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    Topic:   For $70, you too can be a Hans Zimmer

     PeterK
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    http://mediasoftware.sonypictures.com/loop_libraries/ShowLoop.asp?SPID=327

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    posted 04-14-2005 02:09 PM PT (US)     

     Lancelot
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    Er...what are you implying?

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    posted 04-14-2005 04:18 PM PT (US)     

     Scorro
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    Hans is quite adept at writing thematically creative and fitting music. Can't be put in a box and sold, or we'd all be doing it.

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    posted 04-14-2005 04:29 PM PT (US)     

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    There's a ton of software and sampling libraries out there that are very similar. My audio production teacher once played me some very Herrmann-esque music he had put together in Acid using some orchestral sample library, the name of which I can't remember. It was extremely convincing and sounded totally authentic. Even more authentic, in terms of sound quality, than the scores Zimmer records with a real orchestra (i.e., I simply don't understand the advantage he sees in altering his scores to sound the way they do...but that's a personal choice, I guess).

    I suppose this is one of the reasons I am becoming less and less impressed with some modern scores; the technology is such that anyone with money to buy the software and just a rudimentary knowledge of the way music works can produce something that sounds at least as good as your average temp-track copy. As time goes on and the technology progresses, I fear it's going to get harder and harder to tell the professional hacks from the people who actually know what they're doing. Although maybe this problem has always been with us, it's just that now instead of hiring ghostwriters to fill in the gaps the hacks will hire computers.

    Mind you, I'm not saying the technology per se is a bad thing. For someone who actually does know what they're doing, it can be very helpful and save lots of time. Unfortunately, it can also be very good at covering up the mistakes of people who have no idea, or filling in the gaps for others who are simply lazy, and it has only a certain set of methods for correcting such mistakes and filling in such gaps. Ergo, more and more music is going to sound exactly alike.

    I hope I don't know what I'm talking about.

    Kirk

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    posted 04-14-2005 04:52 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    As time goes on and the technology progresses, I fear it's going to get harder and harder to tell the professional hacks from the people who actually know what they're doing.

    True, but I think this will only be reflected in the quality of the recording/realism of the audio samples. Being able to tell the difference between a talented composer as opposed to a mediocre or crap composer will still be pretty easy to tell, I think.

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    posted 04-14-2005 05:41 PM PT (US)     

     Norman McCay
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    Terrific, another Zimmer/MV bashing reference.

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    posted 04-14-2005 07:30 PM PT (US)     

     PeterK
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    I don't know about you, but I was kidding. Or joking, if that's your persuasion. It may seem as a bash, yes, but that's not my intent. Backdraft is one awesome piece of junk (the good kind of junk). Yes, it's possible that under the joke there may be a serious shade suggesting more and more "composers" will hit the screen who've never credentialed themselves on finding middle C thanks to pre-programmed loops and samples.

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    posted 04-14-2005 09:23 PM PT (US)     

     Mark Olivarez
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    I've always wanted to be a film composer, now I can finally realize my dream.

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    posted 04-15-2005 06:38 AM PT (US)     

     Richard
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    You might also want to check out The Complete Idiot's Guide to becoming a Hack.

    I'm still waiting for mine to come in the post, but I do have The Complete Idiot's Guide to HTML, so, if that's anything to go by then I'm sure 'Hack' will prove to be very insightful.

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    posted 04-15-2005 09:07 PM PT (US)     

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    In the software's defense, it could be incredibly useful for film students that have a little knowledge of music and can't afford to have a composer score their films.

    However, I'm sure this will be (and has been) used in the "professional" world as well, and I'm not sure how I feel about that yet.

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    posted 04-15-2005 10:05 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    In the software's defense, it could be incredibly useful for film students that have a little knowledge of music and can't afford to have a composer score their films.

    Yes, I got the impression when I was reading the blurb about it that it was like a collection of different cues of varying lengths to suit different dramatic situations, and so is essentially a music library. I agree, this could be veru useful for young film makers. Initially I thought that this was just a sound sample pack so that you could 'harness the power' of a Hollywood 'sound' (ie, MV) in the comfort of your own home.

    Something like this Cinemascape pack could also provide composers wishing to work in film with the opportunities for their music to be heard. I suppose the only problem with such a thing would be...

    a.) being taken advantage of because its royalty free, and

    b.) depending on how many people buy the software (or have composers sending them their own 'free' music sampler CDs), some people might start to notice a string of films all using the same music. Maybe this would be unlikely though, as any films getting enough exposure for people to notice the re-use of a score can probably afford to hire a composer and have a score 'tailor made'.

    c.) Imho, it's a bit of a cop out. If it enhances a film then it's really only by chance as the music hasn't been written with a specific film in mind and I seriously doubt whether some film maker somewhere is producing/writing their next film with the music from this Cinemascape pack in mind. What's more is that it's probably won't hold up very well as stand-alone music either. Of course, I might be wrong, but that's just my suspicion.
    It also seems to me that this is different to a director taking pre-exisiting popular or classical music, etc, and inserting it into their film. I'm not sure why exactly, but perhaps it has to do with that music already having a life outside of a film.

    Peace!

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    posted 04-15-2005 11:00 PM PT (US)     

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    Anyone with fingers to press the white keys on a casio can beat Zimmer and associates. Now that software will do it for you....

    Just need creative agents and managers and PR.

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    posted 04-15-2005 11:03 PM PT (US)     

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    simply cause i love film scores more so than most movies this would be a cool thing to have for my personal gratification!

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    posted 04-23-2005 12:46 PM PT (US)     

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    Finally rented The Last Samurai last evening, generally liked the movie and took notice of the music. Waited through the credits for the composer and see Hans Zimmer's name scroll past. Looked at the reviews by moviemusic members and they seem to like the CD. Hans as progressed far beyond The Rock.

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    posted 04-23-2005 02:44 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Scorro:
    Hans as progressed far beyond The Rock.

    Yeah, it's too bad you missed out on The Thin Red Line, Gladiator, Black Hawk Down, Hannibal, and King Arthur ... to mention his recent and best efforts; Last Samurai presents a muted rehash of The Thin Red Line ("A Hard Teacher"), Gladiator ("A Way of Life" and "Specters In The Fog"), and Pearl Harbour ("The Final Charge"). And Zimmer only wrote the main theme for The Rock (he said that it's not very good, and only the best thing he could think of in the short period of time he had to boost that score), as all the rest of the music was done by Nick Glennie-Smith, Harry Gregson-Williams, and Don Harper.


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    posted 04-23-2005 05:52 PM PT (US)     

     Scorro
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    Nope, didn't miss out on those scores with respect to their use in the movies. Listened to them solo on CD, but no purchase. On reviewing Samuarai again there is an atmospheric similarity to TRL, a score I think works wonderfully well in the movie. Haven't missed out on a thing, once I get around to seeing the flick (for some reason the Samurai trailers didn't make us want to rent, purely an impulse after seeing a shogun/samurai documentary on PBS recently). Still think Zimmer is underrated, my main point... so, nothing is "too bad".

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    posted 04-23-2005 11:01 PM PT (US)     

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    I'm all for Hans Zimmer/Media Ventures bashing (one of two scores excepted) but there's something going on here even more depressing than the faux music of Zimmer.

    To Sony, they seem to be out to do people a favor here, help them get scores for their low-budget productions with some neat score-providing software, but behind this is the implication that anyone with a few computer programs, some samples of instruments, and some generic free-to-use cues can come up with scores. It's like going on-line and downloading free clip art or fonts for the term paper you're writing. Besides that, it's old hat. There have already been albums like Music for Your Home Movies. The local Community Access TV station has a CD of copyright-free cues you can dub into your productions. The result: everything on the station sounds like the same elevator/70s TV show music. Ugh.

    We who care about music and film music know that a film score should be more than some synth fakes and some droning. Not everyone has access to Maurice Jarre and the London Philharmonic. And, if you are scoring your own home video that you shot and are editing on your Mac, it might be better to noodle around with the Sony program and come up with your own original than just dub in music off cds you don't have copyright to, but there's still something culturally offensive about all of this.

    [Message edited by Lou Goldberg on 05-01-2005]

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