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Topic: LOTR Package Update?
Shire Bagginz
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9 Days to go!...a very significant number indeed.
posted 10-29-2006 01:14 AM PT (US) Green Knight
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Nothing to say...but...DOUG THANX!!!
posted 10-29-2006 05:01 AM PT (US) gkgyver
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It's kind of embarassing, but I can't think of any questions. None that Doug didn't answer already anyway.
posted 10-29-2006 05:45 AM PT (US) THX 1138 4eb
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>>>>>I highly recommend you all head here.-Doug
PS – My message board time is going to be limited for the next few days, so if you feel the need to spread the Nine Questions invitation to others, please, by all means, feel free to do so.>>>>>>
Hello DOUG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for a fantastic podcast....
I do have a question in the making, but I will e-mail it to you.......soon....Thanks again for making us all excited, and for uplifting our spirits
My excitment was running dry.....until I heard your podcast.....THANKS AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!
posted 10-29-2006 05:49 AM PT (US) mathew
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Yeah, nice teaser, Doug. Thank you!!23 days to go
posted 10-29-2006 08:02 AM PT (US) Doug Adams
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Hi everyone,Glad you’re enjoying the mini Podcast. More on that later.
>>>I've also been informed numerous times that I was wrong about something. Sometimes I am... clearly. But other times, I think, "well... I think I'm just approaching it differently." or, "Okay, this is how Shore thought of it, but I think this other approach, even though he may not ever have intended it, is also very interesting.">>>
Thanks, Magpie. Though it’s purely a personal call, I’ve always felt that the best works of art allow for an ambiguity of some kind, be it conception, execution, interpretation, whatever. Too often people try to shrink away from these ambiguities, because we’ve had it so hammered into our heads that really what this means is that you’ve got one correct party, and a whole bunch of misguided souls. But humanity is ambiguous, and vice versa, and I think it allows a work of art to live.
>>>Thanks again, for all you contribute. I'm prompted to ask, are you a Tolkien-book fan? If so, were you before the movies or after? And I know that Howard has addressed this some. I know he delved into the books during the movie and I believe became quite absorbed in them. Was this an attachment that served him well during the movies or did it grow into more than that? The answer to those question are personal and can be ignored... and no answer will lessen my opinion of either of you. It's just a shiny Magpie bit of information that fascinates me.>>>
I am a fan of Tolkien’s writing, though admittedly more so now than before this project. My training is as a musician, so I tend to not really get truly absorbed in something until it has a musical attachment… Picasso and Stravinsky, Mallarmé and Debussy, Tolkien and Shore.
Not to speak for Howard, but I think his love for Tolkien’s works extends past his work on these scores. He was very excited after a recent trip to Oxford where he visited rooms Tolkien lectured in.
>>>Thanks for the reminder that (as Gandalf says to Saruman): “…he that breaks a thing to find out what it is has left the path of wisdom.” Book II, Chapter 2, “The Council of Elrond”, p. 259>>>
Though I’ve cut it short for space, I hope everyone takes the time to read (or re-read) Timdalf’s post; it brings up some wonderful points.
>>>Doug, since you read this board I have to thank you from the bottom of my heart for your work on this project. In college I never appreciated music more than in classes... it was so enlightening to take, say, a Beethoven class, and have the teacher explain the music, point out the thematic developments and relationships, the common threads, and the growth of styles as we listened. And to have a source like the Annotated Score and soundtrack booklet is like taking the class from a teacher who sat by Beethoven's side! We are truly lucky to have someone so devoted to this project recognize our hunger for depth and for enlightenment.>>>
Thanks so very much!
As for the colors of the Complete Recording packages, as is pointed out below, they’ve been selected to match the leather-bound editions of the respective original soundtrack albums.
As I understand it, yes, the CD packages were selected before the films were color coded. Red was already used for Fellowship when Two Towers became the “red film.” Blue was already used for Two Towers when ROTK became the “blue film,” so they just rotated back to the beginning green and so the CDs were set one project out of rotation with the film marketing.
It wasn’t a slip or anything, it just all stems from the different lead time available to different projects.
>>>WOWEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!! That was exciting! Thank you so much for that Doug. Finally, the Gondor Bros. flashback composition, and the Fellowship theme intertwined with the Isengaurd theme composition! Just....genious. What was that last 30 seconds from. Its ridiculously cool!>>>
Those last 30 seconds… Why, that would make a pretty good question for someone to email into the Podcast, don’t you think? I will tell you, however, no one’s guessed it yet. This is not the music for Treebeard’s appearance, nor is a reference to the Balrog.
So what other Two Towers events might some wild, panicky French horn playing be applied to?
Incidentally, there is yet another clip of unused music hiding in this mini Podcast, for those of you who can spot it.
Anyway, I’m thrilled you guys are enjoying the little preview. Keep those questions coming. – we’ve got some good ones so far. And remember, it’s ok to ask basic questions, no doubt many of the listeners aren’t familiar with this thread, so they’re probably starting at step one.
We’ll do our best to get the full TTT Podcast up as soon as possible, I promise!
Back to work for me,
-Doug
posted 10-29-2006 08:18 AM PT (US) Jim Ware
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Those last 30 seconds… Why, that would make a pretty good question for someone to email into the Podcast, don’t you think? I will tell you, however, no one’s guessed it yet. This is not the music for Treebeard’s appearance, nor is a reference to the Balrog.Osgiliath?
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Incidentally, there is yet another clip of unused music hiding in this mini Podcast, for those of you who can spot it.Ths little bit of slightly goofy woodwind music before the excerpt of Sons of the Steward?
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posted 10-29-2006 08:33 AM PT (US) Ge0rge
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Only some events from the Helm's Deep assault comes into my mind while listening to this...
Originally posted by Doug Adams: Those last 30 seconds… Why, that would make a pretty good question for someone to email into the Podcast, don’t you think? I will tell you, however, no one’s guessed it yet. This is not the music for Treebeard’s appearance, nor is a reference to the Balrog.
posted 10-29-2006 08:58 AM PT (US) Beren
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The music played while you tell us your e-mail.That's unused.Sounds fangornish.And the last 30 seconds...hmm...could be smth related to Isengard;perhaps during the attack of the ents?However,i know one thing for sure:I'll always remember the infamous 30 seconds.
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posted 10-29-2006 09:25 AM PT (US) gkgyver
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Well, a few options come to mind. There's a fight scene between Frodo and Sam in Osgiliath that wasn't used in the film, maybe it belongs there. Or the Warg attack.Maybe the playful Gollum music was originally intended for the rabbit scene in Ithilien?
posted 10-29-2006 09:33 AM PT (US) Earl Ignatius Carvalho
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I'm not too sure when I say this, but those last 30 seconds do bring to mind the Dead Marshes - it sounds like a grander version what's heard in the film when Frodo "follows the lights" and falls in. But I'm just suggesting.For Cavalier:
Hey, don't stress yourself too much, you'll be fine before November 7th Take it easy and you'll definitely be doing great by then.And may I tell you that your posts are always and somehow highly enthusiastic, maybe because of this ( ) smiley that you use...but it's been amazing (if not amusing) watching your very diligent countdown these past weeks (or was it months?) Take care.
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posted 10-29-2006 09:38 AM PT (US) Green Knight
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Just a question
Doug’s email address is?
I cant hear it very well in the podcast so if anyone can help me…
Thanks in advance
posted 10-29-2006 10:30 AM PT (US) gkgyver
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dadams1127@aol.com
posted 10-29-2006 11:23 AM PT (US) Magpie
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Click on his user name. I'm assuming the one posted in his profile here is the same one he mentions in his podcast.
Originally posted by Green Knight:
Just a question
Doug’s email address is?
I cant hear it very well in the podcast so if anyone can help me…
Thanks in advance[Message edited by Magpie on 10-29-2006]
posted 10-29-2006 11:25 AM PT (US) mathew
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Originally posted by Doug Adams:
Those last 30 seconds… Why, that would make a pretty good question for someone to email into the Podcast, don’t you think? I will tell you, however, no one’s guessed it yet. This is not the music for Treebeard’s appearance, nor is a reference to the Balrog.So what other Two Towers events might some wild, panicky French horn playing be applied to?
Perhaps this is from the first appearance of a Nazgûl in the dead marshes. But it's just a wild guess.
posted 10-29-2006 01:10 PM PT (US) gkgyver
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Soundtrack.net has a lengthy review of the set, check it out!
posted 10-29-2006 03:30 PM PT (US) Matthijs
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Need... the soundtrack... nowAmazing review. I'm even more eager to have it now..
posted 10-29-2006 03:53 PM PT (US) vdemona
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>>And may I tell you that your posts are always and somehow highly enthusiastic, maybe because of this ( ) smiley that you use...but it's been amazing (if not amusing) watching your very diligent countdown these past weeks (or was it months?)<<I must concur!
posted 10-29-2006 07:02 PM PT (US) Beren
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I don't know what's so amazing about that review.The fact that half of the information was also featured in the FOTR:CR review?Anyway,i'm looking fwd to hearing the podcast.
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posted 10-29-2006 10:13 PM PT (US) gkgyver
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Well, for one, I find it amazing that the set is rated 4 out of 5 stars. Where does that come from?
posted 10-30-2006 02:40 AM PT (US) Beren
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How could you even rate an unreleased product?Or a review of an unreleased product.[Message edited by Beren on 10-30-2006]
posted 10-30-2006 05:33 AM PT (US) BigT1981
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Because Soundtrack.net has gotten a copy of the complete recordings before the initial release date. That's how they are able to rate it and give it a review. They did the same thing with Fellowship Of The Ring.Edit: Infact Soundtrack.net gets all original score soundtracks early before their release dates and gives initial reviews for them. They're legit.
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posted 10-30-2006 08:30 AM PT (US) Green Knight
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>>>Magpie - gkgyver<<<
Thanks guys you’ve been very helpfulI haven’t see the soundtrack.net review yet, but that’s were I am headed right now…
posted 10-30-2006 10:07 AM PT (US) Green Knight
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OK just go and check the new video with Howard Shore in France. He says there, that last year was released FOTR CR with 3 cds this year TTT CR with 3 cds and ROTK is 4 cds! Four!!!
Also it got some good analysis that I have known partially. He says about the evolution in sounds and orchestration (with the classic example of the Pan flute that evolves in ROTK) but that was already known from the Symphony DVD and the ROTK EE making of. The New was that this evolution was also in the Chorus and Soprano. In the FOTR is more folk and soft but in ROTK is more operatic so that you can see that the characters have mature in to great heroes! Awesome!The video can be found on this page in the topic:
New Howard Shore video and articleposted 10-30-2006 12:31 PM PT (US) Matthijs
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Originally posted by Green Knight:
The video can be found on this page in the topic:
New Howard Shore video and articleWhere exactly?
posted 10-30-2006 03:01 PM PT (US) Magpie
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It's on TORN's home page: http://www.theonering.net/index.shtml
which will refer you to this page for more info: http://www.hans-zimmer.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=4425
And the video is available for download on this page: http://rapidshare.com/files/1259531/shore.wmv.html
(choose free download)[Message edited by Magpie on 10-30-2006]
posted 10-30-2006 03:42 PM PT (US) EldarionSonOfElessar
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Sweet video!And ROTK:CR having 4 CDs is great...
posted 10-30-2006 04:52 PM PT (US) Olorin the White
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I'm new here, but I've been following your guys' chat for a while now and thought it would be nice to join in when I heard the podcast (love what I heard by the way). But regarding some of the music, after the little "Sons of Gondor" excerpt, the battle piece with the crazy horns. I would like to venture a guess and add my two cents in, without watching the EE, that it could be music from the Ithilien Ranger attack on the Haradrim convoy. But what really strikes me funny is the oboe(?)/basson(?) wind piece right before the Gondorian theme. Possibly music from something involving Merry, Pippin, and Treebeard (maybe the Ent draught scene??)? May have to watch the DVD to figure that one out.[Message edited by Olorin the White on 10-30-2006]
posted 10-30-2006 08:00 PM PT (US) MWRuger
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I am sure this question has been asked somwhere in these hundreds of responses but I can't wade through all that. Maybe it hasn't.My problem is that I just know actually to listen to the LOTR-FOTR CR and the 2nd and 3rd tracks on the first disc have some kind of weird audio distortion on them that sounds like thumps or drumming in the background. My question is did anybody else have this and if so is there anyway to get a replacement.
Before anybody gives me grief about not listening to it before now, let me just say I got it about 6 months ago and I am drowning in score releases. I haven't made it all the way through EB Film Music Collection and a dozen others are still waiting for me to listen to.
posted 10-30-2006 10:14 PM PT (US) MWRuger
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Forgot to add how much I enjoyed the complete recordings. Great music and I am looking forward to Two Towers someday.
posted 10-30-2006 10:15 PM PT (US) TheTennisBallKid
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Not to be a smart aleck, but are you sure it isn't just part of the music? The CR has some interesting folk percussion that's much more noticeable now than in either the OST or the film...and it's mostly in those two tracks.[Message edited by TheTennisBallKid on 10-30-2006]
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posted 10-30-2006 10:32 PM PT (US) MWRuger
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It could be.It just really stood out to me and didn't quite sound right. In "The Shire" it starts at roughly 1:23 seconds and runs the rest of the track. I also only hear it on the left channel, not the right.
In "Bag End" it starts at 1:10 til about 1:40. It is more prominent on the left than the right. It starts back up again at 2:59 and runs to the end.
Maybe I'm crazy and it is part of the Rural theme and what I am hearing is the Bodhran. It could be.
posted 10-30-2006 10:56 PM PT (US) Earl Ignatius Carvalho
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Yeah, that's part of the music all right. It stood out to me the first time I heard it as well. But if you listen carefully, you'll notice that it also plays in the OST, albeit very faint and barely to be heard.So don't worry about any flaws, you've got a great piece
posted 10-31-2006 12:28 AM PT (US) peschi
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Just received notice that my Two Towers CR is shipped! With a little luck I´ll have it at the end of the week.posted 10-31-2006 04:50 AM PT (US) Matthijs
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Originally posted by peschi:
Just received notice that my Two Towers CR is shipped! With a little luck I´ll have it at the end of the week.Is it possible then that the soundtrack is delivered before it is officially released?
posted 10-31-2006 05:49 AM PT (US) peschi
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Originally posted by Matthijs:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by peschi:
[b]Just received notice that my Two Towers CR is shipped! With a little luck I´ll have it at the end of the week.<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>
Is it possible then that the soundtrack is delivered before it is officially released?[/B]
Well, here in The Netherlands it´s released the 20th, so I will get it certainly before that date. Can´t wait!
posted 10-31-2006 05:58 AM PT (US) AustinHusker
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Originally posted by Matthijs:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by peschi:
[b]Just received notice that my Two Towers CR is shipped! With a little luck I´ll have it at the end of the week.<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>
Is it possible then that the soundtrack is delivered before it is officially released?[/B]
I pre-ordered from B&N last year and they received the set on the Saturday before the release. They goobers there didn't bother to leave me a voice mail, however, so by the time I checked my call logs it was already Monday! Doh! I still got it a day early at least!-Chad
posted 10-31-2006 06:10 AM PT (US) Matthijs
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Originally posted by peschi:
Just received notice that my Two Towers CR is shipped! With a little luck I´ll have it at the end of the week.Would you mind telling me where exactly you ordered it from (because Belgium is very very close to the Netherlands )
posted 10-31-2006 06:12 AM PT (US) Cavalier_of_Palahndtüs
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7 DAYS TO GO!!!!!!!...1 WEEK TO GO!...
Thank you, Earl and vdemona, for your comments! Much appreciated. Doug and Timdalf, I'd like to tell you what I'm thinking right now, but I don't have the time. Soon, perhaps. But, I really like what you had to say and I'm glad I typed up my message (even though I feel sort of "embarrassed"). I think your words have helped others (besides myself) to view this magnificent work in a "better" light.
Well, I'm excited, and I'm doing better, but now I'm busy...grhh. So, I'll talk soon. Buncha tests/essays to be done. *cries*
Oh, thanks, Shire Bagginz, for your "9 days to go!".
posted 10-31-2006 06:44 AM PT (US) MWRuger
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Thanks Guys! I appreciate the help.
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