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... But we should not abuse that generosity of spirit.

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I take both of your points.

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Originally posted by PeterK:
I would think for all the time he's spent here answering questions and interacting with you, and all the time Howard Shore's spent writing these scores, our discussion significantly turns to where we can get it for cheapest? I would think we'd be happy to pay even $100 for something like this, all things considered.

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Why would Doug or Howard be bothered by people looking for the best price?

why should someone who forked up around 75 bucks for three TTT CDs now have problems with paying 60- 70 bucks for four ROTK CDs?

I'd normally think twice about releases and the intentions behind them with that kind of price tag (think PotC), but in this case, you don't even need to think once.

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And boy would I love to see some discussion besides how much it costs and how many seconds are left.

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I think that's what got me thinking about my post about this whole "where can we find it cheapest" thing. And no, I don't intend to ruffle feathers or force anyone feel guilty about not buying it from here. People are free to do as they please, but there is something in what I posted that I'd consider. Money is just money.... you can't take that anywhere with you once you're dead. All you have left is your soul, and I'm a big thinker that subscribes to the notion that the music we listen to clearly shapes the health of our souls. All this talk of saving, what, $20 bucks... or even $50, is capitalistic and temporal, yes, but far from the true worth of things.

But for those who live oversea this is not the same thing : there are many parameters to expect and for me the goal is first to have it faster and with a no unreasonable price : $114 I can't it's 190% of 60$ .
and in the past years and this year the european sellers have delay their release, up the price or abandonned to sell it since the FOTR-CR.

And I can talk of this here in this forum, whatever MM think of this (In fact MM let his member talk of what they want even of the other sellers) because MM doesn't sell outside the USA in a normal way.

I'm really excited about the various statements of the "Nature's Reclamation" theme (which didn't appear on the OST at all). On this topic, the complete Pelennor Fields sequence is sure to be astounding.

Plus, just about every track heard on the OST had music missing, and it'll be awesome to finally hear the pieces in their entirety (Minas Morgul, Shelob's Lair and The Black Gate to name a few).

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Originally posted by *Tom*:
This may seem random, but what is everybody looking forward to most in this release?

On the subject of price, I'm surprised that it is as low as it is. I'm particularly grateful to whom ever decided that the price wouldn't increase from TTT (especially with the extra disc).

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It's true.
it's even cheaper of 1 dollars (more than 50 cents) :lol:

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Originally posted by *Tom*:
This may seem random, but what is everybody looking forward to most in this release?

I'm really excited about the various statements of the "Nature's Reclamation" theme (which didn't appear on the OST at all). On this topic, the complete Pelennor Fields sequence is sure to be astounding.

Plus, just about every track heard on the OST had music missing, and it'll be awesome to finally hear the pieces in their entirety (Minas Morgul, Shelob's Lair and The Black Gate to name a few).

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But in the film there is a cut for the lites of the beacon of Minas Tirith and for the rohirrims leaving Edoras.
Does the cut is still in the ROTK C.R?
Or there is another solution like to make a track for each part with maybe an edition for a best following between them and after listen the tracks as we want, Doug Adams?

And I submit my tracks list!!

1 THE GLADDEN FIELD
2 JOURNEY TO THE CROSSROAD
3 SARUMAN! YOUR STAFF IS BROKEN
4 THE CELEBRATION OF THE VICTORIOUS DEAD
5 THE SNEAKER AND THE STINKER
6 THE PALANTIR
7 THE LEAVING TO GONDOR
8 THE KING ELDARION (ARWEN'S VISION)
9 THE WHITE TOWER OF MINAS TIRITH
10 THE TOWERS OF MINAS MORGUL
11 OSGILIATH INVADED
12 THE BEACONS ARE LITES
13 ROHAN WILL ANSWER
14 THE LIGHT OF THE WHITE WIZARD
15 FARAMIR THE WISE
16 DENETHOR’S DEMAND (NO LOVE WITHOUT DEATH)
17 DUNHARROW
18 I DO NOT FEAR OF DEATHS
19 THE SWORD HAS BEEN REMADE
20 MORDOR AT WAR, DENETHOR DEPOSED
21 PREPARE FOR BATTLE
22 GUARD OF THE CITADEL
23 THE CAVERN OF CIRITH UNGOL
24 SHELOB
25 THE FAIR LADY TO BATTLE
26 THE HEAD'S WOLF OF FIRE THROUGH THE GATE
27 THE CHOICE OF SAMESAGACE
28 GONDOR ON THE PYRE OF THE ENEMIES
29 THE RIDE OF THE ROHIRRIMS
30 DENETHOR: MADNESS AND FALLS
31 THE CHARGE OF THE MUMAKILS
32 DEATH IS AN ANOTHER PATH
33 WIND OF THE SEA LIGHT OFF WAR
34 PELENNOR FIELD OF HONOUR
35 HEALINGS OF WAR AND REUNION OF HOBBITS
36 FRODO'S RESCUE
37 ARAGORN DECISION
38 TO THE BLACK GATE
39 GORGOROTH
40 THE EYE AND THE MOUTH OF SAURON
41 MORDOR UNLEASHED
42 THE SLOPES OF MOUNT DOOM
43 THE WARS OF THE RING
44 THE RING IS MINE
45 THE FALL OF BARAD DUR
46 SAVED FROM MORDOR
47 FELLOWSHIP’S REUNION
48 ARAGORN KING
49 RETURN TO THE SHIRE
50 THE PRICE OF THE QUEST
51 BILBO’S LAST JOURNEY
52 GREY SHIPS TO WHITE SHORES

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For me, it's the opposite. I suppose that Return of the King has always been my favourite of the three original soundtrack CDs - although of course I love them all for different reasons too. As such, I'm even more excited this year than I was last year. But far from abstaining, I have been listening to the OST more and more the past few weeks: partly so I can try to imagine how great it's going to be to hear the full album (although frankly I can't imagine), and partly to make sure I'm completely familiar with the original CD, so that I can hear what the "new" music is easily. (Actually I'm sure I already know it well enough, so maybe that's just an excuse after all!)

It's hard for me to say what parts I'm most looking forward to, because I don't watch the films often (two or three times at the movies and twice for each extended DVD so far), so I'm not really familiar with the music other than the soundtrack CDs. (I don't want to overwatch the films and lose their emotional impact...)

But at a guess:

- The lighting of the beacons scene.

- The whole Pelennor Fields suite.

- Everything with Gollum, from the alternate beginning music (which I'm glad they faded out of the film but want to hear nonetheless) to his appearances with the hobbits and final doom. I love Gollum's themes and the History of the Ring theme!

- Minas Morgul. Again I'm not sure if there is anything new, though.

- The whole ending in its entirety. I'm sure there must be new bits in here somewhere, and I'm looking forward to hearing it all in proper sequence.

- The extra songs from the fan club credits. This is perhaps the part I'm least familiar with of all the movies.

It seems my over-riding theme is that I just don't know where the "new" music is going to come in - but then that makes it even more exciting.

Thorf

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Just the topic I was going to bring up today.

The first bit that jumps to mind is the entire Shelob's Lair sequence (what can I say... I'm an avant-garde freak!).

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PS - On another note, they finally added it to Amazon.co.jp. I would love to have been able to support this site by buying it from Peter, but it simply was not an option due to my location. Sorry Peter!

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JAPAN CR-TROTK : 8554 JPY = $72.88 = £35/51€

A lot of this is available elsewhere, especially from the Battle For Middle-earth soundtrack. But it will be nice to get it in a complete suite of everything else.

The Charge of the Rohirrim (which is perhaps the number one request of people on other boards).

The Death of Theoden.

The sung Fellowship that I've wanted since my first viewing of ROTK.

It may be hard to improve on the OST's track, Return of the King.... it's pretty inclusive. But if they did, that could push me over the edge in bliss.

I'm interested to see what they do with Sissel's song. Where will it go. There was discussion of Use Well the Days. Would that make it into the CR or wait for the rarities disc. If it's in the CR how will they place it? And Bilbo's Song... Do they tack that on after the 'finale' music or put it somewhere else or put it on the rarities disc?

And what strikes me with each CR release is music I, all of a sudden, pay attention to. What is that? I ask. I usually find it's been there all along but action or dialog on screen has kept it from gaining my attention. I love finding those new treasures.

One of the things I had forgotten about is the restoration of the Seduction Of The Ring theme in the Mt. Doom sequence. Should be great! There's also mention of a secondary Ringwraiths theme which should make an appearance.

I'm also looking forward to the Pelennor Fields, the Shelob piece, and the beautiful end-credits material.

Links: TTT:CR FSM podcast 1 and 2.

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I'm interested to see what they do with Sissel's song. Where will it go. There was discussion of Use Well the Days. Would that make it into the CR or wait for the rarities disc. If it's in the CR how will they place it? And Bilbo's Song... Do they tack that on after the 'finale' music or put it somewhere else or put it on the rarities disc?

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If I remember correctly, Doug promised some time ago that Use Well the Days will be on the CR for sure.
And yes, I'm also interested in the very last hour of music in the ROTK CR, it must be full of astounding moments!

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If I remember correctly, Doug promised some time ago that Use Well the Days will be on the CR for sure.

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The rarities disc is looking quite, quite full right now… There’s just a mountain of material we proposing for this. As is pointed out below, the fan credits are already out there in the world… in good sound to boot. It’s probably unlikely that we’ll be able to / inclined to dedicate disc space to something that’s essentially a redundant presentation. However, pieces such as Sissel’s song, Bilbo’s Song, which only appear in the fan scroll music will certainly need to be presented. (As will Use Well The Days, as Magpie adroitly notes.)

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To be honest, I'm not sure how well Use Well the Days fits on the CR-FOTR. Or, for that matter, Bilbo's Song. What I mean is, the thing I love most about any well produced soundtrack is: it creates an emotional arc. It tells an aural story that follows a well told (one hopes) visual story. The story of LOTR moves from the despair of the Crack of Doom, to the eucatastrophe of the eagles, to the relief of Ithilien, to the triumph of the coronation, to the poignant return to the Shire, to the goodbyes of the Grey Havens, and the final End of Sam's return. (I get chills just thinking about this... honest) Into the West is worked into that arc with a choice of two final endings... the one found on the OST and the one heard in the movie.

I liked the way Use Well The Days was presented on the extra DVD with those very poignant visuals. There's this silence as a few lines of text introduces you to the song and then it begins. It draws you in very well and in my little mind, I'm imagining the music presented on the rarities/multimedia discs in much the same way (though I'm sure I'll be bowled over by what they come up with if Doug's enthusiasm is any indication of what we're gonna get )

On the other hand, concerning Bilbo's Song, I'd MUCH RATHER PREFER that they present it on The Hobbit: The Complete Recordings

I want that music... (although I do have it pulled from the movie).<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think at this time you should stay in the theatre and sing the song "into the West"
The Lyrics of this song are easy to determine by you're own ears and to learn I think !!

but maybe you were afraid about you're voice seeming to the bird of whom you bear the name !!

(it"s what i did one or two time among my five seeing of the ROTK)

Dambedir aka Minasmorgul

I agreed to host his work on my site and the master page can be found here:
http://www.geocities.com/magpie930/MISC_PAGES/TRouiller/ROTKmovieanalysis.htm

The author, Thomas, has registered as a forum member and should post here soon. I've delayed getting this up as I worked on other things on my site but if I don't get it up soon, it won't be of much us to anyone. For the moment, it's not properly linked into the navigation of my site but, through that url above and the use of your back button, you should be fine for the moment.

Thomas also hasn't had a chance to proof this page since it's gone up so I hope there are no glaring errors on my part.

Questions regarding the content should be directed to Thomas, who... as I said.. should be by shortly. Issues with web/html can be directed privately to me.

I hope really for a scene will come to be on screen that is Gandalf against Sauron at Dol Guldur. Legolas and Gimli as neighbour of Mirkwood and Aragorn as a friend of Gandalf are there and made an appearances. with the décor disigned by Allan Lee or John Howe and of course with the Music of HOWARD SHORE !

Thus a lot of those who deserve to be brought up to the World of Tolkien will be there and gathered. (it's impossible they have all the actors of the LOTR in The HOBBIT. it's a pity that Miranda Otto shouldn't be in the Movies)

It's impossible that Legolas won't be in the Hobbit a lot of girls of my country who often said "Legolas il est trop beau" = "Legolas he is so much beautifull" will be disappointed.

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The Fourth Age of Gondor theme IS meant to play under the fall of the tower. It is supposed to be there. However, the version you hear in the film IS tracked in… [...] There is, however, a setting of this theme used in Shore’s original composition, a setting you’ve not heard before. It’s not radically different, compositionally, but the music moves in and out of the theme much more gracefully. [...]As those of you inclined to create homemade isolated scores will discover, Shore’s composition fits perfectly. Gloriously, even.

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This scene was always on my mind since then and I'm looking forward to it most!

-Sabsi, still abstaining from listening to RotK (although I have to admit, that I listened to 'Twilight And Shadow' once...)

In retrospect, I acknowledge that my post about "my conditions" for shopping here couldn't have come with the appropriate bit of humour I honestly intended to come with it. I really should have asked Mr Kelly to which conditions he could agree and to which he couldn't. And I should not have done it in such a flagrantly pompous way. Again, I must apologize for my insolence.

I haven't placed any order or pre-order yet. Anywhere. Maybe I'll wait until a few days before Christmas, because that is the earliest time I can and want to listen to it, not in the weeks of desperately trying to finish my thesis when I most certainly won't be able to enjoy the music.

Do I want to support Mr Kelly and his site by shopping here? Absolutely, and the same goes for Intrada, FSM and SAE. And whenever possible, I will do so.

However, and this obviously counts quite a lot for me, I am still a student (approaching the end of it, thank God!). I have, on average, around $150 a month for food, bus tickets and sundry expenses (rent not included). At the moment, RotK:CR costs about $68 from Amazon.de. I get more or less the same deal for the same price from Moviemusic.com, IF the thing goes through German customs unnoted. Which it usually does, if it's declared as a gift under customs value (around $30, I think).

Should it, however, get caught by Customs, they will open it, see the invoice, and apply 19% VAT + about 5% customs tax on it. This would put it somewhere between $85 and $90, and as such, more expensive than I willing to pay.

You may think that $20 this way or that don't matter, but I most certainly do. Mr Kelly apparently think along the same lines, so I definitely understand why he'd rather not do this. And I just as well understand his righteous frustration at people, including me, discussing to shop at another place.

Trying to get the cheapest deal and trying to save money are, for me at least, two different pairs of shoes. If you wanna "mark" me for this (for lack of a better term), feel free to do so.

Right, back to my papers and work, which is more important even than RotK:CR at the moment.

-Sabsi, still abstaining from listening to RotK (although I have to admit, that I listened to 'Twilight And Shadow' once...)

NP: FR-CR [/B]<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Sing of Renée Flemming in the Futur ROTK-CR is the Jewel of this set. is there something from her in it we aren't already hear, Doug Adams ?

She was born in a 14th February like me ! that is the Lover's day in my Country (La Saint valentin) I love her... (from afar of Course)

She was at the French TV before summer
and there were some extracts of her singing while her opera. I think before she has always this grave tone in her voice and found that her voice had a normal balance for a women. In the ROTK she sing a song while the coronation of Aragorn, that is the same in the FOTR (GIVE UP TO THE HALFLING) but sung by a other singer with almost an adolescent voice. I find that if the voices of Renée Fleming have been choseen like this, is to show the new maturity of Arwen*. And if for the eagles or for gollum triumphing with the ring the voice is the same it was for the unity of the whole performance or/and they think this voice fit perfectly in the world of the movie (it's what I think)

*The voices for the Gilraen's Song have almost the same tone: this is maybe the source of this fact

Do you agree with me Doug ?

Is Bob Swayed? Jackson Directed "The Hobbit" Soon To Be Announced

Keep your fingers crossed...

A great car to reach the ROTK CR
7 (like the 7 dwarves) friends who want the ROTK CR
and you send me a 500€ note

I am able to sell you the Returrrn of the very King Aragorn- THE ALL COMPLETE MODERN RECORDINGS. From the movie THE FAMOUS LORD OF THE BEAUTIFULL RINGS !!!!

FOR ONLY 57€ each instead the 60€ of amazon.de

one for me (on my white throne)
one for you ( under the sky i design to you)
and 7 for the 7 (like the dwarves)( in their home of stones)

are you okay ??? ami

The Charge of the Rohirrim (no surprise there)
The Houses of Healing

When I bought the ROTK:OST I fully expected the music from Charge of the Rohirrim to be on it. It seemed like a logical thing to have such an important piece on the OST because it's a major part of the story arc of cooperation between the kingdoms of Gondor and Rohan. Especially after having heard the music for The Lighting of the Beacons, The Charge is the logical conclusion to this part of the story and it was terribly disappointing when it was nowhere to be found on the OST.

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To be honest, I'm not sure how well Use Well the Days fits on the CR-FOTR. Or, for that matter, Bilbo's Song. What I mean is, the thing I love most about any well produced soundtrack is: it creates an emotional arc. It tells an aural story that follows a well told (one hopes) visual story. The story of LOTR moves from the despair of the Crack of Doom, to the eucatastrophe of the eagles, to the relief of Ithilien, to the triumph of the coronation, to the poignant return to the Shire, to the goodbyes of the Grey Havens, and the final End of Sam's return. (I get chills just thinking about this... honest) Into the West is worked into that arc with a choice of two final endings... the one found on the OST and the one heard in the movie.

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This post only serves as an introduction but I intend to place some comments later...
I am new member but in fact it's been months that I read your discussions about Mr. Shore's Great Contribution to filmmusic.
I must say that your forum is one of the most interesting I have ever read. And the developpements here are intelligent, constructive and very positive.

I have also to say that I have been in contact with Earl and Magpie for a couple of weeks now and that they were really kind and welcoming. We were discussing about the work I have done following the release of TTT:CR and concerning the upcoming release of ROTK:CR which we are all waiting. I wanted to share my small contribution with you all and discuss about it. Thanks to Magpie, it is now possible. Don't hesitate to comment on it.
That work is specifically an analysis of the music within the movie, how the themes match the action. My intention was also to have a measurement of the duration of the soundtrack and the gaps between music cues as well.

Recently, I have been very much pleased to hear a short excerpt of ROTK:CR in the podcast. I guessed rightly that at the end of this sequence (the Departure from Edoras sequence, which I called "Oaths to fulfill"), the track should end, although in the film, it merges with the "Retreat from Osgiliath." That may promise a slighly longer version of that piece...

That's it for now. I have got to go to work. It is 9 AM here in France.

I can't put a full stop to this post without saying that music has no border and that I am really thankful for the work initiated by Mr. Jackson, Mr. Shore, Mr. Adams and continued by so many folks around the world today.

I'll just say "Au revoir." Talk to you very soon.

To Mr Kelly: $20 these days equal about 4 days of food for me... Sounds dramatic, but in reality is just quite boring.

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Anyhoo...The Hobbit seems to be getting more real by the day, which is just cool beans.

Music I'm looking forward to (five pieces, ranked):

-For Frodo (it would appear that Mr Shore remembered my asking him if we'd get a fully fledged choral reading of the Fellowship theme in RotK)

-The Horns of Rohan (even after having listened to the piece like 2000 times, I still get scoregasms from it!)

-"They Called Us Out to Fight" (sequence at the end of DVD 1, with Gandalf in full-battle mode,; there's some superb lower brass work)

-the complete Battle of Osgiliath sequence

-the Wagner tribute at the end, this time swelling to a glorious finish instead of quietly sailing away as on the OST

CK

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I won't !
There is no need. it's only a joke
and there is enough of useless posts about the price of the ROTK-CR. because I've done one post on this subject was enought to those who want understand.
And for My joke I think it was clear that is a joke. I don't think there is enough trust on a forum for someone send money to an other: not Only between a pseudonym to a pseudonym . Only a real sellers market as a professional is able to do it.

At this subject:
Are there still some websites gathering many buyer on one item to down the price ?

And few favourite moments which I am most anxious to hear on the CR (in no particular order):

1)Nature's Reclamation in its various guises (The Rohirrim ride from Edoras, The Charge of the Rohirrim, "The Eagles Are Coming!"
2)The Mount Doom/Black Gate/Destruction of the Ring sequence: Pure choral and orchestral bliss.Everyone's favourite
3)Pelennor Fields/Eowyn VS the Witch King
4)The Mordor theme in its full dark glory!
And the brilliant juxtaposition of the good and evil themes throughout the score.

1. Roots And Beginnings
2. Journey To The Cross-roads
3. The Road To Isengard
4. The Foot Of Orthanc
5. Return To Edoras
6. The Chalice Passed
7. The Green Dragon [Featuring Billy
8. Gollums Villainy
9. ÉOwyns Dream
10. The PalantÍr
11. Flight From Edoras
12. The Grace Of UndÓmiel [Featuring R
13. The Eyes Of The White Tower
14. A Coronal Of Silver And Gold
15. The Lighting Of The Beacons
16. Osgiliath Invaded [Featuring Ben D
17. The Stairs Of Cirith Ungol
18. Allegiance To Denethor
19. The Sacrifice Of Faramir [Featurin
20. The Parting Of Sam And Frodo
21. Marshalling At Dunharrow
22. AndÚril - Flame Of The West
23. The Passing Of The Grey Company
24. Dwimorberg - The Haunted Mountain
25. Master Meriadoc, Swordthain
26. The Paths Of The Dead
27. The Siege Of Gondor
28. Shelobs Lair
29. Merrys Simple Courage
30. Grond - The Hammer Of The Underwor
31. Shelob The Great
32. The Tomb Of The Stewards
33. The Battle Of The Pelennor Fields
34. The Pyre Of Denethor
35. The MÛmakil
36. Dernhelm In Battle
37. A Far Green Country
38. Shieldmaiden Of Rohan
39. The Passing Of ThÉoden
40. The Houses Of Healing [Featuring L
41. The Tower Of Cirith Ungol
42. The Last Debate [Featuring Sissel
43. The Land Of Shadow
44. The Mouth Of Sauron [Featuring Sir
45. For Frodo [Featuring Ben Del Maest
46. Mount Doom [Featuring RenÉe Flemin
47. The Crack Of Doom
48. The Eagles [Featuring RenÉe Flemin
49. The Fellowship Reunited [Featuring
50. The Journey To The Grey Havens [Fe
51. Elanor [Featuring Sir James Galway
52. Days Of The Ring [Featuring Annie
53. Bilbos Song

(Yeah, I'm the first! )