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Originally posted by John Steel:
You're right, LOTR is unquestionably ranked higher than Armageddon (though i like it veery much). I too plan to sit through the 3cds, or rather the one dvd
I wonder when the other 2 episodes will come out, maybe 1 in each year?

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Originally posted by Swashbuckler:
The only thing I'm worried about is that sales of the first set might not be what was expected and the next two might get cancelled.

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DISC 1
1. Prologue: One Ring to Rule Them All 7:16
2. The Shire 2:29
3. Bag End 4:35
4. Very Old Friends 3:12
5. Flaming Red Hair 2:39
6. Farewell Dear Bilbo 1:45
7. Keep It Secret, Keep It Safe 8:53
8. A Conspiracy Unmasked 6:09
9. Three Is Company 1:58
10. The Passing of the Elves 2:39
11. Saruman the White 4:09
12. A Shortcut to Mushrooms 4:07
13. Strider 2:34
14. The Nazgul 6:04
Total Time: 58:29

DISC TWO
1. Weathertop 2:14
2. The Caverns of Isengard 4:54
3. Give Up the Halfling 4:49
4. Orthanc 1:06
5. Rivendell 3:26
6. The Sword That Was Broken 3:34
7. The Council of Elrond Assembles 4:01
8. The Great Eye 5:30
9. Gilraen's Memorial 5:01
10. The Pass of Caradhras 5:04
11. The Doors of Durin 6:03
12. Moria 2:27
13. Gollum 2:26
14. Balin's Tomb 8:30
Total Time: 59:05

DISC THREE
1. Khazad-Dum 8:00
2. Caras Galadhon 9:20
3. The Mirror of Galadriel 6:21
4. The Fighting Uruk Hai 11:32
5. Parth Galen 9:13
6. The Departure of Boromir 5:29
7. The Road Goes Even On (Part 1) 5:58
8. "May It Be" - Enya 3:26
9. The Road Goes Even On (Part 2) 3:41
Total Time: 63:00

Edit: If not ignore my post then.

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Originally posted by gkgyver:
So, the Fan Club Credits aren't there. Bummer.
The tracks seem kinda ... short. I mean, Doug, are you positive there are some unused bits in there?

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Indy spies the Ark of Covenant on the catacomb wall and replies dryly…

Pretty sure.

-Doug

Indy spies the Ark of Covenant on the catacomb wall and replies dryly…

Pretty sure.

-Doug

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Very well said Doug.

Track times are pretty much what I expected. They are not short by any means and there is 3 hours of this wonderful music. I think that should please everybody. Fan Credits are an insignificant loss (if we can call that a loss at all except for the alternate Breaking of the Fellowship) I am just waiting patiently (well atleast almost) for the release date to hear all of it. Only 9 days to the UK release date. I feel so giddy right now

Was there so much unused material in FOTR anyway that it should add very much to the over all length of the score?

I would also like to know if the DVD contains only the score or will there be any surprises on it?

I hope this tirade helps to decide whether to wait for it to be released in Australia (13.12. most likely) or buy it from US.

Anyway, I don't think there was any music written specifically for the end credits, except the tail ends of the three title songs.
I have to add though that I've got absolutely no clue what "Bilbo's Song" was actually written for, so the placement in the EE credits might have been intended.

And I'm not positive about the extended/ alternate (whatever) take of Breaking Of The Fellowship either. It doesn't sound like an alternate take; it feels like a standalone cue, much like Bilbo's Song.

You know, it's not so much the fact that it doesn't get a release (I can burn off dozens of different LOTR compilations myself), it's the feeling that we might never get comments or liner notes about those cues.
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I am with you on that point about finally knowing the idea behind the themes and different cues. The liners truly are half of the joy.(Hooray for Doug!) We get to hear the facts from the composer himselfso there are no more second guesses about the material or thematic structure.

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And I'm not positive about the extended/ alternate (whatever) take of Breaking Of The Fellowship either. It doesn't sound like an alternate take;

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As far as I know, this was recorded along with some of the Moria material in New Zealand in April 2001 (it may have appeared in the Cannes preview). I'm sure that Doug has more information on this.

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Originally posted by gkgyver:
Date moved AGAIN!

December 5th for the UK ... great. Why is it so hard to predict these things, huh? Even 5 DAYS before the release date?

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Originally posted by AustinHusker:
FYI, this is now up at Barnes & Noble's site as well. Sweet, now I can use my in-store credit to get this! Shipping is free since it is over $25. If you are a B&N member the price is $48.58, not too bad.
http://music.barnesandnoble.com/search/product.asp?userid=X71rSSOC8h&EAN=93624945420 &ITM=1

-Chad

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Just an update on this, now the member price at Barnes & Noble has dropped to $45.88, they dropped the B&N price from 10% off list to 15% off.

Just 15 days to go!

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Originally posted by AustinHusker:
So did anyone in Europe get this on 11/28 or has the date been changed again? If so post your thoughts, pictures of the set, etc...

-Chad

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By the way, here are the first soundclips from Disc 1: http://www.wom.de/poprock/detail/-/hnum/8367859/rk/home/rsk/hitlist

Spotted an unused bit in track 12

EDIT: here's WAY more: http://www.buch.de/shop/bde_mu_hg_startseite/suchartikel/der_herr_der_ringe_die_gefaehrten_komplett/EAN0093624945420/ID11378577.html

I am really getting irritated. And I tend to get people around me irritated with my complaining too so the situation is a little aggravating

BTW the soundclips sound great! This will only make the wait harder

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Originally posted by gkgyver:
Oh, I didn't want to suggest you to buy it at amazon.de, I just wanted to brag a little

The price is a joke, really! And amazon is still the cheapest! Go to other stores and you'll find prices that range between 80 and 86 €!

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http://www.amazon.fr/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000BNI90O/qid=1133370242/sr=2-2/ref=sr_2_11_2/171-1083144-8974644

Less than two weeks now, and you’ll finally get to see what’s been cooking all these years!

Oh, almost forgot, keep your browsers hovering over the official site:
http://www.lordoftherings-soundtrack.com/

...you’ll see why soon!

-Doug Adams

Doug, looking at the picture for the contents inside the box makes me want your book release even more, I am sure it will be up to par with this in terms of quality. Thanks again for all of your hard work on this enormous project!!

Hi everyone,

Ok, so to answer the burning question… what does “Complete” really mean here?

Answer: It means the same thing it did on June 26, 2005, when I posted the below in this thread ( http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.asp?threadID=28003&forumID=1&pageID=2 ) :

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Q: Will it include all the music?

A: Yes, essentially. It will contain every piece of music heard in the DVD cut of the film.

Q: Wait, “essentially”? What’s that supposed to mean?

A: Not much, relax. It’s possible that if composition X contains a phrase of 5/4 Isengard percussion music seven times in a row, they may trim it to three to create a more sensible musical experience. But, even these decisions are not absolutely finalized, so it’s possibly a moot point. The bottom line is this: If a piece of music appears in the DVD cut of Lord of the Rings, it will be on CD. If a piece of music was written for the Lord of the Rings and not used, it will be on CD. If a piece of music was written and used in Lord of the Rings but slightly edited in the film, the piece of music as originally composed, performed and recorded, will be on CD.

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And that's as true now as it was then. There will be some *minor* nips and tucks on the boxed set. Why? Well, to make it sound better, of course! It’s not a question of running times, or anything of that sort, these were musical decisions made to create a tighter album. And if that has you worried, please don’t let it. I’m not kidding when I say “minor” nips and tucks… I’d bet that over the course of the three-hour score, they’ve perhaps clipped about 45 seconds, maybe less. And that’s 45 (or so) non-contiguous seconds over the course of the entire three-disc set.

What kinds of things were snipped? As I said above, perhaps figures that were repeated verbatim three times in a row will now only be heard twice. Perhaps a chord that sustained 10 seconds without change may be cut to 5 seconds without change. There are no changes in ordering of pieces, the score isn’t going to build through Gandalf’s recounting of his experiences at Isengard, and then hack out the trumpet passage heard when the eagle arrives. This is not a “Well, we had to create an album so we had to make major structural changes,” type of deal. It’s just a few tiny cosmetic tweaks, the majority of which you’ll probably never notice unless you’re trying to sync the music to the film for a homemade isolated score. Not that *cough* I would *cough* ever try doing such a thing! smile

And second, shouldn’t “Complete” really mean “Complete,” as in every note recorded for The Fellowship of the Ring? Well, I suppose, yeah, in the most officiously literal sense possible. But, please realize that in requesting this, you’d better be prepared to shell out for about 17 discs of unused Fellowship takes. Everything in this score was recorded multiple times, and I’m not talking about compositional revisions. The recording process here was more akin to a classical process. Shore and company had a very long time to work with the London Philharmonic, and much of that was dedicated to refining performances in a very, very specific way. If you really want to hear 15 takes of the same 17 bars in which the violin intonation is a little wobbly, you may need to reconsider your holiday scheduling! Let’s all take “Complete” in the sense in which it’s intended: The final form of all the music written for the film.

Third, I see a good deal of worry regarding the New Zealand Symphony’s performance of the Breaking of the Fellowship, but I’m going to have to revert to my old dodgy ways of answering questions here. But consider the following:

1) Part of the brilliance of this score and of this boxed-set presentation is just how dramatically well-rounded the entire affair is. It’s not just a collection of short pieces, it’s a beautiful singular, self-contained musical work. Shore wrote a finale to this work in his End Credits music. Does it really make musical sense to move from a beautiful climactic statement of the Fellowship theme to a repeated isolated moment from earlier in the score and end there? Musically, it just doesn’t work well like that. This is dramatic music, meant to tell a story. Repeating a chunk of that story – and after the climax at that! – just doesn’t make any sense. Wait until you hear the whole set. It moves you through the story so wonderfully, and ends so note-perfectly. It’d be a crime to suddenly be yanked out of that for a random unused take.

2) …And besides, wouldn’t that piece be better used as part of a collection of particularly interesting unused takes (or first drafts) that could stand alone (at some later point) where they wouldn’t disrupt the beautiful musical story-telling taking place? I’m just saying…

Oh and no, the liner notes won’t delve too much into things like this, but that was a decision I made. I didn’t want the notes to be self-referential like that. In other words, I wanted you to read about the making of the music, not the making of the album. The notes are supposed to discuss the creation and function of art, not the creation of the product that showcases that art. Does that make any sense? It’d be like if someone made a book called The Making of The Making of the Lord of the Rings and then discusses why the third paragraph on Orc masks was cut out.

You’ll see, though, there’s going to be plenty of behind the scenes info available soon. And I mean “plenty” as seriously as I mean “minor” above! Keep watching the official website, by the way: http://www.lordoftherings-soundtrack.com/

Believe me, guys, I understand the fretting out there better than you think. This music means a lot to many people, and you want to see it done right. I imagine it’s like turning your kids over the best babysitter in the world. No matter how amazing their track record, you’re still going to be flipping through worst case scenarios in your mind. All I can say is that everyone involved in this project cares about the music as much as you do, and has done everything possible to make it a landmark release – something you’ve truly never had before.

Any other questions, please post ‘em up!

This last week is going to take forever to wait and if they would just get this site going it will help to pass the time!