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rolltide1017 Non-Standard Userer	quote: This streaming music might be a totally legal thing happening, but it reminds me of someone standing outside a restaurant and serving free samples at the corner - like, here's a taste of what you'll get if you go in. Sorry Earl but, I disagree with everything you've said especially the above portion. The streaming reminds me more of a radio broadcast then anything else, which is basically what it is, an online radio broadcast. If a local radio station was broadcasting tracks from the CD, would you have a problem with that and find it disrespectful? Most poeple who buy this set will never now who Doug is and will have never read any of his comments on this board, so are they being disrespectful for not knowing the behind the scenes people? I guess I just don't get what your really talking about. About the only thing I would consider disrespectful would be illegally downloading the CDs and not buying them. Other then that, a person is free to listen to it however they choose. If I want to rip the CD to 64Kbps mono, that's my choice and it is not disrespectful to anyone IMO (and no, I'm not going to do that). I don't see anything wrong with streamingsoundtracks.com. As far as I'm concerned it's a radio broadcast and I'm enjoying it quite a bit. Also, thanks to those who first mentioned streamingsoundtracks.com. I had no idea this site even existed and after about a hour of listening I decided to pay and become a VIP member. Love the service and will be using this at work everyday.
posted 10-14-2007 12:39 PM PT (US)

weyhoops Standard Userer	Lots of short tracks! Does anyone have concerns about the flow of the album, as compared with Fellowship or even Two Towers? Noticing track lengths has allowed me to re-evaluate my preference for Fellowship, both as a movie and as a score. Maybe it is the "connectedness" of the movie and score that I find so attractive (among other reasons of course). Also, I know there was a big debate about Bilbo's song being included before we got the track list. Does anyone have misgivings about it being on this set? I'm a bit in the middle...I see both sides. I absolutely love the piece of music, and am therefore glad to be getting it on disc now. But I also love the Wagner-esque finish so much...such a great way to end the saga. I'm not sure if I want to hear any other notes after those play out. And even though Bilbo's song exists as a ROTK piece in that it is part of that DVD...I'm not sure that it necessarily is a part of this score/movie any more than the others. Should it perhaps just have a special place on the rarities disc...for sake of the flow and the telling of the story? [Message edited by weyhoops on 10-14-2007]
posted 10-14-2007 01:22 PM PT (US)

Incanus Standard Userer	Now before the release it is of course difficult to say anything about the track times and how that affects the flow of the score. It could be that shorter tracks flow seamlessly to the following music and do not disrupt the overall flow from track to track. Or so I hope. On Bilbo's Song: I welcome the track at the end of the score. It is something of a "farewell" piece from Shore to the entire trilogy. I will have to wait and hear how it will fit after the End Credits piece but I think it will not disrupt the ending for me. [Message edited by Incanus on 10-14-2007]
posted 10-14-2007 01:41 PM PT (US)

Magpie Standard Userer	Re: Bilbo's Song. I will, of course, reserve final judgment till after I've listened to the flow but I'm a little concerned. (although 'concerned' is too strong a word) As I said before, there's an emotional arc. The music ends and one either feels satisfied at the end or not. If one feels satisfied, why break in with a new thought? But, it's a small thing. If I truly dislike it I can hit stop.
posted 10-14-2007 01:42 PM PT (US)

gkgyver Standard Userer	I consider Bilbo's Song the real ending to RotK. It's an utterly beautiful piece of music that helps you unwind and reflect on the passed 10 hours.
posted 10-14-2007 02:44 PM PT (US)

weyhoops Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Magpie: Re: Bilbo's Song. I will, of course, reserve final judgment till after I've listened to the flow but I'm a little concerned. (although 'concerned' is too strong a word) As I said before, there's an emotional arc. The music ends and one either feels satisfied at the end or not. If one feels satisfied, why break in with a new thought? But, it's a small thing. If I truly dislike it I can hit stop. You have basically summed up how I feel about it. Definitely not a big deal either way, and I will have to reserve judgment until November 6.
posted 10-14-2007 02:48 PM PT (US)

weyhoops Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Incanus: Now before the release it is of course difficult to say anything about the track times and how that affects the flow of the score. It could be that shorter tracks flow seamlessly to the following music and do not disrupt the overall flow from track to track. Or so I hope. On Bilbo's Song: I welcome the track at the end of the score. It is something of a "farewell" piece from Shore to the entire trilogy. I will have to wait and hear how it will fit after the End Credits piece but I think it will not disrupt the ending for me. [Message edited by Incanus on 10-14-2007] While the shorter tracks may flow very well (and I have a VERY strong suspicion that they do), it still means that the scored scenes are broken up to a much greater degree than with the other two films. With Fellowship, we mostly had 4+ minute connected pieces flowing into one another, while on ROTK we have lots of 2-ish minute pieces flowing into one another (and, again, probably very well). But each of those 2 minute pieces are separate all the same, or otherwise they would not have been split into different tracks. This is by no means a complaint, just an observation. Who knows, it may actually provide an even more pleasurable listening experience than the previous two (if that is possible)!
posted 10-14-2007 02:54 PM PT (US)

Wedge Standard Userer	The "free samples" analogy is OK, but here's a better one. You've all been invited to an exquisite gourmet meal at a five-star establishment. This meal will be all-out -- candlelit table, warm atmosphere, helpful waitstaff attending on your every need. The meal will be five courses, each a symphony of ingredients. The food is being prepared by one of the world's greatest chefs, who labored long and hard over the creation of the menu, and has been busy in the kitchen for days already. A few hours before the restaurant opens, you're wandering out back, ravenously hungry in anticipation of your immanent feast. As you pace, the owner of the restaurant notices you, and decides to invite you into the kitchen to snatch random bites of whatever dish is passing by on its way to or from the stove. So ... is this disrespectful to the chef?
posted 10-14-2007 02:58 PM PT (US)

gkgyver Standard Userer	That's a pretty weak analogy lol
posted 10-14-2007 03:01 PM PT (US)

dambedir Standard Userer	The Complet Recording is directly related to the movie. Bilbo's Song is while the Fans Credit generic !! he/they thank us !! And it's Maybe a Rendez-vous for "THE HOBBIT" :the Movies
posted 10-14-2007 03:59 PM PT (US)

dambedir Standard Userer	canceled : double post [Message edited by dambedir on 10-14-2007]
posted 10-14-2007 03:59 PM PT (US)

Sabsi Standard Userer	Re: Bilbo's Song: I agree with Georg, it IS the real ending of RotK. I'm watching (or rather listening to) the FanClubCredits every time I watch the movie. I'm so used to it, that the CR would feel 'incomplete', without it. But what about Sissels Song? Why did they choose this particular track to present it. I thought it was written for the Houses of Healing, but then replaced by Arwen's Song. Is there an other deleted scene, it was meant to accompany?? Why after the �owyn/Faramir-'There is no warmth left in the sun'-scene?? Just to keep it near by its intended place (the HoH)?? No complaints here, I'm glad it made it on the CR, I just hope Doug's AS will shed some light on this... -Sabsi, abstaining from listening to RotK - again...
posted 10-14-2007 04:26 PM PT (US)

gkgyver Standard Userer	Even if I risk being told to shut up, I have to say that Minas Morgul has a great unused choral bit!
posted 10-14-2007 07:10 PM PT (US)

Strider1002 Standard Userer	^I won't tell you to shut up; you're just heightening my anticipation (in a good way). And there's no way I'm going to listen to it in that quality on these little computer speakers... no way.
posted 10-14-2007 09:14 PM PT (US)

Aman from Middle-Earth Non-Standard Userer	Man! That "Siege of Gondor" was some great song!
posted 10-14-2007 09:37 PM PT (US)

BattleToTheEnd Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by gkgyver: Even if I risk being told to shut up, I have to say that Minas Morgul has a great unused choral bit! That and "The Seige of Gondor" was amazing, OMG. Talk about heavy, the Mordor theme(s) really kicks in there. Along with the Fellowship theme when Ganalf jumps towards Pippin to fight off the Orcs.
posted 10-14-2007 09:42 PM PT (US)

Shire Bagginz Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by BattleToTheEnd: <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by gkgyver: [b]Even if I risk being told to shut up, I have to say that Minas Morgul has a great unused choral bit!<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE> That and "The Seige of Gondor" was amazing, OMG. Talk about heavy, the Mordor theme(s) really kicks in there. Along with the Fellowship theme when Ganalf jumps towards Pippin to fight off the Orcs.[/B] Yeesh! Excitment level rising to astronomical levels here! I'm gonna wait until I have it in my hands to listen to it though...mostly due to my passion for this music and lets face it....my completist/OCD qualities! I can't wait to here it in all of its glory at once, in superb DVD-audio!!!
posted 10-14-2007 10:50 PM PT (US)

rolltide1017 Non-Standard Userer	Not sure if this is the right place to ask this but, here it goes. I'm an iPoder so I haven't listened to my actual FOTR CR disc in a while but, I got a new car and haven't bought an iPod compatible stereo yet so I've been using CDs. Well, I have run into a problem with disc 1 track 14 "The Nazgul" of FOTR CR. Just after the 4:00 mark it starts stuttering and skipping but there is not a scratch on the disc. I also tried re-ripping the disc (at a higher bit rate) and everything rips fine except track 14 on disc one. It encounters too many errors and just stops the rip. My question is; is there any way to get a replacement disc from the record label? I'm willing to pay but, I don't want to have to re-buying the entire set. I don;t understand how this has happened, the disc has barely been used at all because I ripped to my iPod when I first bought it. Any help or info would be appreciated.
posted 10-14-2007 11:10 PM PT (US)

ilovehobbits Non-Standard Userer	Regarding Bilbo's Song: If I remember correctly, it is Shore's final variation on the hobbit material, and for me, this piece is needed to allow us to remember all that the hobbits have been through, while also telling us of the glory they have achieved throughout Middle-Earth, even thinking as far back as Bilbo and his first adventure. To end this epic on that note is pure satisfaction as far as my musical taste buds are concerned.
posted 10-14-2007 11:12 PM PT (US)

Earl Standard Userer	Well, for my part, I've always thought of these releases as gifts from Shore, Doug and the guys behind the scenes - and if they've spent years putting it together, I thought at least the people of this board who have been part of this release (in a manner of speaking) could hold out for 2 more weeks. For people who need to be "introduced" to the set, listening to samples might have been understandable. But anyway, I don't want to play spoilsport and mess up the discussions on this board for people who are enjoying their snippets of ROTK:CR music, so I'll just sit back and accept it for what it is. After all, as I said, we're all entitled to enjoy our music the way we want to. And moreover at this point, I'd rather this board have meaningful music discussions rather than bickering
posted 10-14-2007 11:35 PM PT (US)

*Tom* Non-Standard Userer	For those of you who caught it, what track is the Minas Morgul cue contained in? I've only managed to catch 2 tracks: Osgiliath Invaded and Dernhelm in Battle.
posted 10-15-2007 12:06 AM PT (US)

Incanus Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by gkgyver: Even if I risk being told to shut up, I have to say that Minas Morgul has a great unused choral bit! Well I could tell you to shut up that is too good and tasty news to complain about so I thank you for adding my anticipation. And is the choral bit Ringwraith material by any chance?
posted 10-15-2007 12:48 AM PT (US)

Thorf Standard Userer	Tom, "Minas Morgul" is at the end of "A Coronal of Silver and Gold". The same track on the OST was 1:58, but I got the feeling that this one was much longer - maybe as much as double. I think the biggest thing we have to show from people's impressions so far is that the sheer amount of "new" music is quite astounding. We have a lot to look forward to. :-) [Message edited by Thorf on 10-15-2007]
posted 10-15-2007 03:35 AM PT (US)

Thorf Standard Userer	http://fsmpodcast.libsyn.com/ Doug has been busy - but before you get too excited it's not about Return of the King. It's "just" his latest Film Score Monthly regular podcast, for those of you who are interested.
posted 10-15-2007 03:54 AM PT (US)

gkgyver Standard Userer	quote: Well, for my part, I've always thought of these releases as gifts from Shore, Doug and the guys behind the scenes - and if they've spent years putting it together, I thought at least the people of this board who have been part of this release (in a manner of speaking) could hold out for 2 more weeks. For people who need to be "introduced" to the set, listening to samples might have been understandable. These aren't SAMPLES, these are the full tracks with lesser sound quality. I'm sorry, but this is getting ridiculous. Gifts are meant to be enjoyed, they're not meant to be put in a shrine for worshipping. I think over the past two years, some people got lost in their feelings towards the CRs. Having the entire set up for listening already is a fantastic bonus, take it or leave it; but don't try to suggest to yourself and others they might do something morally questionable. What if Howard Shore wanted or signed off this internet release? That possibility is more than just slim.
posted 10-15-2007 04:32 AM PT (US)

dambedir Standard Userer	Who think a day we will have a DVD with the options : Only the Music of the CR will be played on the LOTR MOVIES ??? with subtitle for the Lyrics of the songs !!! maybe with the HD release of the extended version ?? DOUG ??
posted 10-15-2007 04:57 AM PT (US)

Christian K�hn Standard Userer	No. Watch the movies for the movies' sake. Listen to the CRs for the music's sake. Look up the choral lyrics in the CD booklets or in Doug's upcoming book. CK
posted 10-15-2007 05:24 AM PT (US)

dambedir Standard Userer	I think you're pessimist... at any rate the CR will have Alway something that never will be on a DVD as I describ it I know you don't listen the web radio but i think you know or you can guess it ??
posted 10-15-2007 05:46 AM PT (US)

Earl Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by gkgyver: <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Well, for my part, I've always thought of these releases as gifts from Shore, Doug and the guys behind the scenes - and if they've spent years putting it together, I thought at least the people of this board who have been part of this release (in a manner of speaking) could hold out for 2 more weeks. For people who need to be "introduced" to the set, listening to samples might have been understandable.<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE> These aren't SAMPLES, these are the full tracks with lesser sound quality. I'm sorry, but this is getting ridiculous. Gifts are meant to be enjoyed, they're not meant to be put in a shrine for worshipping. I think over the past two years, some people got lost in their feelings towards the CRs. Having the entire set up for listening already is a fantastic bonus, take it or leave it; but don't try to suggest to yourself and others they might do something morally questionable. What if Howard Shore wanted or signed off this internet release? That possibility is more than just slim. Hey chill gkgyver. Nothing's "getting ridiculous" because I at least am not going to continue this any further. I respect the way people on this board feel towards this (though I don't expect the same in return) and since I started it, I feel responsible towards stopping it. So to move on to a much more pleasant topic - just a reminder in case anyone forgot, this Thursday is Howard Shore's birthday
posted 10-15-2007 06:08 AM PT (US)

gkgyver Standard Userer	And Friday's mine. Too bad I wasn't born a day earlier, I could have written Lord of the Rings
posted 10-15-2007 06:13 AM PT (US)

Magpie Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Earl: So to move on to a much more pleasant topic - just a reminder in case anyone forgot, this Thursday is Howard Shore's birthday And I have a birthday present for Shore fans. Stay tuned.
posted 10-15-2007 08:27 AM PT (US)

gkgyver Standard Userer	Something about Return of the King?
posted 10-15-2007 08:43 AM PT (US)

Magpie Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by gkgyver: Something about Return of the King? No... it refers to something much 'older' than ROTK. And it's 'lighthearted' in spirit. (Shore has done other things than LOTR....) Although, perhaps we could apply the term 'Roots and Beginnings' to the present.
posted 10-15-2007 10:08 AM PT (US)

gkgyver Standard Userer	Not Mrs. Doubtfire ... ?
posted 10-15-2007 10:39 AM PT (US)

BattleToTheEnd Standard Userer	It seems to be that Best Buy is following the trend like Barnes and Noble by having the release date as November 13th. Doug, Peter and comments on the matter gentleman?
posted 10-15-2007 11:18 AM PT (US)

PeterK FishChip	Confirmed, official release date now the 13th. I hope this means there will be stock available for shipping out the Friday before release date! Nothing worse than having something not in stock a day before the release date....
posted 10-15-2007 11:38 AM PT (US)

rolltide1017 Non-Standard Userer	Well, I'm frustrated and going to vent so bare with me. I found a phone number for WB Rercords and talked to them about my problem with disc 1 of FOTR CR. Well, they said there is nothing they can do for me. If it had happened when I first bought the set they would have exchanged it but not now and they can't sale me just disc one. So, I'm stuck either buy and brand new copy of the set because of one track that will not play or, illegally downloading it. Too bad iTunes doesn't offer lossless download. The music industry wants to stop piracy but isn't willing to help out a paying customer, nice. I'm really upset because I love this set but, I'll barely have the money for ROTK CR and I can't afford to buy another FOTR right now. I don't understand why this one track will not play, the disc is spotless and looks brand new. I've barely used the disc as well because I ripped it to my iPod the day I bought it. I don't get how a track just stops working all of a sudden, I thought CDs were suppose to last longer then this.
posted 10-15-2007 11:45 AM PT (US)

Magpie Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by gkgyver: Not Mrs. Doubtfire ... ? no... but you're strangely close in one sense.
posted 10-15-2007 11:46 AM PT (US)

Jim Ware Standard Userer	This months FSM Online has a LOTR related 'Score Restore'. I dispute the accuracy of their synchronisation, but it's interesting to watch nonetheless.
posted 10-15-2007 11:54 AM PT (US)

BattleToTheEnd Standard Userer	<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by PeterK: Confirmed, official release date now the 13th. I hope this means there will be stock available for shipping out the Friday before release date! Nothing worse than having something not in stock a day before the release date....<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE> Any idea Peter why it was pushed back a week? I hope they pull what they did with Fellowship on ROTK, that would suck... [Message edited by BattleToTheEnd on 10-15-2007]
posted 10-15-2007 12:17 PM PT (US)

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