Sounds god-damned incredible to me!

The official site has 3 mini trailers for TV.

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And Mike, you're sloppy as ever.

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Originally posted by BMikeJ:
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[b] And Mike, you're sloppy as ever.

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I'm trying to be less sloppy and more with it, Sean. Surely, you're old enough to appreciate the Reese's Peanut Butter Cup reference...[/B]

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Yes, Mike, I thought your joke was funny: but go to Mark's link immediately!

Initially it almost didn't strike me as a SW theme, but there is some very familiar craftmanship being displayed there. And like so many cues before it, gave the visuals an almost unfair level of power. I hope this is just the tip of the iceberg!

In regards to the spot itself, mostly decent writing and acting (McDiarmid will steal this show in my opinion) except for that one line by Portman which just confuses me as to how Lucas sat there and thought it'd fit. I just hope it's incorporated a little better for the final film (TV spots are notorious for speeding things up a tad too much).

Until then sit down, shut up and enjoy the movie and quit complaining about it..or better yet, don't go see it!

I'm so sick and tired of this being brought up....

Well put, Mike. But I can see where Trent is coming from: Alex is of that ridiculous "critical Star Wars fan" sect that can somehow pass judgement on a film simply by it's previews, which doesn't suffice for his opinion to be taken seriously. Also, Star Wars doesn't belong to any of us, so why the delusional desire of being a child again? I guess if, say, you don't like action or hate Star Wars, than we could begin to go Alex's path, for whatever bizarre reason he and others like him have. (And his is pretty mild.)

Oh, and Mike, about Academy Award calibre: apparently the sadomasochistic psychopath Mel Gibson is of the same calibre, so I wouldn't put too much stock in that sort of recognition; but you're right, Natalie Portman is a great actor!

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I'm sorry but you've got to be the biggest baby when it comes to someone saying somethign bad about Star Wars.
Your worse then Sean going off on someone who enjoys Michael Bay films.

The last two Star War films have had bad acting in it. And I'm a terrible actor. So it takes a bad actor to know bad acting. And the last two have had plenty of it.
I've seen better acting in Leprechaun: Back 2 Da Hood!

I await fanboy attacks!

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[b]Natalie Portman is a great actor!

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She is - its just Lucas isn't a good director.

jwb

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Go to hell Jeff and leave me the hell a lone.

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Touchy

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Can't we all agree the first two Star Wars prequels stank and had terrible performances?

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Actually, I disagree, well, at least with Natalie Portman. In every other war she has had she's been amazing. I blame Lucas. And Hayden Christensen, he sucks. But other than that I blame Lucas.

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I am looking forward to seeing it based on what I've seen so far...

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For those interested, the 60 second Hype-R-Space preview is "Grievous Speaks to Lord Sidious". Its sounds like what would happen if "Belly of the Steel Beast" and "Call of the Champions" had a baby.

Neil

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A friend sent me this clip saying it is from ROTS. Not sure if it is or not. Buut it does sound like Williams. http://www.blinky-productions.com/music/rotsclip.mp3 [Message edited by Jeff78 on 04-05-2005]

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[b]A friend sent me this clip saying it is from ROTS. Not sure if it is or not. Buut it does sound like Williams. http://www.blinky-productions.com/music/rotsclip.mp3 [Message edited by Jeff78 on 04-05-2005]<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, all you Hyperspace people, tell us if that is the music or not. And thanks for posting that, Jeff! It sound great—whatever it is! lol[/B]

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No prob. See, I'm not the ******* star wars people make me out to be. lol

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brief "harry potter" reference? how about note the brief "jaws" reference where he plays those two low notes....or note the "hook" reference, or "minority report" reference....what the hell...?

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Geez! Someone's testy! Pardon me for not being so "astute," but all I could pick up was a slight (and by that, I mean VERY slight) reference to Harry Potter ... and yes I have seen the note breakdowns at jwfan.net, but that means nothing to me.

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It's called "STYLE!"
(Lancy above me here got it right, why can't the rest of you)

References, heh, style is more like it.

And BigT, it's not so much the acting as it is the direction and script (but acting is an off shoot of the direction). I mean really, look at "A New Hope," "Phantom Menace," and "Attack of the Clones" ALL Lucas. Now, why is that "Empire and "Jedi" are so much better? Well for one, Lucas's didn't write anything, he did story and exe. produced, two good positions for him.

I mean really, Kershner did a great directing job for "Empire" and Kasdan's script is bad ass. And for "Jedi," Marquand's directing is not that bad, but its better than Lucas. And once again, Kasdan writes, but the script is more Kasdan than Lucas (since they both share credit.)

It's not that "Star Wars" is a bas series, it's just that Lucas's direction and writing is bland and boring. Visual effects don't make up for that and editing can only go so far.

I'm a filmmaker myself, (editor mostly, but I have directed just so you know), and yes, it can be hard to direct actors. But, added to that, if the script is written well and the actors really know their character its cause for a better film all around. Lucas has a good grasp on visuals, but its writing and direction he just doesn't have.

The truth of the matter is there are better directors and writers out there who could have brought these three new films up to be bad ass. I've known the ending chapter and what happens in this saga for a number of years and as a fan of the series (despite the Kirby stuff, I do like these movies), I hope Lucas does it right...but given his track record, I am reserving judgement, but I'm not holding my breath either.

I grew up with these movies same as you, don't think you are the only one here who doesn't have a soft spot for the original trilogy. And now that I've grown up and have really looked at these movies, I feel more and more that it really does come down to Lucas doing both the writing and directing and of course the acting is linked to that. People are entitled to their own opinions, let them voice it with out getting all defensive. People bash "LOTR" and laugh because I listen to film score, does it bother me? Kind of, but I'm usually over it in a hurry.

Jeff makes comments because that's how he feels, as do I. You called me crazy and didn't believe me when I brought up "The 4th World" and Jack Kirby, but it's all there if you do the research.

Let go a bit man, it's all gonna be fun come May 19th. I mean hell, I'll be the guy at the midnight showing who yells during the "Long, long time ago" card "I love you John Williams!"

--Brian

The Empire Strikes Back is the best Star Wars film, but it would be silly to lump the success of the film and it's own mastery in the Star Wars universe on Lawrence Kasdan and Irvin Kershner (remember, he did go on to direct the second dumbest Robocop film, and Kasdan's filmmaking ain't that hot, either [forgetting Raiders of the Lost Ark and Dreamcatcher]). John Williams also composed his best score ever for that film.

The strongest section of Return of the Jedi is quite obviously the fourth and final act of the film. And might I add, this is the section scripted by George Lucas; the rest was written by Lawrence Kasdan. To write that it's Kasdan who propped up Return of the Jedi is false. Lucas wrote and envisioned the dramatic close to the saga and it is to his credit that, that film is as good as it is (Lawrence Kasdan wanted to kill off a main character in that final act, but it never would have worked; there was just so much going on so quickly, and tightly paced, that there would have been no time for the audience to absorb the death of any one of the main heroes—Harrison Ford wanted it to be him who bit the bullet, but it just wouldn't have worked, and it was for the better that Lucas kept his script for that section as-is)—and not only that, it is the most impressive special effects film to date.

I would argue that his direction isn't "bland and boring" as you write, but actually very good and very aware of pacing (keeping to the original trilogy). Just watch the scene in Star Wars when, on the Death Star, Tarkin (Peter Cushing) informs his subordinates of the Emperor's "desolving" of the Senate. That's tightly written and packs a lot of information and exposition into a small part of the film.

You also seem to forget that George Lucas has never claimed to be a good or great writer, and actually claims to the contrary, and that Star Wars films are meant to be "silent films" (as he saw them). So, no qualms there. There is an obvious gap in quality from the original trilogy to the new series, and in my opinion, it comes from being away from the material for so long ... I needn't get mad or upset about it, but it's probably true: George Lucas is rusty.

It's too bad, Brian, that people laugh at you for listening to film scores. The response I get is a pretty inquisitive and curious one—wanting to know more. I won't bash The Lord of the Rings, but I'll just say that they're boring films and esoteric books, and Peter Jackson did the best he could with the poor material he was forced to work with.

Lancelot, if you meant to simply state that the clip sounded like a John Williams score, than that wasn't clear. Your post seemed annoyed or fed up with his music, which would have been too bad, because the clip, in my opinion, sounded great! And I'm sure others feel the same way.

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