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    Topic:   Hans Zimmer vs. A Milk Glass

     nuts_score
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    What? Didn't Sean want somebody to start a thread like this?

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    posted 06-22-2006 01:27 PM PT (US)     

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    Awww shucks, if you would have dropped milk and said, "A fine bottle of French Bordeaux," it would have been easy to pick sides.

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    posted 06-22-2006 01:36 PM PT (US)     

     PeterK
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    Umm so what's the question?

    Which curdles fastest?

    Which is good for you?

    Which sounds better when it breaks?

    Which is more acoustic?

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    posted 06-22-2006 01:45 PM PT (US)     

     Mike Skerritt
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    Which is whiter?

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    posted 06-22-2006 01:52 PM PT (US)     

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    To start off, I would argue that Philip Glass is less flexible as a composer than Hans Zimmer is.

    By flexible I mean that Glass generally uses the same orchestration for almost all of his music: piano, strings, and brass peppered in every once-in-a-while. Zimmer, on the other hand, is at ease in a variety of different genres of music; whether it be heavy-metal (The Fan, M:I-2), full-on synth/keyboards (Broken Arrow), and orchestral score (The Thin Red Line), or, as per his usual, a combination of all those and more.

    That's not to say one composer is better than the other, since both of them have mad skills in different areas of composing. Hans Zimmer, of course, is best at writing action music, while Philip Glass takes the upper-hand in his rythmic, dramatic writing ("Eascape From India," from Kundun comes to mind as one of his master compositions).

    [Message edited by sean on 06-23-2006]

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    posted 06-22-2006 02:40 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by nuts_score:
    What? Didn't Sean want somebody to start a thread like this?

    You mean the glass is half-empty or half-full?

    FoobsZ


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    posted 06-22-2006 02:57 PM PT (US)     

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    Zimmer is more versatile (scores comedy for one!), and I like Glass better. I don't know if it's a good comparison, because one clearly does more work in the concert hall, treating film as an occasional thing...

    Can't hurt that the Glass-scored films on my favourite films list include:
    - KUNDUN
    - MISHIMA
    - KOYAANISQATSI
    - NAQOYQATSI
    - FOG OF WAR
    - UNDERTOW
    - THE TRUMAN SHOW
    - THE HOURS

    While the number of Zimmer-scored films on such a list are:
    - THE THIN RED LINE
    - PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN

    While the Malick film is better than any one of the others for me, Glass's stuff does reach me more often via the films.

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    posted 06-22-2006 03:18 PM PT (US)     

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    As long as it's whole milk, I'll take the glass of milk.

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    posted 06-22-2006 07:46 PM PT (US)     

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    I really love Phil's work with Kronos Quartet on the Tod Browning/Universal Dracula and Godfrey Reggio's documentaries wouldn't flow without his minimalist scores (although I think his work in The Thin Blue Line is the top of the drawer for Glass). And, in cases of film score, I am more appreciative of minimalist composers; but for shear entertainment value and repeat plays, I think Zimmer takes the cake for this little Sean-inspired brawl.


    NP> Giacchino's Medal of Honor: Frontline (*****/*****)

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    posted 06-22-2006 10:07 PM PT (US)     

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    Ok, with the exception of a few scores, Hans, like Whore-ner, is a Z-rate composer who somehow gets A-list gigs.

    In the choice between Hans's curdled product and a good glass of milk, I'll take the milk.

    And speaking of Glass. I have nothing but respect for the guy. The basic rhythmic approach may be very similar from work to work and I can see how some can be irritated and reject it, but I've never been one of them. I find very few works, film or concert, by Philip Glass that I haven't liked.

    Every once in a while he's weak, just as every once ia while Hans actually comes through with something.

    Meanwhile, would someone please shoot Sean so we never have to hear from the twerp again.

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    posted 06-23-2006 12:39 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Lou Goldberg:
    Meanwhile, would someone please shoot Sean so we never have to hear from the twerp again.

    WTF! Get a life you geriatric retard! If you have a problem with something I posted than write so, I certainly don't wish death on you. You're insane.


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    posted 06-23-2006 12:52 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by franz_conrad:
    Zimmer is more versatile (scores comedy for one!), and I like Glass better.

    Glass's lack of comedy-scoring might be more of a symptom of the projects he is offered. There was an interview with him in Film Score Monthly where they asked him, with all the various projects he has worked on, is there anything left that he still really wants to do. Glass answered, "Comedy." When they asked him what a Philip Glass comedy score would sound like, his answer was something to the effect of, "I don't know. That's why I'd really like to do it."

    Kirk

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    posted 06-23-2006 03:33 AM PT (US)     

     Lou Goldberg
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    Sean, considering your tastes in bad tv, bad films, and bad film music, I've said all I need to say to you now & forever.

    [Message edited by Lou Goldberg on 06-23-2006]

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    posted 06-23-2006 06:48 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Lou Goldberg:
    Sean, considering your tastes in bad tv, bad films, and bad film music, I've said all I need to say to you now & forever.

    That's not the point, I don't care what you think of my opinions on TV, films, and film music.

    The point is that you don't write on an Internet message board that you want me, or anyone, to be shot; given the absence of humour in what you wrote, there's something wrong with you.


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    posted 06-23-2006 07:20 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by James:
    Glass's lack of comedy-scoring might be more of a symptom of the projects he is offered. There was an interview with him in Film Score Monthly where they asked him, with all the various projects he has worked on, is there anything left that he still really wants to do. Glass answered, "Comedy." When they asked him what a Philip Glass comedy score would sound like, his answer was something to the effect of, "I don't know. That's why I'd really like to do it."

    Kirk


    That has occurred to me actually... it's been interesting to hear more straight thriller music from him with UNDERTOW and TAKING LIVES in recent years... it seems like stuff beneath his pedigree, but I suppose you would get bored providing rhythmic accompaniment without overt emotional comment after a while. Could be a Glass comedy score would be like Nyman's PRACTICAL MAGIC or RAVENOUS...

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    posted 06-23-2006 08:00 AM PT (US)     

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    OK. I don't want to kill you. I'm not saying anyone else should do so either. So do us all a favor and kill yourself. Or atleast shut up & get lost for good and ever. People like you are what I've been fighting against for years. I've spent weeks and days writing at people not to be taken in by the crap-meisters and a guy like you comes along and loves everything they do. No wonder things don't improve. An audience of you outnumbers an audience of me. You can think I'm off, wrong, insane, what have you. What matters is art. You'd defend your house with a gun. You'd defend your country with a gun. Why can't you defend your culture with a gun? It's been done before. It should be again.

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    posted 06-23-2006 06:17 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Lou Goldberg:
    OK. I don't want to kill you. I'm not saying anyone else should do so either. So do us all a favor and kill yourself. Or atleast shut up & get lost for good and ever. People like you are what I've been fighting against for years. I've spent weeks and days writing at people not to be taken in by the crap-meisters and a guy like you comes along and loves everything they do. No wonder things don't improve. An audience of you outnumbers an audience of me. You can think I'm off, wrong, insane, what have you. What matters is art. You'd defend your house with a gun. You'd defend your country with a gun. Why can't you defend your culture with a gun? It's been done before. It should be again.

    Oh, wow... that's a rant if there ever was one.

    It is a comfort to know that you devote so much time ("weeks and days") warning people about "crap-meisters" like myself. We should all be so fortunate.

    Here's why I think you're insane:

    "Meanwhile, would someone please shoot Sean so we never have to hear from the twerp again."

    "So do us all a favor and kill yourself. Or atleast shut up & get lost for good and ever."

    Those statements by you are uncalled for and downright weird.

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    posted 06-23-2006 07:38 PM PT (US)     

     Lou Goldberg
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    You know. Think what you will. I don't care. I hate what you like and I hate you for liking it. And there's just nothing more to say to you except Outta My Way.

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    posted 06-23-2006 09:55 PM PT (US)     

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    Woops, spilled milk. Dammit, call in the kitty.

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    posted 06-23-2006 10:22 PM PT (US)     

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    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by Lou Goldberg:
    You know. Think what you will. I don't care. I hate what you like and I hate you for liking it. And there's just nothing more to say to you except Outta My Way.<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Hate is a strong word: What is it exactly that I like that you hate so much? And why do you hate me for liking that/those thing(s)? You don't even know me. True to form, you're a bully in your posts.

    "Outta My Way" LMAO! What way is that, exactly? No one, least of all me, is stopping you from doing anything on the Internet.

    There's obviously something strange going on behind your posts, that, unless you're a complete liar, you need to sort out, without voicing hatred towards someone you don't even know and know nothing about.

    On a side note: It's confusing to me why Lou Goldberg chose this message thread to write what he's written at me; he isn't making sense.

    [Message edited by sean on 06-23-2006]

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    posted 06-23-2006 10:27 PM PT (US)     

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    Hash it out in email, guys. Perhaps bonking heads in private may spill some wisdom both of you may find logical.

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    posted 06-23-2006 11:08 PM PT (US)     

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    >>Originally posted by Lou Goldberg:
    [B]OK. I don't want to kill you. I'm not saying anyone else should do so either. So do us all a favor and kill yourself. Or atleast shut up & get lost for good and ever. People like you are what I've been fighting against for years. I've spent weeks and days writing at people not to be taken in by the crap-meisters and a guy like you comes along and loves everything they do. No wonder things don't improve. An audience of you outnumbers an audience of me. You can think I'm off, wrong, insane, what have you. What matters is art. You'd defend your house with a gun. You'd defend your country with a gun. Why can't you defend your culture with a gun? It's been done before. It should be again.<<

    I'd just like to thank Lou for writing this. I haven't been here very long but I feel the same way about Sean's posts and I'm sure there are plenty of others here who do too. For me it's not just his taste but his snide tone that makes him unbearable. Down with Sean and Hans Zimmer!

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    posted 06-24-2006 12:37 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by PeterK:
    Woops, spilled milk. Dammit, call in the kitty.

    LOL!

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    posted 06-24-2006 07:39 AM PT (US)     

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    Cower you dogs! [whips crack] I am what I have always been accused of: a hate-filled fascist. I want the world to run a certain way and all who oppose it should be turned to the wall. [machine-gun fire] Whore-ner. Zimmer. In a world where I was calling the shots, there'd be no discussion of their merits whatsoever, they'd be gone, unable to work in films and probably in a labor camp somewhere in line for the gas chambers. Pirate movies with guitar scores? Ha. Never again. You'd get the firing squad just for thinking about it. And dweeby little punks with bad tastes like Sean? Oh my god. We'd just beat you. You shut up and obey or die. [more whips, machine guns, and as always, maniacal laughter] Long live the Reich of the Art Fascists! Hoorah!

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    posted 06-24-2006 11:22 PM PT (US)     

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    I know. I know. But, I figured as long as I was being called weird, insane, and uncalled for, I might as well just follow that path down to see where it wound up.........and, as always, I find there's more twisted fun in expressing your fantasies and acting outrageous than in anything else. Also, finding any new way to dig at Sean is a plus. I love it when his face turns red like that.

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    posted 06-24-2006 11:31 PM PT (US)     

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    Deeper than that, I think Sean is right, I am a bully, though only a cyber-bully. In real life, I'm just a creampuff.

    I love picking on the people who come here with their ridiculous lack of taste & knowledge. I love shooting down every little thing I dislike. I love rilling some people up. Although I don't set out to do it always. Sometimes I act outrageous and sometimes I am outrageous. Just being me without trying hard is enough to piss some people off. With others I have to put forth a little effort.

    In fact, I've stayed around for such a long time because it's fun, really fun, laugh at loud fun, being an ass-hole to some people. But I'm not sure if people, who become so shocked & outraged, will ever understand what a pleasure it is to pick on them.

    These last posts. I was on the floor writing them. Cower you dogs. Cower you dogs. Die Sean Die. I was in stitches.

    I guess I really do have a sick & twisted sense of humor that needs to be fed & expressed. Thanks board! And thank god for the inspiration provided by idiots like Sean who come along and allow me to have such a good time expressing it.

    But of course, I have a side which takes matters of film, music, and culture quite seriously but that comes through in those posts where I discuss those matters in that way.

    I've been accused of saying certain things only for effect and this post will only convince those people they were right, but they're not. But how to explain...the personality is a mystery unto itself.

    And just how these two guys live side by side, the serious researcher and the Crank Yanker, is anybody's guess.................

    I guess by paying half the rent.

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    posted 06-25-2006 12:04 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Those statements by you are uncalled for and downright weird.

    To me, saying "kill yourself" or "someone please kill the guy" isn't as weird as saying Zimmer's themes for POTC 2 are diverse.

    To me, that's alot more disturbing.

    ...

    umm, ALOT more.

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    posted 06-25-2006 08:17 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by gkgyver:
    To me, saying "kill yourself" or "someone please kill the guy" isn't as weird as saying Zimmer's themes for POTC 2 are diverse.

    To me, that's alot more disturbing.

    ...

    umm, ALOT more.


    Who said those themes were diverse?

    Who said they were even good themes?

    POTC is Zimmer's worst effort at scoring an action movie to date; all the themes are recycled hack-jobs of other MV scores: uninspired and uninteresting. It's Zimmer and his sycophants pretending to be James Horner.

    So, you're disturbed about nothing, it seems.


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    posted 06-25-2006 10:39 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Lou Goldberg:
    I know. I know. But, I figured as long as I was being called weird, insane, and uncalled for, I might as well just follow that path down to see where it wound up.........and, as always, I find there's more twisted fun in expressing your fantasies and acting outrageous than in anything else. Also, finding any new way to dig at Sean is a plus. I love it when his face turns red like that.

    Lou, don't pretend I take your "digs" at me in earnest.

    Considering the crap most people have to put up with in real life, your posts are the least of my worries and never make me "red in the face." If such an outlandish situation occurred, than I might take your advice and book an appointment with eternity: If Lou Goldberg actually made me mad; doesn't happen and won't happen.

    Posting at moviemusic.com is a short source of fun for me, as it is for you and I assume everyone else who posts.

    In all seriousness, I have no opinion of you, because everything you type could be a complete fabrication: you write that you're a "cyber-bully," but a batie-boy in person; fair enough, but who really knows or cares.

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    posted 06-25-2006 11:01 AM PT (US)     

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    Well, I care. To paraphrase Dorothy Parker: "The love affair between Lou Goldberg and Lou Goldberg is something marvelous to behold." But it only once again shows what little taste you have that you don't worship me like a god.

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    posted 06-25-2006 02:30 PM PT (US)     

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    Blah blah blah blah . . .

    Does anyone talk about film scores anymore?

    Name change? www.endlessrant.com

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    posted 06-25-2006 08:39 PM PT (US)     

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    True, I've gone way off topic to spend time at self-aggrandissement but let's face it, the original topic, who is better Simmer or Glass, has such an obvious answer that it's hardly worth discussing seriously as a few nonetheless tried to. I suppose I kind of destroyed the thread with its discussions of what a Glass comedy score might be like but there were bigger fish to fry. However, since I fail to get a rise out of Sean, my attempts to destroy him utterly have also failed misreably and I might as well go back to talking about film music.

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    posted 06-25-2006 09:53 PM PT (US)     

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    Well, since this thread wasn't really serious to begin with, we might as well go on.

    And, sean, let me answer you by quoting yourself from the Pirates thread:

    quote:
    Zimmer's music, IMO, is awesome!!! I can't wait for this score. It's refreshing that the orchestra is much more present this time and themes are more refined, and, in some cases, new. "I like very much!!! WOW-WEE; WEE-WA!!!"



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    posted 06-26-2006 11:03 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by gkgyver:
    Well, since this thread wasn't really serious to begin with, we might as well go on.

    And, sean, let me answer you by quoting yourself from the Pirates thread:

    Zimmer's music, IMO, is awesome!!! I can't wait for this score. It's refreshing that the orchestra is much more present this time and themes are more refined, and, in some cases, new. "I like very much!!! WOW-WEE; WEE-WA!!!"


    O.K., fine. So I'm glad he's using an actual orchestra *the second time around, mind you*. Good. And the themes are a little better. Good. And there's some new themes. Good. And then I quote Borat!!! HAHA!

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