to confirm its completeness.

“What Grace is given me, let it pass to him. Let him be spared. Mighty Valar, save him.”

That’s it in its entirety.

More later. Need to run now. Take care, everyone.

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>>>I'll be honest, as eager as I am to finally hear both The Two Towers and Return of the King CEs, I'm still discovering plenty of new things in the Fellowship set. I will admit that the CE of Fellowship makes the Two Towers and Return of the King single discs seem rather rushed by comparison.>>>

Well, they were different beasts, and a bit less time intensive. They were very carefully assembled, but by their natures, didn’t require the kind of time the boxed sets do.

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Oh, no... what I meant was that while I am eager to hear the music on the other releases, I am content to wait a bit longer because I'm still finding new things to enjoy in the FOTR release.

Thanks,

-Doug

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Originally posted by gkgyver:
A little question for Doug and his ever- watching eye :
is there a conscious connection between the opening bars of The End Of All Things and the Will Of The Ring motif as heard in the prologue?

I thought so for quite a while.

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Prologue:One Ring To Rule Them All 6:18 - 6:29

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Originally posted by gkgyver:
I think Incanus is right about that. Let me see the timings ...

Prologue:One Ring To Rule Them All 6:18 - 6:29

The End Of All Things 0:00 - ca. 0:15

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I don't think it's insignificant that the dialogue for the scene is thus:
Gollum: "Wicked men, servants of Sauron. They are called to Mordor. The Dark One is gathering all armies to him. It won't be long now. He will soon be ready...To make his war. The last war that will cover all the world in Shadow."

Sounds like The Nameless Fear to me.

And perhaps most importantly, the music sounds, to my ears, to be the same as the motif from the Prologue and Galadriel's monologue in TTT.

TTBK

I thought so for quite a while.>>>

There is indeed a bit of a connection between The End of All Things and a motive that you hear in the unused music from Fellowship’s Prologue--which also appears elsewhere in Fellowship, though subdued. This, however, is not the Nameless Fear motif… we’ll explain that one for you in the Two Towers liners, although if I remember right, someone’s already correctly placed the title with the line. (And the ROTK / Prologue connection will be discussed in the ROTK notes as well.)

>>>While we're talking about The Nameless Fear, how about 0:46-1:09 of TTT's "The Forbidden Pool" (Sam, Frodo, and Gollum watching the oliphaunt) ; is that an appearance of the theme?>>>

There’s not a specific theme associated with the Mûmakil. There’s that low end lumbering 3/4 line in Two Towers, yes, but it never reappears anywhere else verbatim. Shore’s approach to the big old creatures is more concerned with the use of the orchestra, than a specific tune. Notice that even during the Battle of Pelennor Shore continues to write burly rolling low end lines coated over by slickly fluid high end writing. There’s not a tune for them, but he’s consistent in his orchestral voicings. In that way, they’re not unlike other monsters of Middle-earth. There’s no Balrog tune, for instance, but when Shore doles out the Balrog’s specific style of writing (which is, of course referenced through the Dwarves’ style), there’s no mistaking what the opening of TTT is all about!

>>>While I think that this thematic material *is* reprised when the Haradrim appear on the Pelennor, it seems (IMO) that it would be more consistent with Shore's approach (and Tolkien's, really...) to view them as extensions of Sauron's will, rather then giving them thematic material specific to them...perhaps the orchestration is unique for them though?>>>

There’s not really a specific connection in material between the beasts’ appearance in Gondor and their appearance in TTT, though again the approach is consistent. However, you’re dead on correct that at this point the Mûmakil are an extension of Mordor. Listen to the timpani in this scene. Now listen to the timpani when Saruman defeats Gandalf the Grey in Orthanc (in FOTR). Hear any connections? So there is a motivic connection here that will be discussed later.

>>>I don't think it's insignificant that the dialogue for the scene is thus:
Gollum: "Wicked men, servants of Sauron. They are called to Mordor. The Dark One is gathering all armies to him. It won't be long now. He will soon be ready...To make his war. The last war that will cover all the world in Shadow."

Sounds like The Nameless Fear to me.>>>

No connections here, but…

>>>And perhaps most importantly, the music sounds, to my ears, to be the same as the motif from the Prologue and Galadriel's monologue in TTT.>>>

Hmmm, what’s that you say?

Thanks Doug!

*patiently (or not so patiently) waits for the TTT notes...*

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There is indeed a bit of a connection between The End of All Things and a motive that you hear in the unused music from Fellowship’s Prologue--which also appears elsewhere in Fellowship, though subdued.

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Now that leaves not much possibilities; there's this flowing celli line that starts right at the beginning or the french horn solo about a minute into the track.
I think that the latter part of The End Of All Things (unused in the film) does indeed sound a little like the opening bars of The Prophecy, but I've never thought this was intentional.

I can't believe that after years of scrutinizing every second of these scores, there are still connections and approaches entirely new to me. For instance, I never noticed the specific approach to the oliphaunts.

I wonder if there ever will be a point where I can rightly say "I know everything".

The final major choral outburst (03:53 onwards)...isn't that a glorious major-key rendition/variation on the Evil Times Motif / Sauron's Theme? A Finally Good Times mtoif, mayhap?

It looks like TTT will be released in Nov/Dec 2006 and ROTK in Nov/Dec 2007 based on what has been said, but nothing is official yet.

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SUPERMAN-MOVIE ANTHOLOGY 14 dvd set in November.

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Can you post any confirmation on this?

Basically can you post a url stating this release?

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Originally posted by azahid:
rumours of the entire Charles Gerahrdt CLASSIC FILM SCORE SERIES

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http://supermanhomepage.com/movies/movies.php?topic=interview-salkind-SE

--Brian

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On http://www.geocities.com/magpie930/main.htm the cue you are reffering to is called "haradrim motif".

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This music is discussed on my site under the heading, "Haradrim Motif"... that is true. But I hope I made it clear that there are different ideas about what this music represents and that "I think" it represents the Haradrim and their Oliphaunts.

A more direct link than Beren's if anyone wishes to read what I wrote:
http://www.geocities.com/magpie930/THEMES/THincidental_music.htm#HaradrimMotif

I do not know this to be true.

I encourage people to use the information on my site to make up their own minds and rarely quote me as having the final and/or correct answer. That's more responsibility than I'm comfortable with.

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Originally posted by BigT1981:
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SUPERMAN-MOVIE ANTHOLOGY 14 dvd set in November.
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Can you post any confirmation on this?

Basically can you post a url stating this release?

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WARNER BROS has already confirmed this. I suggest you browse this information at the following website:
WWW.THEDIGITALBITS.COM, This news was confirmed 3 months ago.

Amer

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Originally posted by franz_conrad:
Kurt, how's it going!

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Originally posted by EldarionSonOfElessar:
Hey Doug, one question: Why is the FOTR CR box red when the TE and EE DVDs of FOTR were green? I thought LOTR releases were color-coded: green for FOTR, red for TTT, blue for ROTK. So will TTT be blue or green?

Color questions aside, the FOTR CR is absolutely fantastic, and I can hardly wait for TTT. Keep up the good work!

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I'd love T2T to be black with red lettering and RotK white with golden lettering.

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Originally posted by EldarionSonOfElessar:
Hey Doug, one question: Why is the FOTR CR box red when the TE and EE DVDs of FOTR were green?

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Another option would be different shades of red/ brown of course, like the internet editions of the OSTs.

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Originally posted by EldarionSonOfElessar:
Hey Doug, one question: Why is the FOTR CR box red when the TE and EE DVDs of FOTR were green? I thought LOTR releases were color-coded: green for FOTR, red for TTT, blue for ROTK. So will TTT be blue or green?

Color questions aside, the FOTR CR is absolutely fantastic, and I can hardly wait for TTT. Keep up the good work!

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Thanks! As our friends below have indicated, the FOTR CR box was red in order to match the red cover on the deluxe FOTR original soundtrack from 2001. If I were a betting man (and I should note that I am not!), I would expect to see the subsequent boxed sets match the color schemes of the deluxe OSTs. But, you never know...

-Doug

which one could it be?did howard shore thought at a main piece of music for the trilogy.could it be the fellowship theme?not for me,because we get to meet new races,people and creatures in the movies;hence the fellowship theme wouldn't be representative for all of middle-earth.maybe the "rarities"/bonus disc could be called something like "unfinished music from middle-earth".