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Bond1965 Standard Userer	Saturn Award Nominees for the Best Music category: DAVID ARNOLD (Casino Royale) (Sony / MGM) JOHN OTTMAN (Superman Returns) (Warner Bros.) DOUGLAS PIPES (Monster House) (Sony) JOHN POWELL (X-Men: The Last Stand) (20th Century Fox) TREVOR RABIN (Flyboys) (MGM) TOM TYKWER, JOHNNY KLIMEK, REINHOLD HEIL (Perfume: The Story of a Murderer) (DreamWorks / Paramount) Nice selection. James
posted 02-21-2007 08:14 PM PT (US)

nuts_score Standard Userer	Good selection indeed; though I'm a little saddened to find that Ottman's Superman Returns was nominated over Clint Mansell's The Fountain. And a nod ofr Trevor Rabin? Very "cutting edge"!
posted 02-21-2007 08:43 PM PT (US)

Christian Kühn Standard Userer	I don't think anyone ever announced the winner this year... ...John Ottman for SUPERMAN RETURNS. CK
posted 09-09-2007 05:38 AM PT (US)

Erik Woods Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Christian Kühn: I don't think anyone ever announced the winner this year... ...John Ottman for SUPERMAN RETURNS. CK Seriously... wow! That's... a surprise... and not a pleasant one. -Erik-
posted 09-09-2007 10:17 AM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	WOW! ALL those nominees are weak, VERY WEAK. And Ottman won!? Powell's is the best of the bunch there, the only strong score in that pile. [Message edited by sean on 09-09-2007]
posted 09-09-2007 10:58 AM PT (US)

Erik Woods Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by sean: *WOW! ALL those nominees are weak, VERY WEAK. And Ottman won!? Powell's is the best of the bunch there, the only strong score in that pile.* Actually, Casino Royale and Perfume are quite good. Both were on my personal Top 10 for 2006 list. -Erik-
posted 09-09-2007 08:24 PM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Erik Woods: Actually, Casino Royale and Perfume are quite good. Both were on my personal Top 10 for 2006 list. -Erik- I haven't heard Perfume yet, but Casino Royale, while "good," still suffers from David Arnold just aping John Barry: Arnold has the talent to do good original work, yet continues to just lean on Barry for his Bond scores; I'm bored with the approach and it's completely unnecessary--a Bond score DOES NOT have to pay such "homage" to John Barry in order to sound good; Arnold should be replaced on this series ASAP.
posted 09-09-2007 08:49 PM PT (US)

nuts_score Standard Userer	<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by sean: I haven't heard Perfume yet, but Casino Royale, while "good," still suffers from David Arnold just aping John Barry: Arnold has the talent to do good original work, yet continues to just lean on Barry for his Bond scores; I'm bored with the approach and it's completely unnecessary--a Bond score DOES NOT have to pay such "homage" to John Barry in order to sound good; Arnold should be replaced on this series ASAP. <HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE> AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!! [Message edited by PeterK on 09-09-2007]
posted 09-09-2007 09:02 PM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	nuts: LMAO! That's why I posted that, I knew it'd drive you bonkers.
posted 09-09-2007 10:37 PM PT (US)

BigT1981 Standard Userer	I'm a dork I saw the original post was done in February... I hate when people bump up old threads...bleh! [Message edited by BigT1981 on 09-09-2007]
posted 09-09-2007 11:09 PM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	Wow, I didn't even notice. I'm so out of it I don't even know what the Saturn Awards are.
posted 09-09-2007 11:23 PM PT (US)

franz_conrad Standard Userer	I wouldn't be dismayed to have Arnold off the Bonds either. CASINO ROYALE was ok, but four trips to the well is enough of a turn... there was must be others out there who can do the 'modernised Barry' thing just as well. And though this comes months too late, the nominees, and winner, go some way towards explaining why sci-fi/fantasy fans come off as a bit too undiscriminating of their own genre some times.
posted 09-10-2007 07:00 AM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	The "modernized Barry" does not need to be done. I was excited when Arnold claimed he was using a new "sound" for Casino Royale, given that there would be a new actor, and while it's probably his best Bond score, so much of it is just Arnold trying his best to sound like Barry, because that's what he thinks he has to do. Regardless, he's wrong, it's the wrong approach, and it's a tired sound. Listen to Bill Conti's For Your Eyes Only, one of my favourite Bond scores, and you'll hear Bill Conti, not Bill Conti trying to sound like John Barry. That's the way you do it and David Arnold has enough original talent to go that route, yet he's too far gone now with his reverence for Barry that I'm sure it's too late to salvage a new approach from him. If Arnold is back again, which I'm sure he will be since he's so safe, than maybe he should try and sound like himself, not John Barry.
posted 09-10-2007 12:20 PM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by franz_conrad: And though this comes months too late, the nominees, and winner, go some way towards explaining why sci-fi/fantasy fans come off as a bit too undiscriminating of their own genre some times. Michael, I beg of you, tell me your choices.
posted 09-10-2007 02:39 PM PT (US)

Christian Kühn Standard Userer	For those interested, here are all the Saturn award winners back to the 1970s: 1974: BERNARD HERRMANN, career achievement award 1975: MIKLÓS RÓZSA, career achievement award 1976: DAVID RAKSIN, career achievement award 1977: JOHN WILLIAMS for Star Wars 1978: JOHN WILLIAMS for Superman 1979: MIKLÓS RÓZSA for Time After Time 1980: JOHN BARRY for Somewhere in Time 1981: JOHN WILLIAMS for Raiders of the Lost Ark 1982: JOHN WILLIAMS for E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial 1983: JAMES HORNER for Brainstorm 1984: JERRY GOLDSMITH for Gremlins 1985: BRUCE BROUGHTON for Young Sherlock Holmes 1986: ALAN MENKEN for Little Shop of Horrors 1987: ALAN SILVESTRI for Predator 1988: CHRISTOPHER YOUNG for Hellbound: Hellraiser II 1989: not awarded 1990: ALAN SILVESTRI for Back to the Future Part III 1991: LOEK DIKKER for Body Parts 1992: ANGELO BADALAMENTI for Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me 1993: DANNY ELFMAN for Tim Burton's The Nightmare Before Christmas 1994: HOWARD SHORE for Ed Wood 1995: JOHN OTTMAN for The Usual Suspects 1996: DANNY ELFMAN for Mars Attacks! 1997: DANNY ELFMAN for Men in Black 1998: JOHN CARPENTER for Vampires 1999: DANNY ELFMAN for Sleepy Hollow 2000: JAMES HORNER for How The Grinch Stole Christmas 2001: JOHN WILLIAMS for A.I. Artificial Intelligence 2002: DANNY ELFMAN for Spider-Man 2003: HOWARD SHORE for The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King 2004: ALAN SILVESTRI for Van Helsing 2005: JOHN WILLIAMS for Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith 2006: JOHN OTTMAN for Superman Returns CK
posted 09-12-2007 02:21 AM PT (US)

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