"It wasn't practical to play 11 hours of music, but it was practical to play two hours in a concert hall with an intermission."

Oh, Howard, Howard, Howard, have you so little faith in the/your fans!!! Just like PJ for thinking we would not be able to deal with a Scouring sequence!!! Don't they realize we go to all-day film marathons... read the book annually... have audio versions of it... buy 3 hour sets of the score... and then listen to them interminably... ache to see the EE's in a big theater with full sound on a giant screen....

I guess it has yet to sink in: we are totally, stark-raving NUTS! We are (like Quint in "Jaws") CERTIFIABLE!!

I would sit for an 11 hour concert (with intermissions, of course!)... Maybe, not to outdo old Richard Wagner, over 3 days, but only as a concession to the musicians who would probably be collapsing like flies by the end and being taken out on stretchers!!

Let's hear it for full live concert versions of the COMPLETE SCORE music!!!!

Timdalf

Phooey... a mere 11 hours!! Piece o' cake!

I sit easily for "Goetterdaemmerung" (which has a 2 hr first act) or "Parsifal" (a 1&1/2 hr first act) or "Rheingold" which is 2&1/2 hrs... all these without intermissions... and G and P have two more acts to go each well over 1&1/4 hr. So a standard Wagner opera with intermissions takes about 5-6 hours... well then, we are half way to a LotR Complete Score Concert!!!

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I sit easily for "Goetterdaemmerung" (which has a 2 hr first act) or "Parsifal" (a 1&1/2 hr first act) or "Rheingold" which is 2&1/2 hrs... all these without intermissions... and G and P have two more acts to go each well over 1&1/4 hr.

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SK: Is there anything else you’d love to do with THE LORD OF THE RINGS music that hasn’t already been done?

HS: Possibly a live projection project where we’d play the score live to the film.

SK: Wow! Is that currently in the works?

HS: It’s an idea. I’m thinking about it. It’s been done with other films. I did it on NAKED LUNCH (1991) with Ornette Coleman. We played it in Belfast, Ireland, and at the Barbican in London. In Belfast it was just the Ulster Orchestra and in London it was the BBC concert orchestra and Ornette’s trio. We did it live to a projection of NAKED LUNCH with separate tracks for dialogue and effects. It’s an interesting concert-sort-of-film-going experience. It’s like an enhanced movie experience.

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SK: Is there anything else you’d love to do with THE LORD OF THE RINGS music that hasn’t already been done?

HS: Possibly a live projection project where we’d play the score live to the film.

SK: Wow! Is that currently in the works?

HS: It’s an idea. I’m thinking about it.

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This would be freaking awsome!!!!!!!!! They could even release it on DVD like they did for E.T. THIS MUST HAPPEN!!!

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I also am eager to hear the subtle music for the small scene where Frodo has his voiceover at the end ("There are some things that time cannot mend, some hurts that go too deep....")Yes, is it subtle, but very emotional and effective to fit a very moving scene.

What music are you guys most looking forward to hearing from The Return of the King?

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I totally agree! As odd as it may sound, when I watched the film (I've only seen it in its entirety once so far... hard to find the time to get through the trilogy), that specific piece stood out to me more than anything else in the score as something I'll really look forward to hearing on the CR. Of course the Rohirrim charge music and such, but that goes without saying, methinks.

How do I know? Because you can hear the piece WITH whistle at the end of the documentary on the ROTK limited edition DVD.

And yes, it's a fantastic rendition. Isn't it amazing that the theme sounds still fresh and vibrant, even at the very end of a 10 hours movie? So much so that some don't even recognise it at first glance?

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How do I know? Because you can hear the piece WITH whistle at the end of the documentary on the ROTK limited edition DVD.

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Which documentary is it?

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Originally posted by gkgyver:
I should have been more specific. The limited ROTK soundtrack release comes with a DVD that features a 25 minutes documentary, an extra- long trailer, Use Well The Days and choir texts with translation.

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Oh, I never purchased the limited soundtrack release for the Return of the King. Interesting, though...

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Originally posted by Magpie:
I don't do 'favorites' but I'm looking forward to the Charge of the Rohirrim and the sung Fellowship Theme.

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SCOREGASM ALERT!!!!

Ahem...sorry, got a bit carried away...

Oh hell...SCOREGASM ALERT!!!!

Now if only those punks at CD Universe could get off their Connecticutish asses and get T2T Complete shipped already. AAAHHH!

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And if you do this at Bayreuth (Wagner's own private theater), you do this in full tux, with NO a/c, in humid AUGUST, locked in a totally sealed auditorium on cane backed seats with 2500 other madmen (and women)! Well, if Englishmen and mad dogs go out in the midday sun, then Germanic myth maniacs sit inside dark Bayreuth for day after day!!! ;-) [/B]

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That's another reason why we lost the war!

I need some Fawlty Towers...

CK

>>>Ah yes... but would you also *stand* for them? I once (on different occasions) had standing tickets for "Siegfried", "Götterdämmerung" and "Parsifal"... I'm not sure I'd want to repeat that too often.<<<

Well, of course, I stood!! And not only stood for the perfs, but stood in the standee line for hours to get the tickets (as I am sure you did, too)!

And for a great staging with great performers I would do it again... Nowadays, of course, we have the choice of standing or paying hundreds for a decent seat!! (And Bayreuth ain't cheap neither! And then to be there there are the plane tickets and the hotel prices...)

Anyway, Wagner is sorta off topic, I know... The point is: The zeal of JRRT and Shore fans is no less!!! Right? So bring on that 11 hours of live, concert LotR Score... we'll line up!! The real problem would be the musicians and choristers, no?...

That's another reason why we lost the war!

No, CK, we (I am of German descent) lost the war because we did NOT sit there and listen to RW! He is all about empathy and compassion. You'd think with something called "Twilight of the Gods", somebody might have guessed something was being warned AGAINST!? But the Party hacks preferred Lehar and J Strauss, which for all their great tunes and waltzy schmaltz are not really edifying, it's safe to say. Of course, Uncle Adolf and Auntie Winifred were indeed quite mad, and had something to do with losing the war: mainly in starting it in the first place!!!

Timdalf

>>>SK: Is there anything else you’d love to do with THE LORD OF THE RINGS music that hasn’t already been done?

HS: Possibly a live projection project where we’d play the score live to the film.

SK: Wow! Is that currently in the works?

HS: It’s an idea. I’m thinking about it. It’s been done with other films. I did it on NAKED LUNCH (1991) with Ornette Coleman. We played it in Belfast, Ireland, and at the Barbican in London. In Belfast it was just the Ulster Orchestra and in London it was the BBC concert orchestra and Ornette’s trio. We did it live to a projection of NAKED LUNCH with separate tracks for dialogue and effects. It’s an interesting concert-sort-of-film-going experience. It’s like an enhanced movie experience.

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And the SK interview goes on to ask would this be done over 3 days a la RW's Ring!!!

Of course, this very multi-media approach has been done with Prokofiev's Nevsky score... Film with live orchestra. It works there mainly because, as I remember, the film has long purely visual stretches with orchestral accompaniment. The dialogue bits are largely unscored. So with LotR such a live orchestra would have to play very sotto voce, pianissimo, for long stretches, as the actual film with score does it.

This, perhaps, is one reason why the CR's are so powerful, with them the score is in the foreground without visual or dialogue "distractions". In The Film the effect of the score is often subliminal.

But what an experience it would be! Indeed, we wants it, preshhuss..

One question that would pop up: which version of the score would be used? The CR with all its "Unused Concepts" or the actual edited film score... I know which one we all would like to hear!!!

It's a little off-topic, but I can't let remarks such as these slide without comment.

As far as I am concerned, "geekiness" is something for teenagers to worry about. It's nothing more than a reaction against individuality and liking things that aren't "mainstream". What the kids don't seem to realise is that most great things, be they arts, entertainment, sports, science, or what have you, come directly from that individualistic obsession and devotion. "Normal" is run of the mill, putting up with what you are given and never asking for more. If that makes me a geek, then I will wear the badge with honour.

Now the simple fact is, all of us reading and posting here (as well as those reading the Ain't it Cool News article) are obviously devoted to and obsessed with Lord of the Rings and its music. Like it or not, that means some (misguided) people are going to make fun of us. Even worse, some of us will be embarrassed for our own "geekiness", and make stupid comments to try to regain their sense of "normality". In the case in question, it looks like that guy got a sense of relief by thinking, "Thank god there are people geekier than me."

To sum up: so-called "geekiness" is often a source of greatness. Used as a label, it is nothing better than the lame put-down of an immature mind. Therefore, as with all things, embrace your geekiness, but in balance with the rest of life.

Thorf
Proud player of Dungeons & Dragons,
reader of J.R.R. Tolkien, Terry Pratchett, David Gemmell, et al,
watcher of inspiring movies,
listener of movie soundtracks,
teacher of English,
speaker of Japanese,
taker of photographs,
writer of stories,
designer of graphics.
(I'm sure you get the idea.)

As far as the films, again they are good but not my favorite. I can barely sit through one of the Extended Editions of the films with out having to take a break. To me they are too long.

Howard Shore said ROTK may even come out a little earlier than TTT, that is the first exciting news for ROTK.

Howard Shore said ROTK may even come out a little earlier than TTT, that is the first exciting news for ROTK.
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You wish.

No, I think RotK will come out at the same time as usual. Methinks these sets are released not merely when they are done with them, but also in a strategic position for the holidays.

I read your review for the Fellowship CR on Amazon today (I've seen it there before, but I only now noticed that it was written by our Gkgyver )... it is equally as excellent as the TTT review! Do you work in some kind of writing-oriented occupation? You write quite superlatively; it makes me a little self-conscious to post here! JK

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No, I think RotK will come out at the same time as usual. Methinks these sets are released not merely when they are done with them, but also in a strategic position for the holidays.

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I think you're right about that. I just wish it could come out in, say, October. I have a TON of Christmas music and in order for me to have it all listened to by the time Christmas arrives, I pretty much have to start right after Halloween. Thus I find myself torn between listening to an LOTR:CR over and over again, and listening to Christmas music to try to get in the mood for the holidays.

I have such weighty problems, don't I?

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Thus I find myself torn between listening to an LOTR:CR over and over again, and listening to Christmas music to try to get in the mood for the holidays.

I have such weighty problems, don't I?

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Make that two. I had 72 new CDs to listen to last Christmas...managed to go through 40-something, as I had to sleep and wanted to spend some time with family and friends.

Luckily, there are only 26 CDs to look forward to this year. Including T2T and Mutiny on the Bounty, that accounts for seven hours with just two scores!!

The Fellowship of the Ring
-Prologue, the forlorn horns after the Lothlórien theme right at the beginning
-Balin's Tomb, when the Fellowship comes into the open hall and Gandalf ventures a bit more light
-Gandalf's Fall
-Parth Galen, when the choir sets in at 8:32
-The Breaking of the Fellowship, once the bodhrán drums set in at 3:54 on the OST

The Two Towers
-Foundations of Stone, the final 20 seconds...I had more than goosebumps in the theatre that evening four years ago
-The Burning of the Westfold...what was it? Evil Times with choir?! I love those evil times!
-the film version of Shadowfax
-Forth Eorlingas
-the battle music for the Hornburg, shortly before the Orcs breach the Deeping Wall

The Return of the King
-The White Tree, album version, once tuba and bass trombones kick in at 2:02
-Journey to the Crossroads...there is a sublime piece of music when the Company meets the Headless King with a wonderful statement of the Fourth Age Theme
-The Ride of the Rohirrim, probably the most scoregasmic piece of music I ever had the pleasure to play loud
-Éowyn and the Nazgûl...now that's a piece I want to hear in its entirety!
-"For Frodo!"; Howard Shore obviously remembered my asking him if we would hear the Fellowship Theme performed by choir one day...

Speaking of favorite moments...on one of the appendices of FotR (DVD 3, animated storyboards) there playing a variation of the music when Frodo decries Barad-Dûr while sitting on Amon Hen. It's only a few seconds long, but this version includes the almighty choir singing unknown lyrics in a very powerful fashion. Curses a thousand-fold flew when I heard the music on the CR without the choir.

[Deceptively sweet voice]

So, I suggest someone puts that monstrous piece of music on that rarity disc one day, or there'll be blood for breakfast. I am called Narendur for a reason, you know?!

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(...) Howard Shore said ROTK may even come out a little earlier than TTT, that is the first exciting news for ROTK. (...)

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I have once again compiled a list of favorite moments from the LotR trilogy (five from each film). After treating you to mine, I'd like to know yours...

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Here are mine (in album order)... I think quite a few of them are fairly out of the ordinary too.

The Fellowship of the Ring (sorry... 6)

Concerning Hobbits (don't we all love it?)

Saruman the White: 3:23 - end

And possibly my favorite snippet in the entire Fellowship... Gilraen's Memorial: 3:03 - 3:32 (after oodles of listens, I still can't hear that 30 seconds without getting major goosebumps and steeling myself against tears)

Balin's Tomb: 0:00 - 1:08

Parth Galen: 7:15 - 7:30

The Breaking of the Fellowship: 3:52 - 4:38 (although the whistle solo after that is gorgeous too)

The Two Towers (6++... anyone a computer programmer? )

Of course, Glamdring/Foundations of Stone: 3:30 - end

Wraiths on Wings: 0:30 - end

Gandalf the White: 5:01 - end (I actually was in tears towards the end of this)

The Breach of the Deeping Wall: 0:00 ~ 2:05 ('~' = approximately)

The Last March of the Ents (FILM version, with the drums very prominent)

Forth Eorlingas (practically the entire track)

Samwise the Brave/The Tales That Really Matter: 00:42 - 2:04

The Return of the King (6+(1++) I've only seen it once all the way through, so I'll restrict my picks to the OST album for now)

A Storm Is Coming: 1:37 - 1:54 (I play violin, so I'm a little biased )

Hope and Memory: 0:49 - 1:06

The White Tree: 1:24 - end

The Fields of the Pelennor: 1:46 - end

The Black Gate Opens: 0:59 - end (this one brings me to tears often, especially since seeing the movie)

The End of All Things: 4:09 - end

The Return of the King: 7:20 ~ 9:16 (especially the tender violin solo)

OK... one movie/score pairing (only truly effective with both, I mean): "My friends... you bow to no one." Nothing more need be said, right?

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Whoops! Something went wrong and I got posted twice. Sorry.

BTW, I have a feeling this particular thread's days are numbered. It is becoming rather sluggish (the last was killed at page 26, I think). The new one should be named something like "The Two Towers: The Complete Recordings Discussion / RotK: CR News".... eh?

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I have once again compiled a list of favorite moments from the LotR trilogy (five from each film). After treating you to mine, I'd like to know yours...

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Here are mine (in album order)... I think quite a few of them are fairly out of the ordinary too.

The Fellowship of the Ring (sorry... 6)

Concerning Hobbits (don't we all love it?)

Saruman the White: 3:23 - end

And possibly my favorite snippet in the entire Fellowship... Gilraen's Memorial: 3:03 - 3:32 (after oodles of listens, I still can't hear that 30 seconds without getting major goosebumps and steeling myself against tears)

Balin's Tomb: 0:00 - 1:08

Parth Galen: 7:15 - 7:30

The Breaking of the Fellowship: 3:52 - 4:38 (although the whistle solo after that is gorgeous too)

The Two Towers (6++... anyone a computer programmer? )

Of course, Glamdring/Foundations of Stone: 3:30 - end

Wraiths on Wings: 0:30 - end

Gandalf the White: 5:01 - end (I actually was in tears towards the end of this)

The Breach of the Deeping Wall: 0:00 ~ 2:05 ('~' = approximately)

The Last March of the Ents (FILM version, with the drums very prominent)

Forth Eorlingas (practically the entire track)

Samwise the Brave/The Tales That Really Matter: 00:42 - 2:04

The Return of the King (6+(1++) I've only seen it once all the way through, so I'll restrict my picks to the OST album for now)

A Storm Is Coming: 1:37 - 1:54 (I play violin, so I'm a little biased )

Hope and Memory: 0:49 - 1:06

The White Tree: 1:24 - end

The Fields of the Pelennor: 1:46 - end

The Black Gate Opens: 0:59 - end (this one brings me to tears often, especially since seeing the movie)

The End of All Things: 4:09 - end

The Return of the King: 7:20 ~ 9:16 (especially the tender violin solo)

OK... one movie/score pairing (only truly effective with both, I mean): "My friends... you bow to no one." Nothing more need be said, right?

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Whoops! Something went wrong and I got posted twice. Sorry.

BTW, I have a feeling this particular thread's days are numbered. It is becoming rather sluggish (the last was killed at page 26, I think). The new one should be named something like "The Two Towers: The Complete Recordings Discussion / RotK: CR News".... eh?

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(...) BTW, I have a feeling this particular thread's days are numbered. It is becoming rather sluggish (the last was killed at page 26, I think). The new one should be named something like "The Two Towers: The Complete Recordings Discussion / RotK: CR News".... eh?

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I even edited the piece so that the choir from the OST now plays together with the Hardanger fiddle. It doesn't drown the fiddle out, it's perfect!

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