-Sabsi

NP: Bilbo's Song (couldn't resist *sigh*)

Here we go:
Disc 1:
1. Roots and Beginnings 6:31
2. Journey to the Crossroads 2:17
3. The Road to Isengard 2:18
4. The Foot of Orthanc 4:45
5. Return to Edoras 1:51
6. The Chalice Passed 1:51
7. The Green Dragon (feat. Billy Boyd & Dominic Monaghan) 0:35
8. Gollum's Villainy 2:10
9. Éowyn's Dream 1:24
10. The Palantir 3:10
11. Flight from Edoras 2:18
12. The Grace of Undómiel (feat. Renée Fleming) 6:21
13. The Eyes of the White Tower 4:34
14. A Coronet of Silver 8:27
15. The Lighting of the Beacon 9:03
Disc Time: 57:35

Disc 2:
1. Osgilliath Invaded (feat. Ben Del Maestro) 8:47
2. The Stairs of Cirith Ungol 2:41
3. Allegiance to Denethor 3:20
4. The Sacrifice of Faramir (feat. Billy Boyd) 4:08
5. The Parting of Sam and Frodo 4:04
6. Marshalling at Dunharrow 4:57
7. Andúril - Flame of the West 3:28
8. The Passing of the Grey Company 4:12
9. Dwimorberg - The Haunted Mountain 2:26
10. Master Meriadoc, Swordthain 1:40
11. The Paths of the Dead 6:22
12. The Siege of Gondor 9:01
13. Shelob's Lair 8:53
14. Merry's Simple Courage 2:09
Disc Time: 66:08

Disc 3:
1. Grond - The Hammer of the Underworld 1:33
2. Shelob the Great 5:13
3. The Tomb of the Stewards 3:58
4. The Battle of the Pelennor Fields 4:10
5. The Pyre of Denethor 2:59
6. The Mûmakil 0:57
7. Dernhelm in Battle 2:06
8. "A Far Green Country" 1:28
9. Shieldmaiden of Rohan 5:07
10. The Passing of Théoden 2:16
11. The Houses of Healing (feat. Liv Tyler) 2:58
12. The Tower of Cirith Ungol 4:41
13. The Last Debate (feat. Sissel) 4:21
14. The Land of Shadow 6:30
15. The Mouth of Sauron 8:15
16. "For Frodo" 3:17
Disc Time: 59:49

Disc 4:
1. Mount Doom (feat. Renée Fleming) 4:09
2. The Crack of Doom 4:02
3. The Eagles (feat. Renée Fleming) 2:24
4. The Fellowship Reunited (feat. Sir James Galway & Viggo Mortensen) 12:18
5. The Journey to the Grey Havens (feat. Sir James Galway) 7:35
6. Elanor (feat. Sir James Galway) 1:28
7. Days of the Ring (feat. Annie Lennox) 11:10
8. Bilbo's Song 2:57
Disc Time: 46:03
Total Album Time: 229:35

However, with Sabsi being from Austria (*must*NOT*say*anything*), Munich in March might actually be a good opportunity to meet up. I still have to make Georg see the glory that is Doyle's HP4!

As far as I'm concerned, even Ottfried Fischer has more expression than Doyle's wretched effort

EDIT: Good god, almost overlooked the Soundtrack.net tracklist!

There are a few odd choices, as far as I can tell from the timings. "A Coronet Of Silver" for instance, does that include everything, the Crowned King and Minas Morgul? Does that make for a coherent listen? With over 8 minutes, there seems to be some unused material in there.

So, according to this list, the sequence where Gandalf saves Faramir at his arrival in Minas Tirith is not on there. Doesn't that contradict Doug? He said we would get both. Or was that referring to that "future release"?
But it seems as if the album does not intercut the beacon lighting and OSgiliath. Good choice!
Also, I can't quite pinpoint "Allegiance To Denethor". This would include Pippin's oath, and his prior encounter with faramir, but does that account for over three minutes?

And boy, oh boy, "Siege Of Gondor" is going to be one awesome piece of music!

Some random thoughts:
Does "The Tomb Of The Stewards" contain unused music? Seems a little long.
So, "The Battle Of The Pelennor Fields" is the charge of the Rohirrim.
"The Mumakil" and "Dernhelm In Battle" should have been one track.

"Days Of The Ring" (Doug, are you sure this isn't a typo?) is indeed pretty long. I just hope this isn't merely an edit of score pieces, revolving around "Into The West".

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Originally posted by Earl:
Something I thought the members of this board might find interesting over at tolkienlibrary.com
http://www.tolkienlibrary.com/press/Projecting_Tolkien_Musical_Worlds.php

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This is apparently somebody's college thesis translated into book form so the author can earn a little bonus for his efforts (VDM Publishing is set up for this kind of thing). I will only note that: (a) from the cover alone, the book is probably engaged in multiple copyright violations; (b) $54 is an awful lot of money for a 92-page paperback; (c) The musical example shown is both inaccurately transcribed and none of it is by Howard Shore; (d) I have no idea of professor Philip Tagg's credentials (never heard of "musemes"), but his website, linked to on the TolkienLibrary site, is an unholy mess.

01:49:58 "Into The West" 1 the proper song 4.23
01:54:21 FELLOWSHIP REUNITED THEME (REPRISE OF THE TRACK WITH SPECIAL INSTRUMENT AT THE BEGINNINGS*,UNTIL THE DEBUT OF THE CORONATION'S CHANT (without Lyrics) 1:55
01:56:16 TWILIGH AND SHADOW same As OST FOR THE BEGININGS 00:02:29
01:58:45 "Into The West" 2 the end of the OST 00:01:07
01:59:52 A little bit of the MUSIC OVER THE FANS CREDIT** 00:00:35
02:00:27 end

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* THE FELLOWSHIP MAIN THEME OR A FOLLOWING OF IT.
** Maybe a Sequence Before is Shortened because the whole music part at the beginnings of the FC is 1:19 (the ride of EOWYN/LEGOLAS ??). Maybe it's TWILIGH AND SHADOW, The end is the same, I think, there must be in "The Grace Of undomiel" Or this is the sequence before* or both

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Originally posted by Wedge:
(a) from the cover alone, the book is probably engaged in multiple copyright violations; (b) $54 is an awful lot of money for a 92-page paperback

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(a) Why is the cover a copyright violation? I took a similar picture in Matamata and I bet, the cover is a picture the author took there. Correct me if I'm wrong, but using a picutre you took yourself (if there is no ban of taking pictures) is not a copyright violation, is it??

(b) I totally agree! Far too expensive for a book about Shore's score that wasn't written by Doug

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I'm really curious about "Days of the Ring"...what else could be on there for it to be 11 min. long?! Do you think they're including both of Annie's songs in that track?

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I took another break from abstaining from listening to RotK and listend to the credits.
They are about 11 minutes long (as Dambedir pointed out already), so I think it will be 'an edit of score pieces', like it was in 'The Road Goes Ever On pt.2' and 'Long Ways To Go Yet' (which is also more than 8 minutes long!). I see no reason for that to be different here.

I really like Use Well the Days, but I don't think it would feel 'right', if it was included after Into the West.

I just linked to it since it seemed that Shore's score for LOTR seems to be gaining in popularity and I know people who'd read anything to do with it

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Originally posted by Earl:
Speaking of "The Book"... where's Doug??

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Since you've repeatedly referred to the rarities disc(s) that will presumably come with your book as a multimedia project, might I suggest you include a guide to the themes. If it's a DVD, you could put together a very nice guide including musical notation as well as examples of the theme (preferably in and out of context!), and commentary - which you could even give us in video form, depending on how "multimedia" this project is.

In any case, the basic idea is to give us an introduction to the themes of Shore's Middle-earth, which listeners could go back to as necessary and effectively use to better appreciate (and study!) this wonderful music.

I have been trying to do something similar for myself, by snipping the themes out of the soundtrack and making tiny MP3s of them - which I refer to often while listening to check that I am hearing the theme I think I'm hearing. But I don't think I'm alone in thinking this would be appreciated by a lot of people who love these scores. (Though please correct me if I'm wrong here, everyone!)

These are the forlorn-sounding horns, no? I think this short sequence, which I adore, is far closer to Evil Times than the Fellowship Theme.

Again, I cannot check this, so...

CK

I just have to find out how to buy my ticket here, I have to admit, it's a bit confusing - and my swedish is quite poor.

(You can convert the site to English, by the way...at the bottom, in the centre.)

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Originally posted by dambedir:
I know that Howard shore was inspired by the music of the 19th Century to make the LOTR'S MUSIC (The Movies).

One of the thing that happened in this century is a divergence between those who make allegiance to the music with program as [b]Litz (the father of the Richard Wagners wife's) and other have remaind classical in the line of Chopin who was great (and still he is of course) at the beggining of the 19TH Century. while some as Berlioz are famous without really taking part to this war between modern and classical musicians.

There is also an Opera than I can't do not quote it's "LAKHME" from LEO DELIBES. When I hear Nathalie Dessay singing the song "LES CLOCHETTES" I can't stop myself thinking that a day TOLKIEN see and hear this Opera and was inspired of it to assign at Luthien a really great voice and skill to sing.

And to finish I think that averybody loving soundtrack know "Also sprach Zarathustra" from Richard Strauss a musician who have won (I have read) to reconcile the fracture there was between the modern and the classical.

(An other Strauss is in the music of the LOTR that is at the end of the Track "The Wolf of Isendarg" that is seeming with something like Aragorn dancing and Waltzing with a Wolf of Isengard. that belong from the 18th century and are ispired from Johann Strauss and his son (they are not in the same family with richard strauss). and I like that)

My question is how the LOTR'S music can be placed into this facts of the history of the music. is it taking part to a side or an another. (what's music with program really ?). Are there something totaly modern to your view in this music. there is something from the 20th or 21th century ?

This is a question for Doug Adams

[Message edited by dambedir on 10-11-2007][/B]

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Interesting that you should bring this up. I was just thinking along these lines today. I think much of the music in these scores is inspired by nineteenth century Romanticism. It's appropriate too because the author of the books was a traditionalist in many ways. The tone and style of the story is more "romantic" than most books written during his lifetime. In fact, I believe that Tom Shipley called it a work in the High-Mimetic style which is similar to Romance. So Shore's Romantic style for the scores is spot on.

However I believe that there are some obvious modern things that have been incorporated into the scores which make them richer and grounded in what seems like the real world. Like using authentic instruments to give some of the ethnic sounding themes a more authentic feel such as the Norwegian fiddle to signal the Rohan cultural sound or the hammered dulcimer for the hobbits. Perhaps there were some nineteenth century composers that used that technique but if so I'm not aware of it.

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Originally posted by gkgyver:

As brilliant and breathtaking as the LotR scores are, the end credits have always been weak spot. Despite Annie Lennox' song and the gorgeous opening, I found ROTK's credits to be the weakest of the series.

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I agree. Personally I think that TTT:CR has the best end credits music. My favorite is FOTR.

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Originally posted by gkgyver:
Yes, I fear you're right. The only difference is that the finales of FOTR and TTT were edited exclusively for the CRs (although I'm not entirely sure about TTT).
I had hoped for something similar here.

As brilliant and breathtaking as the LotR scores are, the end credits have always been weak spot. Despite Annie Lennox' song and the gorgeous opening, I found ROTK's credits to be the weakest of the series.

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Originally posted by Christian Kühn:
Out of curiosity...why are you going to seemingly every Symphony you can?

(You can convert the site to English, by the way...at the bottom, in the centre.)

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Good question! My family/friends asked it a hundred times, but I really don't know the answer. It's an addiction, I think. I just can't get enough of hearing this awesome music performed live. Every Symphony is different, since it's an other orchestra/choir that performs.
And Stockholm is something special - believe it or not, I've never been to a Symphony conducted by the Maestro himself (apart from the 'Symphonic Suite from FotR' he conducted in Lucerne).

I know I can convert the site to english, but the part about how to buy the tickets remains swedish. There's a link to a site on which you can buy tickets, but I can't find the Symphony there.
Where there's a will there is a way - if there's no other way, I'll call the ticket office in Stockholm...

-Sabsi, who knows she has completely lost it

NP: The Fly

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Do you mean that the quality of the writing itself is weak? Or is it that much of the end credits is merely an edit of several musical moments?

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They could have EASILY done:

Disc 1:
1. Roots and Beginnings 6:31
2. Journey to the Crossroads 2:17
3. The Road to Isengard 2:18
4. The Foot of Orthanc 4:45
5. Return to Edoras 1:51
6. The Chalice Passed 1:51
7. The Green Dragon (feat. Billy Boyd & Dominic Monaghan) 0:35
8. Gollum's Villainy 2:10
9. Éowyn's Dream 1:24
10. The Palantir 3:10
11. Flight from Edoras 2:18
12. The Grace of Undómiel (feat. Renée Fleming) 6:21
13. The Eyes of the White Tower 4:34
14. A Coronet of Silver 8:27
15. The Lighting of the Beacon 9:03
16. Osgilliath Invaded (feat. Ben Del Maestro) 8:47
17. The Stairs of Cirith Ungol 2:41
18. Allegiance to Denethor 3:20
19. The Sacrifice of Faramir (feat. Billy Boyd) 4:08
Disc Time: 76:31

Disc 2:
1. The Parting of Sam and Frodo 4:04
2. Marshalling at Dunharrow 4:57
3. Andúril - Flame of the West 3:28
4. The Passing of the Grey Company 4:12
5. Dwimorberg - The Haunted Mountain 2:26
6. Master Meriadoc, Swordthain 1:40
7. The Paths of the Dead 6:22
8. The Siege of Gondor 9:01
9. Shelob's Lair 8:53
10. Merry's Simple Courage 2:09
11. Grond - The Hammer of the Underworld 1:33
12. Shelob the Great 5:13
13. The Tomb of the Stewards 3:58
14. The Battle of the Pelennor Fields 4:10
15. The Pyre of Denethor 2:59
16. The Mûmakil 0:57
17. Dernhelm in Battle 2:06
18. "A Far Green Country" 1:28
19. Shieldmaiden of Rohan 5:07
20. The Passing of Théoden 2:16
Disc Time: 76:59

Disc 3:
1. The Houses of Healing (feat. Liv Tyler) 2:58
2. The Tower of Cirith Ungol 4:41
3. The Last Debate (feat. Sissel) 4:21
4. The Land of Shadow 6:30
5. The Mouth of Sauron 8:15
6. "For Frodo" 3:17
7. Mount Doom (feat. Renée Fleming) 4:09
8. The Crack of Doom 4:02
9. The Eagles (feat. Renée Fleming) 2:24
10. The Fellowship Reunited (feat. Sir James Galway & Viggo Mortensen) 12:18
11. The Journey to the Grey Havens (feat. Sir James Galway) 7:35
12. Elanor (feat. Sir James Galway) 1:28
13. Days of the Ring (feat. Annie Lennox) 11:10
14. Bilbo's Song 2:57
Disc Time: 76:03

Total Album Time: 229:35

"The four-discs here are entirely dedicated to the ROTK score… four discs were necessary because of the length of tracks and the placement of “act” breaks. The parties making the four-disc decision and the parties making the cost decisions are, in fact, entirely separate entities."

In reality, there is no issue at all. I mulled over it for a while, but now I know that the cost is on par with the previous two, I really couldn't care less that there is a (purely technically) unnecessary disc.

On another note, after reading down those track times, I'm now starting to get impatient for the 6th. The Shelob sequence clocks in at nearly 15 minutes!! Oh, the joy! (I know, I'm pathetic for paying attention to only the Shelob scene, but.......)

P.S. This thread is growing, I believe, faster than ever in 'LOTR Package Update' history. It took me sooo long to catch up.

The LotR-Symphony is coming to Stockholm (Sweden) - with HOWARD SHORE CONDUCTING

I just have to find out how to buy my ticket here, I have to admit, it's a bit confusing - and my swedish is quite poor.

Anyone speaking swedish??<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! I almost start to cry now! I live in Stockholm, if I miss this I will kill myself! :-D

Edit: It seems that you can't buy a ticket yet, I will check with Konserthuset today.

There is too from the 20th Century the "Sprechgesang" in the Dead's Marches from Arnold Schonberg.

but not so :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engelbert_Humperdinck

And I have a question !
does the "Sprechgesang" Can include in its concept a Weird Syntax or a Game with the Words and the sentences.

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Also !!:

This could be !!

"The Lord of the Rings - The War Of the Ring - The Complete Recordings"

WotR-CR

Tolkien Wanted this title instead of "The Return Of the King" bcause ROTK is a Spoiler in fact.

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There is in the Tracklist with Times : A title : " A coronet of Silver" but on Amazon.de this is "A Coronal Of Silver and Gold" ! who Have Right.... Doug ?

I prefer the Seconde Of course.
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Ten disc it's better for the organisation. A too long tracklist is able to be afraiding for a simple buyer and it's better for those who work on the Music. And it's better than Nine. one disc for each Nazgûl....

Although...

Dambedir aka Minasmorgul

[Message edited by dambedir on 10-13-2007]

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Originally posted by gkgyver:
You're forgetting the epilogue with Sam's "Well, I'm back!"

Dude, that's how the book ends, and many many fans prayed that the movie would include it, how can you forget that?

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Dude, that's how the book ends, and many many fans prayed that the movie would include it, how can you forget that?<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>
Doh! You're right, how in the world could I forget that. The perfect ending to a 12 hour cinematic journey. Guess I wasn't thinking straight, plus as far as the movies go Elanor's name wasn't spoken (I don't think) so, it through me for a loop.[/B]<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well Glamdring was not mentioned in the films and it still is the name of the first track of TTT CR. I think Shore is doing a great job with naming the tracks. They are not just for the fans of the films but also for the fans of the books.

The Coronal of Silver and Gold is another great example of Tolkienesque track title. That refers to the scene in the book (and in the film) where Frodo, Sam and Gollum see the statue of the fallen king at the Cross Roads and the wild flowers forming a crown on the head of the king like a "coronal of silver and gold".

And regarding the division of music on 4 discs. For me the number of discs is of no consequence as long as all the music is there and the price does not climb sky high (which it doesn't).

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Yes excatly ! And we have even one Track in the FOTR OST for only (almost) the fist page with the Madfull Prophecy Of Sauron... One ring to rules them all...
Even If the most part is not in the movies* (excepted "Tercano nuruva" in FOTR and TTT) The title is on Disc. in the First place.

Who Know the History of this track? I ask like that because it's maybe a question that has been already in discution with Doug or long ago elucidated. if it is not the case this A question for Doug Adams.

hum!

There is maybe a litle awkwardness* with the title: "the Prophecy". As it is the first track of all they were done for the OST maybe some have understood that the Whole history of the LOTR is like a prophecy. this not the case to My view. The prophecy are often used to explain a laborious history and Tolkien doesn't deserve we think he have used of this facily.

in few word the title and chapter where the madfull prophecy of sauron appear in the text is called "The Shadow of the Past" it's a better definition of the whole history. it's like a former plague who was asleep and is at this time awaked and falling on all the middle earth and especialy on the shire, on one Hobbit : Frodo.

I think (I know) this title it's only for the first page (only Sauron have tried to do a prophecy) and if the title must be a generic of all. the title "Sauron curse", "Sauron's curse", "sauron's Malediction" ect. was much fiting this way. if he wanted it

*I am french and the word "awkwardness" could not be excatly what I think in the level of signification, I am afraid about a too Hight level and understanding in the general field of application of this word !!!

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