Later in the evening, MI6 debunked it as "just a rumor, nothing confirmed as of yet":
http://www.mi6.co.uk/news/index.php?itemid=2889

If any of it leads anywhere I will be happy. As a fan of Fleming's novels and the earlier films in the series, I am enthusiastic for the choice of Craig to take control of the character; but am I the only one who thinks that everything about this film is become a joke? It's almost to the point where nobody except for the die-hard purists will be interested in the film when it opens (a bit like Batman Begins was earlier in the summer).

But now to the ACTUAL point of this thread; the fact that I headed over to the film's IMDb page and checked the status of its cast and crew. To my surprise, David Arnold has been removed from scoring - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0381061/fullcredits - and only Monty Norman's name appears. Now, I clearly know that we should not trust IMDb with a great majority of the info that gets leaked; but if this is true - as much as I like Arnold as a composer - this is good news as it looks like someone else might be able to step in (*paging John Barry*). I would also like to hear John Powell's approach to the series.

So, what do you think of all the news?

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Originally posted by Quill:
Sorry...as much as I respect Craig as an actor, he is a poor choice for Bond. I think Casino Royal will be a one hit blunder.

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I think that Craig will be a fine choice, just give him time and a bit of a makeover. Hey, we could have gotten Orlando Bloom.

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Originally posted by nuts_score:
But now to the ACTUAL point of this thread; the fact that I headed over to the film's IMDb page and checked the status of its cast and crew. To my surprise, David Arnold has been removed from scoring - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0381061/fullcredits - and only Monty Norman's name appears. Now, I clearly know that we should not trust IMDb with a great majority of the info that gets leaked; but if this is true - as much as I like Arnold as a composer - this is good news as it looks like someone else might be able to step in (*paging John Barry*). I would also like to hear John Powell's approach to the series.

So, what do you think of all the news?

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Arnold is NOT off CASINO ROYALE. On his message board at www.davidarnold.com he states that is an error and he recently had done temp music for the various replacement Bond screen tests.

NO to Powell. No to ANYONE associated with Zimmer, et. al.

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Originally posted by Bond1965:

Arnold is NOT off CASINO ROYALE. On his message board at www.davidarnold.com he states that is an error and he recently had done temp music for the various replacement Bond screen tests.

NO to Powell. No to ANYONE associated with Zimmer, et. al.

James

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Okay, thanks for that clarification James. By the way, that's the first time I've been to David's official site and I must admit, it's very nice; great music and even better features. As always, it feels refreshing to hear from the composers themselves:

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they got it wrong again,I am still on as we speak.Just temp socred the screen tests for the actors up for the part which was intriguing.Looking forward to the next phase of Bonds career on screen.

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And Quill, I too think that Gruffold would make a good, good Bond. We're like brothers we think alike!

NP: McCreary's Battlestar Galactica "Season One" (******************/******************)

[Message edited by nuts_score on 10-12-2005]

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Originally posted by nuts_score:

In ways, I'm glad that David is still attached because he will be able to redeem himself from the Die Another Day album release.

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Originally posted by PeterK:
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Holy star ratings, Batman!

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Originally posted by nuts_score:
Actually, Arnold did produce the album.

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Originally posted by GrizzlyMV:
If Brosnan is out, I would have seen Clive Owen in the role.

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Originally posted by BMikeJ:
Wow, is that all you have to say? You only addressed one of my questions. We're talking about a composer who has gone on the record more than once about having more of his music released. In the case of TOMORROW NEVER DIES, we did end up getting a second volume of music. I'm sure it wasn't his decision about how much music would be on the DIE ANOTHER DAY album but rather what music could be put on there with that time frame in mind, that could represent his work on that score. And don't forget the Madonna song on there. The record label may have wanted to keep the costs down so they could make more money off of an album with a Madonna song on it.

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Mike, seriously, why are you fuming over this?! I don't doubt that Arnold might have been pressured by the record label (Warner) to keep the original score content down to make room for the Madonna and Oakenfold (yeesh) songs. Keep in mind also that the disc is an enhanced CD, which also requires a bit of storage space on the 700 MB compact discs. I am very aware of the expanded release of Tomorrow Never Dies being as that I own it. My beef with Arnold's production on the DAD album is that I (no one else at this point) noticed that there were a few untouched cues that would've sounded suberb on the disc, including some with the Bond theme; which is something you could never have enough of.

That is all that I am trying to get across.

And for God's sake Sony, now that you have possession of the Bond franchise, let whoever the composer is write the theme song for Casino Royale; and I believe it's high-mighty time we had a male return to sing the film's theme song. How about giving Bono a chance being that he already contributed to the Goldeneye theme. Sure, I would love it if Rob Dougan could sing it, but that ain't gonna happen. At least we know that Robbie Williams is game.

NP: Tyler's Paparazzi (**1/2 /****)

Hopefully now you know my intentions were not meant to blame Arnold himself, just the lack of any real effort on EON Productions' part to give the score what it deserved. I can do without an "Iced, Inc." to get a good helping of a theme I've heard more times than I've said the word "the"; even if it's just a 30-second cue.

Craig Is Bond, Says His Mother

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Daniel Craig is the new James Bond and David Arnold returns as Bond’s music man

The new James Bond, English actor Daniel Craig, has been officially announced on 14th October 2005. He has previously starred in films like The Mother, Tomb Raider, Road To Perdition and Layer Cake. The 37 year old is the sixth Bond and the first blond Bond.

David Arnold has also confirmed to the James Bond (...)"

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Pierce brosnam was so...perfect for the roll....

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Originally posted by JackChase007:
Far as I see it, none of the actors really were perfect for the role in terms of being "Ian Fleming's James Bond". The only one who really came close was Timothy Dalton. I actually really liked Brosnan myself, and really would have liked to have seen him return for Casino Royale, but I'm happy with the choice of Craig.

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Part of my fondess for Brosnan as Bond is that, well, as is usually the case, that's the Bond I grew up with. But yes, I can certainly understand where even HE tired of the role, with the idiotic quips, etc etc. I'll be perfectly honest, I do really enjoy Die Another Day, but I mean, yeah, it could've been loads better (CGI Bond? WTF?) But there were certainly moments throughout Brosnan's tenure where we get these wonderful, juicy moments where we have a Bond who's dark and vulnerable, moments that would make Fleming proud. In fact, there was something to Brosnan's darker Bond moments that even would really give Dalton a run for his money.

But anyway, back to Craig - I actually find the matter to be extremely similar to when Christopher Nolan cast Christian Bale as Batman. Looking at all these candidates...who the hell COULD they cast? In the case of Bale and Craig in Batman and Bond respectively, they're the only ones who could pull the role off. But when you think about it further, not only are they the least worst of the options given...they're quite idea. We all saw how Bale did in Batman Begins, and I'm very confident that Craig will prove to be a sound choice. His look alone has a lot of viciousness that Roger Moore couldn't have done with all the acting in the world. And even back when the Craig rumors first started, I was taken aback at first (sometimes the guy doesn't photograph well, lol), but ultimately, I found myself very positive on Craig - again, better than the other contenders (Orlando Bloom, Henry Cavill, what is all this nonsense), but I couldn't even think of a reason why he shouldn't play Bond. Hell, I don't care about the blond hair thing, whether he dyes it or not.

The fact of the matter is, my enthusiasm has increased a bit for the next few Bond films, even for Casino Royale (it will still be tough to watch Eon make balls of one of my favorite all-time novels - Texas Hold'em over Bacarrat - I beat the s*** out of Michael G. Wilson in his sleep). But at least I have two reasons to enthusiastically see Casino Royale:
1) Daniel Craig as Bond
2) David Arnold doing the score

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Originally posted by JackChase007:

Part of my fondess for Brosnan as Bond is that, well, as is usually the case, that's the Bond I grew up with. But yes, I can certainly understand where even HE tired of the role, with the idiotic quips, etc etc. I'll be perfectly honest, I do really enjoy Die Another Day, but I mean, yeah, it could've been loads better (CGI Bond? WTF?) But there were certainly moments throughout Brosnan's tenure where we get these wonderful, juicy moments where we have a Bond who's dark and vulnerable, moments that would make Fleming proud. In fact, there was something to Brosnan's darker Bond moments that even would really give Dalton a run for his money.

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That's right on the money. As much as I abhor DAD the fact that Bond is captured by the enemy and tortured; and, as a result of that, is basically thrown away by MI6 because he is virtually a relic of the Cold War is what makes the film have some watch-ability in my eyes. However, as soon as the invisible Aston Martin shows up, I turn it off.

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originally posted by the bastard child of moviemusic.com
Personally i love all david arnold score for James bond.
Die another day have a great new theme.and the Icarus theme is a good addition to Arnold's stuff.

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If you are referring to the motiff at the end of "Antonov", then you are right. The theme is really good and memorable; sadly it doesn't make another apperance within the album. Perhaps it's in the movie more? And, as weird as it was to first hear "choir-Bond", I too, enjoy the Icarus theme immensely.

NP: Goldsmith's The Thirteenth Warrior (****/****)

Ah, nuts_score, it seems that we agree on many, many things - I think that Bond getting captured by the North Koreans and being held for a year and a half while being tortured was a fantastic idea. What I found so funny one time was I was talking to some friends about Die Another Day, and some of them actually disliked the movie for that reason, saying that it was totally irregular for Bond. Ah, it always amuses me when people demonstrate that they know nothing about Bond... I then went on to educate them in the fact that in every novel, Bond suffered some major injury. These days, people don't understand that Bond is supposed to be dark and gritty - that's probably why Dalton was never too widely accepted, the poor guy. But now, we have another shot to get that Bond with Craig, and I'm really looking forward to seeing what he does with the role.

As for the Arnold music, I'm very pleased with how he's done with his three Bond scores. People complain about his use of techno, but it never creates a problem for me. And as you pointed out, Arnold created some really great themes for Die Another Day, and not just the "Moon/Graves/Icarus" theme - there's the "I Will Return" theme, which Arnold and Don Black had intended to turn into a closing credits song a la "Surrender" from Tomorrow Never Dies (and it's a shame that that fell through...maybe for Casino Royale?), and a Jinx theme. Overall, it's a lot more thematic than people will give it credit for. But then again, I'm a huge fan of Arnold over Barry (don't get me wrong, Barry has given us some great stuff). But I think the Bond composers can be seen in a very similar light as the Bond actors - it's all about who you grow up with. And Tomorrow Never Dies was the first James Bond album, let alone score album in general, that I ever got, and since then, I've been hooked.

I'm really excited to hear what Arnold brings us for Casino Royale, especially after hearing his score for Four Brothers.