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Originally posted by Christian Kühn:
*bumptiously bumping this thread to a bumped-up position*

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I'm about to click over to the ol' mailbox and send the liners off to HS' office. They're due in to Warners tomorrow.

9,683 words, give or take.

And here we go...

Well, I'll be busy with other things, so don't expect to pop in during the next three months or so...

But I just wanted to express my bafflement (word?) that dedicated fans got thanked on the Godzilla set, while we LotR-MMs are being left outside the complete box sets, where we LotR-MMs don't do very well...

Everyone, have a nice summer!

Didn't you also leave for 3 months last year around this time?? I think u did... n when u got back, u said something to the effect that "I didnt miss much" Anyway, take care wherever u are, n get back quick.

I'm about to click over to the ol' mailbox and send the liners off to HS' office. They're due in to Warners tomorrow.

9,683 words, give or take.<<<

Congrats! So that leaves the Annotatations to the Score and The Book to finish up? So that means DA has much yet to do....

But it must mean the cd tracks are now completed or is this a first or intermediary draft of the Liner Notes with final tweaking possible based on minor changes to the music yet to come???

If anyone is in the Cleveland, Ohio area, Howard Shore is conducting the LOTR Symphony on July 21st.

http://www.clevelandorchestra.com/html/performance/viewByMonth.asp?m=7&y=2007#7/21/2007

I'd asked...

>>>In FOTR:CR, track 8 (A Conspiracy Unmasked) from 4:49 - 5:00 (very strongly) and continuing uptil 5:30, which in the movie is Gandalf telling Frodo "You must leave. And leave quickly" there's this "theme" that plays along; which is repeated again in ROTK, when Gandalf tells Pippin "Peregrin Took, my lad, there is a task to be done. Another opportunity for one of the Shire-folk to prove their great worth!

Is there a connexion here? At both places Gandalf is playing his role of moving the Hobbits to do great deeds...in the movie at any rate.

Maybe it's just me, but that's what I'm thinking.">>>

... and Doug said...

"There’s something to this, but not quite what you have in mind. The ROTK notes will shed some light."

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Okay, so as I said, I was listening to TTT:CR yesterday and I heard this same "theme" here as well. I was so excited I ran to the computer to update the entry for TTT (I've been working on a site for almost a year now, but don't ask!!).

Anyway, I didn't have the time to put in any details but my site should have it (when it's done). In the meantime, I went ahead and named this little thematic recurrence "The Power of Narya". I wasn't inclined to do so until yesterday, but then when I heard this reprisal in TTT, I had to put a name to it.

I called it The Power of Narya because it plays when Gandalf seems to sense urgency and moves Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas in this case, to "do something" (for a lack of other words).

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Originally posted by Doug Adams:
You want up-to-date, I've got up-to-date.

I'm about to click over to the ol' mailbox and send the liners off to HS' office. They're due in to Warners tomorrow.

9,683 words, give or take.

And here we go...

-Doug

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Great, one milestone down. Champagne all round. Now you can take it easy for a bit Doug???

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Originally posted by Matthijs:
Is it played when Gandalf hurries them out of Fangorn forrest? Before he whistles and Shadowfax appears?

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Absolutely Matthijs, the prize is yours... now I'm wondering how to award it to you :P I don't have the CD with me right now, but I'll post the timestamp as soon as I can, and if you don't get to it before me.

There's another motif that I'd termed "Hope Fails" - it plays in ROTK just after Denethor thinks Faramir is dead and runs to look out upon the Fields of the Pelennor, only to see the massive army before his City; and realizing that Rohan hasn't come to his aid, he despairs and orders Gondor's soldiers to flee. (Listen to ROTK:OST, Ash and Smoke, from 2:27 to 2:56).

I didn't think much of this little "motif" until this March. That's when I got TTT:CR and realized that this piece of music recurred twice. Interestingly, both instances seem to accompany a scene where hope seems to fail.

I'd put the timestamps in here, but I thought I'd have a little fun and see if anyone would want to try and find it out for themselves

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Originally posted by Earl:
And while I'm at it, here's something else that's been on my mind since I got TTT:CR.

There's another motif that I'd termed "Hope Fails" - it plays in ROTK just after Denethor thinks Faramir is dead and runs to look out upon the Fields of the Pelennor, only to see the massive army before his City; and realizing that Rohan hasn't come to his aid, he despairs and orders Gondor's soldiers to flee. (Listen to ROTK:OST, Ash and Smoke, from 2:27 to 2:56).

I didn't think much of this little "motif" until this March. That's when I got TTT:CR and realized that this piece of music recurred twice. Interestingly, both instances seem to accompany a scene where hope seems to fail.

I'd put the timestamps in here, but I thought I'd have a little fun and see if anyone would want to try and find it out for themselves

However, no prizes this time.

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So here are a few of my opinions, as a listener. First of all, if there's a question of which version of something to include on the CR, my response would always be "use what's in the film." Because the film is what made us fall in love with the music, and therefore want the music for ourselves. So whatever best reflects the music in the film, that's what I prefer, even in terms of mixing. I was so happy when, at the beginning of "Edoras," the trumpet is slightly elevated over the fiddle, as it was in the film, but not in the OST. And when there's a divergence between the theatrical and the EE, I would say try to provide us with both versions, such as Aragorn fighting at the Pelennor Fields, and Aragorn riding out in his kingly garb, two examples which were already mentioned here. If I had to choose one, I would say theatrical, but I'm also a completist, so I guess I'm screwed either way.

And it may sound crazy, but I would actually like to have the version of the "fall of barad-dur" music that was used in the film, tracking and all. Because one of the main reasons I'm listening to the music is to relive the experience of the film. And I can't wait to hear Howard's original version because I'm sure it's amazing, but there's still going to be that little voice in the back of my head saying, "that's not exactly what was in the film!" I may just have to cut it together myself, which is fine, really. It reminds me of "The Wolves of Isengard," where it seems that Howard originally wrote a statement of the Isengard theme, but in the film there's also a little bit of "The Bridge of Khazad-Dum" tracked in there as well. That wasn't so important to me, though.

And about the fan club credits, I don't see what the big deal is. It's mostly just a montage of music that's represented elsewhere, and with the completeness of the CRs, I have no doubt that all of those pieces will be (or are) available. Enough on that.

I'm very much looking forward to hearing the "I can see the Shire" music, Doug... if they ever suggest pushing up any release dates, you say "yes," got it? If you need extra help, I'm at your service, and you can pay me in cappuccinos.

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Strider, these words deserve death! ROTK credits contains pieces that were never used in the film.

A nightmarish idea came to me after Doug dicsovers the recordings library: what if this ends up releasing one rarities disk for each film every year again?!

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Originally posted by CaptPorridge:
This has probably been mentioned before... maybe,

50 minute video of the Symphony
Live performance intercut with Shore's comments:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3524703930917876850

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Originally posted by Ge0rge:

Strider, these words deserve death! ROTK credits contains pieces that were never used in the film.

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Originally posted by ilovehobbits:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by Earl Ignatius Carvalho:
[b]And while I'm at it, here's something else that's been on my mind since I got TTT:CR.

There's another motif that I'd termed "Hope Fails" - it plays in ROTK just after Denethor thinks Faramir is dead and runs to look out upon the Fields of the Pelennor, only to see the massive army before his City; and realizing that Rohan hasn't come to his aid, he despairs and orders Gondor's soldiers to flee. (Listen to ROTK:OST, Ash and Smoke, from 2:27 to 2:56).

I didn't think much of this little "motif" until this March. That's when I got TTT:CR and realized that this piece of music recurred twice. Interestingly, both instances seem to accompany a scene where hope seems to fail.

I'd put the timestamps in here, but I thought I'd have a little fun and see if anyone would want to try and find it out for themselves

However, no prizes this time.<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

I noticed that too, because that same musical build happens when Merry and Pippen get swallowed up by the tree in Fangorn Forest. At first I thought it was just a similar style of writing, but now I'm not so sure...there could be a little theme connection there. I don't know where the other recurrence is though...[/B]

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You're absolutely correct. You can hear it between 1:46 and 2:10 of TTT:CR Disc 1 Track 16 'Ent-Draught'.

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Originally posted by CaptPorridge:

50 minute video of the Symphony
Live performance[.]

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I was there when they recocded that. And I was bloody cross when I learnt that The Maestro had been at a signing event two(?) days prior to the corcert -- And I didn't know about it.

Oh no, that would be terrible, as I would be powerless to resist buying every one of them
WELL, come to think of it, they did do three different versions of "The Making of" books... hmmm...

Very brief check-in here. If anyone among you is planning on attending the Cleveland LOTR performance tomorrow night -- and feel eagle-eyed enough to pick me out of the crowd -- please feel free to come and say hello.

No news, no announcements tonight. Just looks to be a lovely summer evening at an outdoor theater, and it'd be nice to say hello to a few friendly faces.

More actual news upon return.

Thanks,

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No news, no announcements tonight. Just looks to be a lovely summer evening at an outdoor theater[...]

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Originally posted by Doug Adams:
Hi everyone,

No news, no announcements tonight. Just looks to be a lovely summer evening at an outdoor theater, and it'd be nice to say hello to a few friendly faces.

-Doug Adams

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Well darn!

Naw, I'm just jokin'. Have a nice summer Doug!

I know I certainly am!

Just curious!

What an awesome question! Seriously, I do mixes of music and sometimes by the time I am done I just never want to hear the music ever again. Like LaLaLand Records with Godzilla, sitting for 7 hours of music and spending a year on a project must just be sickening. I can't imagine doing all the LOTR projects.

Clayton

!!!IT'S A LABOUR OF LOVE!!!

A question for Doug........as us Hobbits, Elves, Dwarfs, Men, and whoever else there is in the Lord Of The Rings Realm get excited as the day draws nearer and nearer, and closer and closer at each passing moment in time........to the release of Lord Of The Rings: Return Of The (Complete) King!!!

How far off is the Annotated Film Score Notes, or how are they coming along?????