Doug, I have a question for you, ¿the CR of ROTK arrives to Europe? The past year didnt arrive to Spain and it was very dissapointed.

I prepare a new video with the unused music of "Mount Doom" scene:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWmqYEMfuqM

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Originally posted by Magpie:
No... it refers to something much 'older' than ROTK. And it's 'lighthearted' in spirit. (Shore has done other things than LOTR....)

Although, perhaps we could apply the term 'Roots and Beginnings' to the present.

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Hmmm...
'Roots And Beginnings': SNL??
'Lighthearted': Big?

-Sabsi

[Message edited by StarlessWinter on 10-15-2007]

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Originally posted by Sabsi:

Hmmm...
'Roots And Beginnings': SNL??
'Lighthearted': Big?

-Sabsi

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I tried to measure all of the extra music in the ROTK:CR in comparison with the music that prevailed in the picture (on the basis of my previous table http://www.geocities.com/magpie930/MISC_PAGES/TRouiller/ROTKmovieanalysis.htm).

The main differences between the CR and the film's soundtrack are the following :

* +3:30 in Roots and Beginings (1.1)
* +1:38 in The Palantir (1.10)
* +3:19 in The Lighting of the Beacons (1.15)

* +3:27 in Osgiliath Invaded (2.1)
* +0:51 in Allegiance to Denethor (2.3)
* +1:03 in The Sacrifice of Faramir (2.4)
* +0:54 in Marshalling at Dunharrow (2.6)
* +0:41 in Anduril - Flame of the West and The Passing of the Grey Company (2.7 & 2.8)

* +1:22 in Shelob the Great (3.2)
* +0:55 in the Battle of the Pelennor Fields (3.4)
* +1:12 in The Houses of Healing (3.11)
* +2:28 in The Last Debate (3.13)
* +1:42 in The Land of Shadow (3.14)

* +0:45 in The Crack of Doom (4.2)
* +1:10 in The Fellowship Reunited (4.4)
* and of course Bilbo's Song (4.8) with 2 minutes and 57 seconds added!

Those are the major supplements, but as you know, there is a total amount of more than 35 minutes of extra music.

Good good good!

The tracks I am most willing to rediscover:
- Roots and Beginnings
- The Lighting of the Beacons
- Osgiliath Invaded
- The Sacrifice of Faramir
- The Houses of Healing
- The Last Debate
- The Crack of Doom
and even it is close to the film's edit:
- The Siege of Gondor

You're right about The Sacrifice of Faramir. It's my mistake.

For the Passing of the Grey Company it is indeed not very significant.

For The Battle of the Pelennor Fields, there is in fact nearly one more minute in The Tomb of the Stewards, the previous track.

As for The Fellowship Reunited, I don't know, but it seems I missed 1:10... (7:36 from Frodo's wakening to their returning in the Shire and 3:32 from the scene at the Green Dragon to the "Room for a little more" script line). That makes 11:08!

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Originally posted by Magpie:
And SNL would not be lighthearted?

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It is, but I was listening to Big when I made my guess and thought that it's quite 'lighthearted' as well...

-Sabsi

!!!TRACK SPOILERS!!!

"The Tomb Of Stewards" includes Frodo getting carried away by the Orcs from the Cirith Ungol tower, the music under Denethor walking to his tomb, and ends with Gandalf's confrontation with the witch king, which includes around 10, 15 seconds of unused score.
In "The Fellowship Reunited", there's an added, maybe 10, 15 seconds, before the grand statement of Frodo's Song, but apart from that, there's also nothing.
I'm amazed that you didn't notice the significant extension of the Crossroads/Minas Morgul scene ("A Coronal Of Silver").

!!!SPOILERS OUT!!!

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Originally posted by rolltide1017:
So, I'm stuck either buy and brand new copy of the set because of one track that will not play or, illegally downloading it. Too bad iTunes doesn't offer lossless download. The music industry wants to stop piracy but isn't willing to help out a paying customer, nice.

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I've found that I often get a bad disc here and there when buying box sets. It happened to me most recently with a box set of Istvan Kertesz's recordings of all of Dvorak's symphonies (and this was also a reputable label). In this case, I simply notified Amazon, and they shipped out a new one immediately and provided me with a prepaid return label. Easy as could be.

Your problem is obviously a little different, I understand. I, for one, absolutely disagree that for you to download the track that will not play from BitTorrent or something is ethically wrong at all. You OWN the music! But of course, the RIAA is so grossly out of touch with reality, they would doubtless consider it base crime... much like they deem listening to your own ripped music on your iPod, watching ripped DVDs on your iPod, or making backup CDs for yourself also crimes (they obviously don't enforce this, but their lawyers have said all these things in court at one time or another).

My recommendation is just to do whatever you must to be able to listen to this track that you legally own.

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Originally posted by StarlessWinter:
[B]Is that really the unused music for the Crack of Doom scene? I always thought I was hearing a bunch of voices singing the Seduction of the Ring theme at different times (sort of overwhelming Frodo) very, very lightly in the background of that scene. Maybe it was just the sound effects. Oh well.

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Originally posted by gkgyver:
There is choir on the CR, but very faintly.

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Oh, ok. Well, I'll see when the actual set is released, but I kind of wish the choir was more prominent.

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Originally posted by Sabsi:
November 13th?? Great, I have to adjust my counter. Bu one week isn't that bad.

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Oh well better not dwell on this.

-Mikko, trying to steer his thoughts away from RotK CR for few weeks-

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Originally posted by gkgyver:
Not so negative, people! We've survived a delay before.

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No, I am quite certain that there have been a few corpses along the way...maybe there will be some this time as well?!

For "A Coronal of Silver and Gold", I initialy assumed that the first part of Osgiliath Invaded was attached to the Minas Morgul sequence (as in the film).
Mea Culpa, everything will be in "Osgiliath Invaded". And that's great, that will make an astounding piece of music! I didn't have the chance of hearing it on streamingsoundtracks.com. I've been told, though, that it was excellent!

As the editing of the CR doesn't always follow that from the film (it is true for Osgiliath Invaded and for the arrival of Gandalf at Minas Tirith), there are a couple of mistakes like that. I will try to update my table as often as possible.

Anyway, the release of the CR is no longer very far from now...

In a few minutes, The Tower of Cirith Ungol on streamingsoundtrack.com!

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Originally posted by Incanus:
Yet it still reads 6th of November on Amazon.uk and Amazon.de.

Oh well better not dwell on this.

-Mikko, trying to steer his thoughts away from RotK CR for few weeks-

[Message edited by Incanus on 10-16-2007]

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Originally posted by Thorf:
I can easily handle a release date change, as long as it's from official sources. Otherwise it's just hearsay.

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A bit of an insult, Thorf.

I am an official source for release dates, FYI.

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Originally posted by Strider1002:
I just recently realized we could buy soundtracks on here
It makes a lot of sense to me, for something this important, to buy from someone who deals exclusively in movie music, rather than some giant, faceless mega-chain store that won't even have it on the release date.

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I hear heavenly choirs....

o/~ o/~ o/~ o/~

Thanks for the realization!

You're right, small differences (less than 30 seconds) come from the PAL system.
I was more interested in the longer deviations.
But sometimes, a beautiful coda at the end of musical pieces make all the difference.

The Minas Morgul piece was always one of my favorites of the OST. It will be great to rediscover it listening to the CR.
I think it won't be uterly bad to discuss it...

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Originally posted by gkgyver:
I would really like to discuss the Minas Morgul sequence from "A Coronal Of Silver", but I fear some may rightfully complain about spoilers.

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Please talk about the music, it's what the thread is for.

This is the thread for discussing the music.

"A Coronal Of Silver", the Minas Morgul sequence to be precise, is heavily extended, as you may or may not know.
Music plays for the scene between Gandalf and Pippin in their dormitories, and also for the re-introduction of the Witch King, which segues right into the introduction of the dead city.
Now, for those who've heard it, do you think there are two alternate versions playing one after the other? It sounds like that to me because the first two bars are repeated verbatim.

FYI, Amazon pushed it back to November 13th.

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Originally posted by gkgyver:
Well, so be it then.

"A Coronal Of Silver", the Minas Morgul sequence to be precise, is heavily extended, as you may or may not know.
Music plays for the scene between Gandalf and Pippin in their dormitories, and also for the re-introduction of the Witch King, which segues right into the introduction of the dead city.
Now, for those who've heard it, do you think there are two alternate versions playing one after the other? It sounds like that to me because the first two bars are repeated verbatim.

FYI, Amazon pushed it back to November 13th.

[Message edited by gkgyver on 10-16-2007]

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Are you speaking of the "deep breath before the plunge" scene? If so, that scene in the film has an amazing sense of suspense, and I'm really interested to hear how Shore captured the scene with the music. How is it?

The unused Minas Morgul choir sings the Revelation of the Ringwraiths, by the way, just in a very hypnotic, luring, evil, almost demented way.

Generally, I'm surprised at the number of instances in which short, but poignant statements of the History of the Ring theme were cut out of the film; Minas Morgul (twice!), the transformation of Gollum, the Crack of Doom, the Crossroads scene ...

Doug, I don't know what you meant, but to me, the amount and importance (musically) of unused stuff in RotK by far surpasses TTT.

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Originally posted by PeterK:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by Thorf:
[b]I can easily handle a release date change, as long as it's from official sources. Otherwise it's just hearsay.<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

A bit of an insult, Thorf.

I am an official source for release dates, FYI.

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Sorry Peter! I didn't mean to say you weren't.

What I was really getting at though is that we're spoilt with information from someone "on the inside" - and you can't get a better source than that. But when he stays quiet on something like this it raises irrational fears. (Hmm, that sounds way too dramatic.) It would have been nice to hear it from Doug first, but I'm sure he has good reasons for not posting.

Anyway, I apologise if I offended you, Peter.

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Originally posted by gkgyver:
@ ThomasR

Out of curiosity, did you take your times off the PAL DVD? Because, you know, the PAL version is running faster, and that quickly adds up to half a minute.

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Let's just say that Doug likely has no inside knowledge on this tree you are barking up. Doug's job was to help make the product. Now that it's done, the responsibilities required to get it out there to the stores belong to someone else... in this case the record company's managers of manufacturing and inventory. God forbid if Doug is doing any of that! The label likely saw there was no way to get product manufactured and distributed by Nov 6, so they delayed the release date by a week.

Release dates are published to companies like mine who sell music so we can accurately provide this information to customers so they can set their expectation levels appropriately.

This is actually a post by PeterK. I was helping out Chenresi with her account and my computer stored the login in my computer! Gasp. Sorry about the confusions!!!

Or they could announce: "Will be in stores perhaps if the luck will hold in November, no later than December, that's the truth, honestly it is. Who am I kidding?! We don't know for sure!"

Anyway that new stuff in Minas Morgul scene sounds to be awesome! Nice that Shore got that Revelation of the Ringwraiths in there as I am a big fan of the Nazgûl music