The OST track called Prophecy is an alternate take on the Prologue when the film makers had a shorter introduction to the film. After this shorter approach was discarded in favour of the longer more elaborate beginning Shore composed a new piece which is what we hear in the film and on the CR. As the soundtrack release was already locked at the time of this change the Prophecy stayed on the OST.

Doug Adams mentions this in the FotR Annotated Score which can be found in PDF format on the soundtrack's site.

The text begins
"Listen! It speaks to those who were not born to die." and then follows the Verse of the Ring/Ring spell. It would be interesting to see the shorter Prologue to see what images the Prophecy was composed to.

The first line of the text clearly hints at Elves (="those who were not born to die").

In LotR and Silmarillion there is a passage that states that when Sauron uttered the Ring spell to complete his forging of the One Ring and placed it in his hand
the Elven Smiths became aware of his treachery and hid the rings they had forged.

The text quotes this passage from LotR almost exactly. Page 248:
"Out of the Black Years come the words that the Smiths of Eregion heard, and knew they had been betrayed:
One Ring to Rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to Bring them all and in the Darkness bind them."

This "Out of the Black Years come the words" is printed in the OST booklet but it is not heard in the lyrics.

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Originally posted by Ralo:
It seems that you can't buy a ticket yet, I will check with Konserthuset today.

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Could you please keep me informed? Thanks!
I really don't wanna miss this

In fact the only prophecies I can really remember from Tolkien's Middle-earth writings both involve the Silmarillion. The first (and most major) is the Song of the Ainur before the world began, which prophesied the rebellion and subsequent fall of Melkor, as well as in fact almost everything that happens in the world of Middle-earth (though only Eru is said to know all the details of the Song). The only other I can think of concerns Tuor, and Ulmo's prophecy to Turgon.

Perhaps the word was used as the title for the original prologue in a rather loose fashion. I had never really thought about it before, but now that I do, it really doesn't seem to fit.

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Originally posted by Thorf:
Still, dambedir has a point: there does not seem to be any overt "prophecy" connected to the story of Lord of the Rings.

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That is very true. The only prophecy in LotR I can think of is the Malbeth the Seer's Words which is associated with Aragorn.

Doug Adams mentions this in the FotR Annotated Score which can be found in PDF format on the soundtrack's site. <HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

It seem to me that I have already know that and forgot it. Maybe it's a thing that have not to happened but I am happy that was : for the special quote of the book (and How should I can imagine other "ouverture" for the LOTR'S SYMPHONY. and this more than I should be disappointion by the little possible awkwardness (bad way)

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The text begins
"Listen! It speaks to those who were not born to die." and then follows the Verse of the Ring/Ring spell. <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>

When we know what's inside there's no doubt about the destination of the track.

Those who were no born to die ! can be Sauron (like Gandalf] the Maia born from Eru and immortal. Only a wind comming from the West died (maybe) the few strenght left of Sauron (in the Book, as Saruman who is a maia too).

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The first line of the text clearly hints at Elves (="those who were not born to die"). It would be interesting to see the alternate Prologue to see if it contained hints of what the text refers to.

In LotR there is a passage that states that when Sauron uttered the Ring spell to complete his forging of the One Ring and placed it in his hand
the Elven Smiths became aware of his treachery and hid the rings they had forged.

The text quotes this passage from LotR almost exactly. Page 248:
"Out of the Black Years come the words that the Smiths of Eregion heard, and knew they had been betrayed:
One Ring to Rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to Bring them all and in the Darkness bind them."
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Maybe I am not enought aware of the meaning of the english world prophecy but in this context must it be much Menace like (menace from a phamtom) rather than Matrix like !!!

the Sauron's menace is an other possibility having the same signification than "curse" "malediction" ect. but more accurate "menace" is, I think !!!

"Do not pursue him! He will not return to these lands. Far off yet is his doom, and not by the hand of man will he fall."

CK

And with what we know of the only oath of Fëanor...

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passive foreseen !!
"clairvoyance" I would say in french I do it some time (less than a elf) as everyone who have a even little knowledge of the life. and is old more than 15 year
(without fanstastic connotation skill to guess : shrewdness)

if Glorfindel is the same in LOTR and the silmarillion he has been in the hall of mandos. he's special.

where there is fantastic in Tolkien world it's never a thing for easy the story. and for the ROTK I ask myself of how Isildur is able to curse the dwimorberg warriors ! they betrayed him while the war of Dagor Lad, they were corrupted by Sauron. Maybe
ERU deny the passage for the traitor! Sauron had take part in a near past with the wrath of eru in the Submersion of Numenor. but I don't think their liberation of their curses are in a form of prophecy.

this things are in line of the Religious way of tolkien.
Only god know (I agree even If I am not a believer)
After the purgatory there is the mercy.
EOwyn and Pippin on the Pelennor field is for me like Tolkien and his Mother fighting against the dark in this sorrow years after his father died when she become catholic and tought him languages while her families abandonned them.
and the resurected foreseen about Eowyn and he's maybe involved for having asked to the god for they make the Bruinen in wrath against the ringwraith.....
The Nazgûl who were involved in trahison in such maners.

Dambedir

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Anyhoo, with those differing versions of the prologue, it'll be interesting to see if/how Doug can offer any explanation in his book. That there's supposed to be a version of the prologue that caused even his jaw to drop is mouth-watering, to say the least.

Which looks ugly with a dropped jaw...

-Mikko who can't wait to read RotK liner notes and Doug's book!-

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Originally posted by BattleToTheEnd:
I hope Barnes&Noble justed updated with a typo stating on their site that the release is now November 13th.

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Malheur................
(Nervous breakdown)

CK

(What? May I not be rambling and over-excited for a change as well?)

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Originally posted by Christian Kühn:
STREAMINGSOUNDTRACKS.COM IS JUST PLAYING THE HOUSES OF HEALING!!!!

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They usually don't have releases so early. Elanor is queued for around thirty minutes time.

I'm not going to listen to it though - going to wait for the real thing. I'm still holding to my RotK diet .

ruckus

I knew within five seconds that I was listening to RotK:CR and immediately turned it down until the piece is over. I am also waiting for the real deal.

SST.com is cool...usually, it takes a couple of notes or chords and I know if I have heard that score before. I can usually name it as well, and if not...I rack my brains, then look at the playlist and exclaim D'OH!

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Originally posted by gkgyver:
[b]You're forgetting the epilogue with Sam's "Well, I'm back!"

Dude, that's how the book ends, and many many fans prayed that the movie would include it, how can you forget that?
Doh! You're right, how in the world could I forget that. The perfect ending to a 12 hour cinematic journey. Guess I wasn't thinking straight, plus as far as the movies go Elanor's name wasn't spoken (I don't think) so, it through me for a loop.[/B]

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Ah, I get it, you're doing a Samwise Gamgee!

EDIT: A Storm is Coming goes only half-way before...I faded out.

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Gee, and here I was thinking I was enthusiastic/geeky/foaming at the mouth over LotR. Guess my enthusiasm is of a more...contained kind.

I am dead............

The piece for Smeagol becomming Gollum !!!

what's a happiness !!!!

Since "The Council of Elrond Assembles" is just playing...has anybody ever noticed that Aníron is cut and shortened? There are a couple of seconds missing before the first "Ai...Aníron", compared to the OST.

Intriguing as to why a shortened version would be used for the CR...

CK

-Mikko who is feeling like a desperate score junkie denying himself a fix of RotK-

(I resisted the urge to calculate the playing time...)

And... I finally dragged my wallet to the computer so I could order it. Finally, Peter! :-)

I am dead under the shock of the surprise !!

doesn't it a expression that match in english !!

it's figurative too lol

maybe I should say "astonished" !!

I wait for the dead anyway I hope for a enhanced chant from them in volume !!

( I ask now !!! they give me a finger I want the arms)