Well gosh darnnit to heck then!

October 24
or
October 31

Halloween is either a great idea for a release or a horrible idea, I really don't know, but I'll say that it's coming out on

Oct. 24th.

24=1
31=0

-Doug

Did everyone catch that little aside there??? Did we, huh, huh!!! "...the window between TTT and ROTK looks to be pretty SMALL!..."

YES! YES! To the sound of thunderous applause and raucus cheering as the assembled hobbits, etc. work it out!! This means, and poor Doug will have to live with the future increased importunations (is that even a word?!) from these assembled multitudes since he has thus raised our expectations, that RotK CR will be released -- apparently -- not at the end of '07 (as has been the case with FotR and TTT) but rather somewhat sooner!!! YES! We loves it, we wants it, my presshuss!

So can we say, we hope that is a Shore thing.... (OUCH!)

And so... we see there is more indeed to these here hobbitses than even the brewing of ales and and the smoking of pipeweed: they do indeed share a love for things that grow, musical things in particular!! And perhaps our agonized wait will not be as protracted for the final installment... 'Tis to be hoped, 'tis!

Tim Fisher

Well gosh darnnit to heck then!

Nah, I'm just kidding. Thanks for the update!>>

Let's see...
We have the OST, and the CR, and the Symphony which let's face it, will surely someday be released (even if was designed for the joys of hearing the music live and in person)... AND now, since the 3 fan credits each run about 20 minutes, we could have yet another assemblage/arrangement of the music on one more cd (assuming the marketeers are listening in), for it does appear the appetite for this glorious stuff is insatiable!!

Do we hear an avalanche of cries of Yes, yes,... we will buy it!?
I know I always find myself winding down from each film by letting the credits roll...

Oh, and Doug, feel free to put in your book a short (but not too short!) appendix about the structure of the fan credits music... (the Professor loved appendices, didn't he!!) ;-) Let's hope the publisher is amenable to added pages...

Tim Fisher

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Originally posted by Timdalf:
Did everyone catch that little aside there??? Did we, huh, huh!!! "...the window between TTT and ROTK looks to be pretty SMALL!..."

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Of course, that *could* mean that with the amount of material to work on for ROTK, and the usual (roughly) one year between releases, the windows between TTT's release and full work on ROTK will be small.

I think Howard Shore was born around that time, too, wasn't he?
I remember that because I thought "darn, just one day sooner and maybe I could have composed like that too!"

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I'm hoping for October 19th

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I’ll say one more thing about the cast performance, then I’ll probably let it drop until the press release gives it away. There was no conscious effort on this release to move away from cast performances, it just worked out that way. The cast performances that weren’t used just didn’t work in context with the score. They were too short, came out of nowhere, went nowhere, and plopped in the middle of an hour of orchestral / choral music, felt uncomfortably out of place. Yes, they were tried, yes I heard them, and no, they didn’t really work. The one that remains fits in quite beautifully with its surroundings, is quite musical in its own right, and feels part of an organic whole.

It’s really quite lovely, and I think it’ll hit the spot for all of you. It did for me, anyway.

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Of course, that *could* mean that with the amount of material to work on for ROTK, and the usual (roughly) one year between releases, the windows between TTT's release and full work on ROTK will be small.>>

Yes, you may be right... and what is more, I thought later what with RotK to do (the longest of the 3) PLUS a book to get out he may indeed be suggesting we might be in for a looooong wait indeed!!

Waaaaaah!

But I guess the right way to take it is, the longer the wait the better the product... and then too, as they say, hunger is the best cook! It will all sound (and read) the sweeter for the wait...

Or to paraphrase Old Willie:
waiting is such sweet torment,
that by its length it portends the less lament!!

You mean you dress yourself as Gimli before you go online. Please don't say axe and helmet have replaced shirt and sneakers!

>> It’s all a matter of what high res pictures New Line has on hand, and what looks the most dynamic. In the case of covers, obviously the image has to be something iconic and representative of film’s story as a whole. >>

Hey *Doug* (I think I'm missing something...oh, its the Mr. ) thanks for the answers. Still a bit curious though. You said that "the image has to be something iconic and representative of film’s story as a whole". True. But wouldn't that image of Saruman defeated by Gandalf be great? The one from ROTK:EE, when his staff is broken and he has those tears in his dark eyes? Sorry for playing the pest.

Also, for everyone who's been creating blue mock-ups of TTT:CR. Who's to say that its gonna be blue? As far as I can remember, Doug said that the sets should match the Limited editions of the soundtracks. And just for the record, unlike FOTR, there were two colours each for TTT and ROTK. In the case of TTT, blue - Limited Edition and brown - Internet Limited Edition. Well, the closest match to the very very elegant maroon is of course, brown, in which case ROTK will end up being that shade of magenta (or whatever, remember the cones in my eyes?)

So, any people creating mock-ups, lets see something to that effect huh?

The treebeard entwife song is looking like a frightening possibility as well. The score behind the song is great and I think including the song would ruin it.

The ROTK limited CD covers are maroon and green, so it obviously makes sense to have ROTK:CR green for the same reasons above.

>>>although the window between TTT and ROTK looks to be pretty small!<<<

You sure got us talking on this little blurb, Doug!

I think it's quite obvious that Eowen's song will be included on this release and not Gollum's or Treebeard's song. The voices are too jarring to stand by themselves with the score.

I can't wait to hear the Warg scene as Shore scored it, it will be interesting to play it as the movie rolls on this scene...

>>>It’s Uglúk, of course. And don’t forget the accent on the “u,” you’ll need it to properly type the track titles in a few months.<<<

Hmmmm, what will the track title be, "Ugluk Adds to the Menu"

Hopefully this will come out on 10/24, I will be too busy on Halloween with my 5 year old!

Thanks for the updates Doug, love to read them as always!

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Originally posted by segali:
the cast voice will have to be Eowyn's, reason being -

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Your word in Eru's ear.

*It will contain 3 to 3.5 hours of music.

*All the music will be contained on three audio CDs.

*The set will include a bonus audio DVD with the entire score in surround sound (just like FOTR).

*It will feature one (and only one) cast performer from the film. So far, the possibilties have been narrowed down to Miranda Otto singing Eowyn's Lament for Theodred (the most likely candidate) , Andy Serkis "singing" Gollum's Fish Song , Bernard Hill reciting the Horse and the Rider poem, and John Rhys-Davies reciting Treebeard's poem.

*One of the track titles has the word "Ugluk" in it.

*The set will be released in late October, either on the 24th or the 31st. My guess is the 31st, though of course I'm hoping for the 24th.

*Edit*

*And it will be awesome!

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You know what I'm hoping for? Good sales numbers.

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Speaking of which, how is FOTR:CR doing financially? Where can I see the numbers?

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It will feature one (and only one) cast performer from the film. So far, the possibilties have been narrowed down to Miranda Otto singing Eowyn's Lament for Theodred (the most likely candidate) , Andy Serkis "singing" Gollum's Fish Song , Bernard Hill reciting the Horse and the Rider poem, and John Rhys-Davies reciting Treebeard's poem.

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What we do know from Doug is:
The cast performances that weren’t used just didn’t work in context with the score.
They were too short, came out of nowhere, went nowhere, and plopped in the middle of an hour of orchestral / choral music, felt uncomfortably out of place.
The one that remains fits in quite beautifully with its surroundings, is quite musical in its own right, and feels part of an organic whole.
He isn't going to say anymore on the subject till the official release.

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But Doug did not specifically narrow it down to those scenes

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In fact, he did:

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>>>What diegetic music can we expect for TTT? Eowyn's lament for Theodred seems obvious, but is there anything else? Treebeard's poetry? Gollum's fish-song? Theoden reciting "Where is the Horse and the Rider"? <<<

As of the current edit, there will be one cast performer only on the Two Towers boxed set, and yes, you mention that performer above.

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OST(trk 19)
Gollum's Song
Eowyn's Theme
Rohan Theme & End

FILM
Gollum's Song
(tracked from TT)
Eowyn's Theme
Seduction of the Ring Theme
Forth Eorlingas-Beginning
Diminishment of the Elves Theme(FOTR trkd)
Rivendell Theme
Evenstar
('regular')
Rohan Theme & End

So my question, again, is, will any of this tracked music within the End Credits be on the CR or will the CR be identical to the OST, track 19??? FOTR: CR is like the film version (which includes the tracked music), not the OST version(grrrhhhh ...oh,well, can't have everything my way ).

Also, about the Wolves of Isengard "cue" , in the film it has the Isengard theme before going silent with the smack of the 2 forces. Is that Isengard rendition from FOTR or original??? (I'm thinking of the 2nd use of the theme in FOTR, during the Pass of Caradhras...hmmmm...)

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Originally posted by Cavalier_of_Palahndtüs:
For Mr. Adams, our great hero... ....About the End Credit question I had...I wasn't talking about the Fan Club Credits, but the End Credits. I know that the FC Credits music will not be on the CR, of course, but I was asking about the section of tracked music during the End Credits. It's something like this:

OST(trk 19)
Gollum's Song
Eowyn's Theme
Rohan Theme & End

FILM
Gollum's Song
(tracked from TT)
Eowyn's Theme
Seduction of the Ring Theme
Forth Eorlingas-Beginning
Diminishment of the Elves Theme(FOTR trkd)
Rivendell Theme
Evenstar
('regular')
Rohan Theme & End

So my question, again, is, will any of this tracked music within the End Credits be on the CR or will the CR be identical to the OST, track 19??? FOTR: CR is like the film version (which includes the tracked music), not the OST version(grrrhhhh ...oh,well, can't have everything my way ).

Also, about the Wolves of Isengard "cue" , in the film it has the Isengard theme before going silent with the smack of the 2 forces. Is that Isengard rendition from FOTR or original??? (I'm thinking of the 2nd use of the theme in FOTR, during the Pass of Caradhras...hmmmm...)

Thank you very much, Doug, me boy!!!

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About your 2nd question: The CR SHOULD MOST DEFINITELY differ from the film and correspond to the OST APPROPRIATELY SO. Do you want the Wolves of Isengard section to sound like the OST or the film(which has tracking)? I think everyone would vote for the OST over the film. So, the CR End Credits music should not contain the tracked music that is in the film because all of the tracked music will be where it belongs in the CR. So, it SHOULD sound like the OST then. Unlike FOTR: FILM End Credits, the TT FILM End Credits does NOT sound like "a suite". It works well enough for FOTR: CR, so that's probably one reason why Howard kept it that way for the CR, but with TT...no, so he should present the music on the CR for TT like the OST, when talking strictly about the End Credits music. (whew, I'm exhausted) And, I think that the tracked music in TT End Credits acts as "filler" music because the OST length isn't long enough, so more music is needed then. They obviously wanted the music to be "quieter" and the 2nd half relates more to the elves. So, they didn't just throw something together, but still, it DOESN'T BELONG ON THE CR. Save it for the film. That's what I think. Thanks, and I hope you're not confused now. No hard feelings.

Except that line by Doug about the window between TTT:CR and ROTK:CR being small. Sounds interesting. I think that would be because there's just so much music in ROTK as compared to FOTR and TTT. Also, couple that with the work that needs to be done on the Book, if they're planning on a simultaneous release (alongwith a "rarities disc" huh??) and a year seems a pretty short time to get so much done.