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Originally posted by NeoVoyager:
Well, now I see that Shire Bagginz (as well as Cavalier of Pala-whatever) are both in the 'younger' group of film music fans... my perception of the people on this board is changing! I didn't think there were very many of you on this board in the younger demographic (such as myself, 17), but I might perhaps be wrong?

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I am 20. I also wonder what the average age of posters are here. Not to get too nosey, but would anyone else mind revealing thier age, so that NeoVoyager and myself may get an idea of the age demographic of fans, whom love these scores and movies so much?

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Originally posted by gkgyver:
Could it be that the White Rider theme (as heard at the end of Forth Eorlingas) is a juxtaposition or an inversion of some sort of the Isengard theme? I do realise that the Fellowship theme already forms a contrast to it, but there might also be some connection there.
Doug?

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Wow! Nice call. I never noticed, but both themes start out with the exact same three note rythm and melody. That same minor second interval(I believe). Yet of course, they are completely different as well, feeling-wise, which is quite an amazing feat!

And I now understand how it must feel for you to be mentored these past few years by Howard Shore.

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Originally posted by Earl Ignatius Carvalho:
Hey Doug, I've been meaning to say this in a long time but just didn;t get the time. I really was pleasantly surprised to find out that you composed some sort of "opening score" for some podcast? I haven't heard it, but from what I hear, it's pretty great. Where can I hear this?

And I now understand how it must feel for you to be mentored these past few years by Howard Shore.

I do hope I get to hear this and do write more great stuff

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Believe me, I have the greatest respect for everyone involved in this project and wouldn't do anything to harm them. But downloading a product that you've paid for, there's absolutely no harm in that.
And I wouldn't make the files I have accessible to anyone who has no intention of buying the set.

I don't advertise and encourage illegal downloading here, I'm just saying that I've heard it already and it's brilliant. Nothing more, nothing less.

Just a question: if downloading something that you've already bought (if not yet taken delivery of) is illegal, immoral and fattening, what do you call it when, for example, you use a hacker's tool to rip the DVD-Audio from Disk 4 so you can encode it to DTS and play it on your non-DVD Audio player? Evading encrypted content protection is probably illegal, but all it does in this case is make a copy for personal use in a different format in order to listen to the content that's already owned. A little grayer, huh? And it's another example of studio paranoia making criminals out of otherwise law-abiding people interested in the fair use of their own property.

Believe me, I understand that both are technically illegal activities, and it's abused by some to get content they haven't paid for. But shouldn't we distinguish between ripping personally owned content for personal use and outright theft? Same process, completely different contexts.

But that was really my last word on this subject

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Frankly, after the last two pages, I wouldn't be surprised if Doug stopped posting here altogether.

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A little paranoid, are we?

That's why I'd like to invite all of you fine people over here (http://www.kilohertz.nl/lotr-sap/index.php) to collectively compile a master list of the many different themes in Score's music. I have also added the possibility to annotate the themes (in true Wiki-fashion, so anyone can edit them). One thing I don't allow is the adding of new themes. I'd like to keep the list 'official', so if you want to add a new theme to the list, just e-mail me. Of course, when the liner notes for The Two Towers are out, I will add those themes to the database ASAP.

OK, enough talking. Check the site and see if you like it. All comments are welcome!

Shire Bagginz, The White Rider theme has the "V motive" or "there and back again figure" 3 times. The first is a major second, the second is a minor second, and the third is a major second. So the second V motive is like Isengard.

Well, honestly, I'm very excited! My first time hearing it will be with the boxed set, not downloads. If I listened to the downloads, I wouldn't be at all excited about the boxed set! There would be no surprise! (except the liner notes) Oh, what a HORRIBLE thought! I ruined Star Wars: Episode III's theatre experience because I read the script before seeing the movie. I've learned my lesson. Save those wonderful surprises...don't give in! It's just a few more days! (Unless you're getting a long time from now, and in that case...well, hmmmmm.) But, do what ya will, of course.

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Originally posted by Kevin:
I'm upset.

All you kids on here!!

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I'm 45.

I am considered an Elder in many online groups I associate with - not to be confused with Eldar.

I am older than Frodo when he left the Shire to destroy the Ring.

I too think we should get away from the subject of the 'illegal' copies of the score online, and maybe PeterK might entertain the idea of editing or deleting the past messages that revealed precisely where to get the bootlegged copy. That would probably go a long way toward eliminating any messy situation which Doug may or may not have to deal with later. As I've said before, I don't think there is anything ethically wrong with downloading it if one is going to buy it in a matter of 2 days anyway, but to discourage any possible freeloading, it may be a good idea. Based on the amount of hits my Photoshop mock-up of the two sets side by side got in just one day, this thread gets a LOT of traffic. Peter?

BigT1981: I see we could have guessed you were 25 by your screen name, couldn't we have? Anyway, Shire Bagginz's request about the age demographics is completely unrelated to the 'illegal' downloading discussion.

Shire Bagginz, I did post my age earlier, but some may have missed it in that little parenthesis, so... I'm 17.

Earl: here is a link to the podcast on the iTS (iTunes Store): http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=92147842

Have to eat breakfast... talk to y'all later.

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Originally posted by ArchCarrier:
Since it's only TWO DAYS TO GO!!! (always wanted to say that!), I spent my spare time this weekend building a little website called, ahem, [b]The Lord of the Rings Score Analysis Project.
That's why I'd like to invite all of you fine people over here (http://www.kilohertz.nl/lotr-sap/index.php) to collectively compile a master list of the many different themes in Score's music. I have also added the possibility to annotate the themes (in true Wiki-fashion, so anyone can edit them). One thing I don't allow is the adding of new themes. I'd like to keep the list 'official', so if you want to add a new theme to the list, just e-mail me. Of course, when the liner notes for The Two Towers are out, I will add those themes to the database ASAP.[/B]

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And it just occurred to me that - if some wonder if anyone else is the same age as them - I wonder if I'm the only 'her' on this thread.

http://media20a.libsyn.com/podcasts/fsmpodcast/FSM_Podcast_001.mp3

OK, looks like that's it for my replies for now.

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Magpie:
And it just occurred to me that - if some wonder if anyone else is the same age as them - I wonder if I'm the only 'her' on this thread.

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A very good question indeed! I am a 'he'.

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Originally posted by ArchCarrier:
That's why I'd like to invite all of you fine people over here (http://www.kilohertz.nl/lotr-sap/index.php) to collectively compile a master list of the many different themes in Score's music.

Best regards,
Melson Zwerver

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What a wonderful idea! I made some contributions as soon as I saw your link. It'll take a while to get everything filled in, but once it's done, it will be great to be able to see which songs include which themes, and where.

Okay. So I've been silently watching the posts since there were only 17 pages to this forum, but now I really must interrupt.

Please please please people, stop all this talk about downloading, legalities & illegalities. Really. Please. And about Doug. We really have no right whatsoever to speak either this way or that about what his feeling might be. This is a forum to discuss the LOTR soundtracks, and as we've been doing these past years, let's together keep this place beautiful.

Somehow, the past 2 pages seem to be a blemish on all our characters, friendships and little forum-ties that we've built up since there was the old and lengthy LOTR Package Update? chain.

Looking at page 17 - 19 in contrast to all the innocent and enthusiastic exuberance of "common fans" of the many pages before, it really feels like looking at the Isengard of TTT in contrast to the Isengard we see when Gandalf first rides to Isengard.

That "innocence" is lost. The "feel" is spoilt.

I sincerely request all of you to please, please give this forum and it's members the respect they deserve - the respect we deserve.

If it was up to me, I would've deleted those two pages and wish we could forget the conversation ever happened.

The beauty of this forum lies in it's content. And it's people. Let's not take this space for granted and spoil this beautiful "meeting place" of all us fans of the Music of The Lord Of The Rings Films.

I know I may come across as the ****** of the forum (take or remove a few stars depending on what comes to your mind), but I'll take that risk.

And to get the good part of the conversation back on track, I'm a 23 year old Earl from India. Hmmm...it's is amazing how the music of these films appeals to people who've obviously grown up with very different musical cultures and decades.

Pssst, don't worry Magpie. If you're the only "her" on this forum, it makes you all the more special I'll be busy with exams this week, so expect to hear from me later.

I'll be 32 on the 17th by the way

@Ge0rge: Thanks for the tip! I have added this functionality to the site: one can now tick a theme's checkbox if it contains unused material.

Melson (male, age 29)

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Originally posted by AustinHusker:
Here are some new images on Barnes & Noble's website...

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This is torture. 15 days to go... Arg, I hate the European release date.

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Originally posted by mathew:

This is torture. 15 days to go... Arg, I hate the European release date.

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Have you seen this site?

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Originally posted by Blue Dude:
Just a question: if downloading something that you've already bought (if not yet taken delivery of) is illegal, immoral and fattening, what do you call it when, for example, you use a hacker's tool to rip the DVD-Audio from Disk 4 so you can encode it to DTS and play it on your non-DVD Audio player?

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I believe the US laws call that "terrorist".

------At least this shows that this music is thought of by both genders------

>>>Olorin - quote:

Originally posted by Kevin:
I'm upset.
All you kids on here!!

I'm 45.
Feel better now?>>>

------Well, at least age is no barrier, and it also shows that people who are older than us younger generation still care about similar things, and are willing to communicate about the same subject------

------By the way, I previously posted in a message some info about my age, and when my birthday was (when I received FOTR:CR), and for those who like to find things out, this very specific post of mine is is four numbers higher than my age------

DOOOOOOUG............WHERE ARE YOUUUUUUUUUU?............

DOUG: Where am I?
THX 1138 4eb: In the Message Board.
DOUG: What do you want?
THX 1138 4eb: We want information.
DOUG: Whose side are you on?
THX 1138 4eb: That would be telling. We want information...information...information...
DOUG: You won't get it.
THX 1138 4eb: By hook or by crook, we will.
DOUG: Who are you?
THX 1138 4eb: The new THX 1138 4eb
DOUG: Who is on the Message Board?
THX 1138 4eb: You are Mr Doug Adams!!!!!, Along with many other fans!!!
DOUG: I am not just TEXT, I am 'more' than that, I am a wealth of untold information, who is working for a man named Howard Shore!!! Ha Ha HA HA HAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!

Relieve us of our pain.......where is the podcast, and the annotated score material... sorry guys, for this outage, but I have to wait extra long, as I live a long.....long way away, down in South Australia, in a place that does not receive products (as this) in store, and has to order from America.....

NEVER GIVE UP.....I KNOW.....I WILL EVENTUALLY GET THERE.......LONG WAYS TO GO YET!!!!!!!!

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Have you seen this site?

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*quiet timpani roll* It's almost here! The moment we've been waiting for!

NeoVoyager: The White Rider theme occurs at least 3 times in TTT. I think it occurs a couple other times, but they're harder to recognize. I don't have my OST on me right now (my Music Appreciation teacher is borrowing it), but I'll give you an estimate as to when they occur.

Track 3: After the "first part" when Eomer meets Aragorn, before the Rohan Fanfare at Edoras. Listen to the sweeping, high strings. 1:21 - 1:33 (found it on wmp library)
Track 9: The sweeping, high strings at the end of the track. (not on my wmp)
Track 16: The sweeping, high strings at the end of the track. 2:44 - 3:03 (on wmp)

I think it occurs briefly when Gandalf is "freeing" Theoden from Saruman. Also, it might occur briefly when Aragorn remembers Gandalf's words before riding out of Helm's Deep...not sure. (This would be the first minute of track 16. Listen to french horn part.) There may be some never-before-heard renditions that we'll get to hear!
It occurs in RotK a few times.
Track 2: 0:50 - 1:06 high strings
Track 12: 2:56 - 3:03 brass/strings(?)
Also, in the film: when Gandalf is riding out to Faramir as the Nazgul are attacking them...it's in the high strings I believe and it occurs before Maestro's solo.
And, there could be other places in the film, and some never-before-heard renditions that we'll get to hear in about a year! Yahoo!

Well, there ya go. Soon we shall have it! The precious will be ours, yes! But, just remember that our lives don't revolve around these masterworks. They're to enrich our lives, not control them. (I have to remind myself of this, also.)