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No, the movie you mean is called "300"!

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No, the movie you mean is called "300"!

And yes, that piece has to be Night Camp.

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Well, I'm basing this on my approximately 6344 listens to the Complete Recordings.

Oh, and the reclamation of nature theme, of course.

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Approximately 6600 here...

But of course you're right.

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Originally posted by Christian Kühn:

Approximately 6600 here...

But of course you're right.

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Arrrr! But I guessed it a full 11 hours *before* G.K.!

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Originally posted by John C Winfrey:
This is one long post, aint it?

J.

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You should have been here for the first and second go 'rounds! This one is minute compared to the others. The length of these threads is about 90-95% on-topic so that should tell you how much these scores are enjoyed by those here. Welcome!

-Chad

Btw, I don't think the post count and anniversary posts count as on-topic.

Just to post something that might be of interest: I don't know if any of you know that show, but recently I flipped through several channels, and suddenly, Io! and behold, there was maestro Shore, talking about film music.
It was a show on "arte", called "Tracks". It was mainly about David Lynch, but they also had a section about film music, and introduced some composers like Howard Shore, Ennio Morricone, and a Japanese guy whose name I can't spell (not Ifukube).

Actually my thought was that the topic would eventually fade off until the ROTK but you prove me wrong. All of these months I was following this topic and found that you heaved talk about nice things

Well off the topic, I want to say a big thanks to Magpie for her awesome site, because I made a FOTR CC compilation (from the 3 disks into 1) for my girlfriend and she was interesting about the lyrics and Magpies site was excellent for guidance!

I am also happy to see here and there info by Doug about ROTK, and here’s a question for you Doug:
Can you reveal anything about the Aragorn’s Dressing into the King’s armor scene (not in the film or the EE) and the music? Is there any music? It’s going to be in the ROTK CR or in the Rarities set? Or it’s not going to be at all?

I hope that the release date for the ROTK it’s going to be sooner…

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Originally posted by MJC:
Good lord it's taking a long time for the third set to come out. It's almost June and we don't have a release date yet. My frustration is growing.

Martin

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Let it grow a little bit more, yes?!

HELLO?!?! Release info on FotR was made available in September of 2005, with the set coming out about three months later. T2T came out in early November, so you will have to wait almost half a year before you will be able to hold this baby in your hands.

What the shibber-ti-shabby made you think anything would be known just yet? Obviously, Doug hasn't got anything to report, otherwise he'd've said something, wouldn't he?

Sweet Betsy...

They musstn't go that way...

*Gollum*Gollum*

"Mordor was a dying land, but it was not dead. And here things still grew, harsh, twisted, bitter, struggling for life... ...There was a bitter tang in the air of Mordor that dried the mouth. When Sam thought of water even his hopeful spirit quailed. Beyond the Morgai there was the dreadful plain of Gorgoroth to cross....

"...Frodo sighed and was asleep almost before the words were spoken. Sam struggled with his own weariness, and he took Frodos' hand, and there he sat silen till deep night feel.... ...Far above the Ephel Duath in the West the night sky was still dim and pale. There, peeping among the cloud-wrack above a dark tor high up in the mountain, Sam saw a white star twinkle for a while. The beauty of it smote his heart, as he looked up out of the forsaken land, and hope returned to him. For like a shaft, clear and cold, the thought pierced him that in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach........"

Endure, we must all endure the time of waiting, the hardest part of the test is just before the end: the eucatastrophe! Let not our hearts be troubled,... We know what wonders await in just a few months of weeks.....

It WILL come and then what joy will there be!

Timdalf

People seriously need to just be more patient with this. Plus Doug has a busy day, it's not like he can just drop whatever and post on here when someone throws a temper tantrum and demands a new update or when the release date will be. Give the guy a break all ready, holy cow.

Update later today, watch this space.

No need for alarm, I've just been rather busy for the past month.

Back soon,

Nice to see you all again. Sorry for the absence, it’s not for lack of interest or lack of news… more lack of time! Sometimes doing work takes up so much time you’re left with precious little time to talk about work. But since I’ve got a few moments not bogged down in multitasking, I though I’d drop by with some answers and updates.

Read on! (Sorry for the jumbled question order .)

>>>Doug: Does "The White Rider in Nature" theme occur anywhere in the score for The Return of the King? It would be awesome to hear some unused version!>>>

It would be awesome indeed, but ‘tis not to be. The White Rider in Nature is a TTT only theme. The White Rider in the Fellowship, however…

>>>Hey, Doug. I'm sure this has been asked already, but if the ROTK set has more discs and more music, does that mean it's going to be more expensive?>>>

This is really the decision of the record company. I know there’s an overriding sentiment of “can we please NOT raise the price!” we’ll just have to see how the suits feel. Their perspective, of course, is not insignificant.

>>>I am also happy to see here and there info by Doug about ROTK, and here’s a question for you Doug:
Can you reveal anything about the Aragorn’s Dressing into the King’s armor scene (not in the film or the EE) and the music? Is there any music? It’s going to be in the ROTK CR or in the Rarities set? Or it’s not going to be at all?>>>

This scene was never scored in a final version, so there’s nothing for the CD set in this instance. Don’t fret though, there are plenty of unused goodies coming your way.

>>>At 51 mins and 47 seconds(in the EE) a motif appears breifly that I believe is used at the end of the score (twice in the movie in fact due to tracking issues). The grand statement of this theme is heard on the OST during "Return of the King" at 2:15.

I can definetely see a tie between these two scenes as they both have to do with Gondor's King. During the first scene at 51:47 Sam tells Frodo that the King has a crown again. Then the grand statement appears at the end of the film when the camera pans upon Minis Tirith
where the crowd is gathered for the ceremony, where Aragorn is crowned King. It is also played right after Frodo destroys the ring and you see
Merry and Pippin yelling "FRODO!!!!!!", which I thinks works great by the way. (This is tracked right Doug?)

Since this motif appears in the track "Return of the King" on the OST I am assuming this is where Shore intented it to be, exclusively. If so, I assume that on the ROTK: CR we'll hear what Shore originally wrote for the "FRODO!!!" scene.

So Doug, is the melody heard at 51:47 in the film supposed to be tied to grand statement at 2:15 in the track "Return of the King" thus musically forshadowing what happens later in the film?>>>

>>>I think it is the Fourth Age of Gondor theme which Doug mentioned some time ago.>>>

This is indeed the Fourth Age of Gondor theme, one of several Fourth Age themes that pepper the ROTK score. And as for the question of tracking during the tower’s fall… a qualified no. There are music edits in this scene, but this theme is meant to be here. No tracking occurs. You will hear the un-truncated version of this piece on the CR set, and boy oh boy… The music reaches a sonic and emotional peak here like you’ve never heard before.

>>>Question for Doug: You're probably not involved in this but have you heard any talk of the LotR symphony coming to Ireland? We certainly have enough fiddles and bodhráns to go round!>>>

Haven’t heard specific talk of an Irish performance, but it’s certainly not impossible. The Symphony is still actively touring around the world with new performances added all the time. If you watch Howard’s official site (www.howardshore.com) you’ll see updates added to the calendar regularly.

And not to drop too many slippery hints, but there may be an entirely new touring entity in the near future. Keep your eyes and ears peeled!

>>>I hope what I am about to say is not the case, and is proved wrong, but I have a feeling that the last disc is going to contain all the music from the Fan Credits of all three films................please, don't let this be the case, I want to hear 4 hours and 30 minutes of Return Of The King music......

My Precious....I await feedback.>>>

What you said is not the case, so fret not.

>>>I've always wondered why there is a difference between the OST's version of the "lighting of the beacons" scene(The White Tree) and the soundtrack from the actual film. Maybe Shore prefers it one way in the movie and another way on CD?

If you could elaborate on this subject Doug, it would be much appreciated.>>>

What you heard on the OST CD was Shore’s original take on the scene. In fact, I *believe* this was the first piece of music recorded for Return of the King… The film version is slightly revised (mainly harmonically) at Peter Jackson’s request.

So which “The Lighting of the Beacons” will you hear on the CR set? Hmmm, though I can tell you that this decision has already been made, you’ll have to wait until later for the verdict.

>>>Secondly, Use Well The Days ... what a beautiful song, and, at this point the face turns towards Doug, could it be that there are two versions of this song as well?
Because the sheet music that is available doesn't exactly match the version available on the ROTK Bonus DVD.>>>

To the best of my knowledge, there is just one recorded version of Use Well the Days. Warners’ published arrangements are always reworked by staff arrangers to accommodate young performers, specific ensembles, etc. Though Shore always edits and approves the arrangements personally, these aren’t his personal adaptations in most cases. So what you’re likely seeing here is the work of one of these arrangers.

As for updates…

The next draft of the liners is imminent. I’m adding a few paragraphs here and there, and still adapting some of the language from the full book so that it reads smoothly as a stand-alone booklet. The next edit of the discs is also cooking… right now track combinations are being sorted (so you don’t have 400 0:30 tracks per disc!), unused music is being located (included piece’s you’ve never heard and a handful of choral overlays that didn’t make the film’s final edit), versions of compositions are being compared for their merits.

In a few short weeks we will begin the process of digging through music for the bonus material disc (not part of the CR). There are hours and hours and hours of music to be sifted, so it’ll be a big task no doubt. But we’ll start flagging those unused bits, first drafts, mock-ups, etc. that will be of interest to the behind-the-scenes bloodhounds (e.g., you guys!)

Ok, that’s the news that’s fit to print. Let me know if I missed any of the backlogged questions. I’ll try to be a bit more present for the next few weeks.

Take care!

-Doug

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I really loved the additional choir in TTT's "Ugluks Warriors", so I suppose this time we'll get even more of it. Fantastic news!

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Ah-ha, so the bonus disc will be published separately. Together with your book, or will this be a release for its own?

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And as for the question of tracking during the tower’s fall… a qualified no. There are music edits in this scene, but this theme is meant to be here. No tracking occurs. You will hear the un-truncated version of this piece on the CR set, and boy oh boy… The music reaches a sonic and emotional peak here like you’ve never heard before.

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That'd be all.

RotK CR is another day closer!

And that whopper of a teaser:

>>>...but there may be an entirely new touring entity in the near future. Keep your eyes and ears peeled!<<<

So,... not only the glories of the CR of RotK, and then a rarities disc are coming to a cd player near us, but now a whole new arrangement LIVE (evidently) to look forward to and wonder about (impatiently)!!

Who said Bag End (or is it Score's Coda?)wasn't full of tunnels stuffed with treasure!

Thanks indeed for the wonderful update, Doug.

when Howard Shore was in Switzerland, Lucerne, for the "Music of Howard Shore" Concert, there were discussions going on about several ideas about another concert tour. One of 'em was about the first installement of The Lord of the Rings-Trilogy. He once conducted the full Score of "The Fellowship of the Ring" together with the movie (inclusive sound and speech). Kind of a live soundtrack, though. He liked it very much and said, that he would like to do it, or something comparable, again. So, who knows!
Something else was about his score for "Looking for Richard". But no further details yet.
Stay tuned (as I do ;-)).

Cheers

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Doug's update is truly a bright star over the Gorgoroth!! Hope returns!!!!

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It must fail before it returns. And it's just "Gorgoroth"...no "the". However, you might say The Plains of Gorgoroth.

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On the topic of unused scenes... what about Eowyn's and faramir's Wedding scene that was supposedly filmed? Was there any music written for that?

#1) My favorite piece of music from the trilogy is, hehe, an as-of-yet unreleased one:

The Breaking of the Fellowship, the alternate early version as heard during the FotR EE fan club credits

#2) Speaking of the fan club...it irks me to this day that I wasn't quick enough back then to sign up for the official LotR club. So, I had to stay on *this* side of the fence so to speak; I didn't have my own private piece of LotR for all eternity.

This is *the* pet peeve of my life, and seeing as it's the one that bugs me most, I guess I can consider myself a lucky person...apparently, I have no other problems.

With this in mind, I shall herewith put forth the motion that Doug include all of us from these LotR mega threads in a small corner of his book. How about that?

That's it, folks. Carry on!

Love,
Christian

PS: Who's who?
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