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Just in case you all forgot...............

Rumored running time is around 60 minutes.

--Brian

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Originally posted by nuts_score:
Dumb . . . boring . . .

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Originally posted by gkgyver:
Finally a film comes along that makes the sterile and mechanic MV sound appropriate

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I thought that was Enemy of the State? No? Anywho, I'll definately be picking this one up!

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Originally posted by sean:

Yeah, wow, I wish Alexandre Frenchsplat or John Adams had scored this. Can we get any more pretentious?

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We certainly can try. Haven't you gotten your bootleg copy of John Corigliano's rejected score to Michael Bay's Transformers?

But in all honesty, the sound mix on the film was atrocious; and I couldn't harldy make heads or tails of Jablonsky's score. I'll probably end up picking this CD up just to see what all of you are fussing about. I do like Jablonsky's other work (Steamboy and The Island in particular) so I'm sure I might at least enjoy this one.

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Originally posted by nuts_score:
But in all honesty, the sound mix on the film was atrocious; and I couldn't harldy make heads or tails of Jablonsky's score.

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No way. At least in Canadian cinemas the mix was great and the music was mixed LOUD! The score was upfront and mixed very well; actually, I think the last good mix a film score has gotten outside of Transformers is V For Vendetta. You just hated the film so much you don't remember the music. When I dislike a movie all I do is pay attention to the music. Let's face it, most of the scores we buy are for terrible films. BTW, you were the one who got me to pick up The Island and that score is nowhere near the calibre of Transformers, so quit sulking and pick this one up, nuts.

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Originally posted by HadrianD:
It's a far cry from Armageddon, that's for sure. Part of me wishes that Jerry Bruckheimer had produced this movie, since at least you'll have a more thematic score.

That said, I hope the official release will be able to compile all the goodies together for a more cohesive and enjoyable listening experience.

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Actually you have it backwards, Spielberg produced films usually have solid thematic scores compared to the noise that comes from Bruckheimer films.

Transformers sounds just like Armageddon, or any other film produced by Bruckheimer.

Listening to the walmart samples, I'm still optimistic that the album will be enjoyable if nothing special. I hear some interesting unused material in there such as the Frenzy and Optimus tracks. My guess would be that the Frenzy track was replaced in the film by the "Decepticon theme" that appears as track 2 on the album.

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Originally posted by Mark Olivarez:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by HadrianD:
[b] It's a far cry from Armageddon, that's for sure. Part of me wishes that Jerry Bruckheimer had produced this movie, since at least you'll have a more thematic score.

That said, I hope the official release will be able to compile all the goodies together for a more cohesive and enjoyable listening experience. <HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually you have it backwards, Spielberg produced films usually have solid thematic scores compared to the noise that comes from Bruckheimer films.

Transformers sounds just like Armageddon, or any other film produced by Bruckheimer.

I'm disappointed that Spielberg would allow this kind of music for a film.[/B]

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Yeah you've got to pretty much be deaf if you think this is like Armageddon. Bad Boys II I'd agree with, but definately not Armageddon. I guess you could say the military theme is somewhat like Armageddon, but I think Armageddon is way more solid. I am pretty sure what Hadrian was talking about was the fact that Bruckheimer loves scores with wall to wall themes. This score kind of has themes in the middle of wall to wall loops (not that it's a bad thing, it fits the movie very well).

Funny I never mentioned Hans Zimmer. I was just commenting on the Transformer score.

The score from Transformers might have actually been good if Hans Zimmer had composed it. Then it might be worth discussing.

It's the same for those who feel Jablonsky, Rabin, Badelt or anyone else that composes in that same style. No one has made a legit argument as to why their music is supposed to be so great.

That's ok, I get a kick out of watching people wet their pants with excitement over poor film music.

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Originally posted by Mark Olivarez:

The score from Transformers might have actually been good if Hans Zimmer had composed it. Then it might be worth discussing.

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Big assumption on my part: Most people who attack one of Zimmer's former co-workers are usually doing it with that "it all sounds the same" argument that just doesn't fly. I wished Zimmer had scored this film.

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Originally posted by Mark Olivarez:
It's the same for those who feel Jablonsky, Rabin, Badelt or anyone else that composes in that same style. No one has made a legit argument as to why their music is supposed to be so great.

That's ok, I get a kick out of watching people wet their pants with excitement over poor film music.

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Now, now... as much as I would love to have a new well-crafted Rozsa-style score, I enjoy this type of stuff on a completely different level.
With Rozsa, you get a kick out of the tunes themselves, and the actual craftsmanship behind the score (orchestration, variations, etc). With these MediaVentures scores, the fun is elsewhere.

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Originally posted by Mark Olivarez:
That's ok, I get a kick out of watching people wet their pants with excitement over poor film music.

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Poor because it was perfect for the film? Or poor just because you didn't like it and you think there's a specific way a score has to be written and sound in order to not be considered poor film music? People like different things. Just because you didn't like the score doesn't mean it's a poor score by any means. I think it's a pretty fun listen and was fitting for the movie.

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Originally posted by Dinko:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by Mark Olivarez:
[b]It's the same for those who feel Jablonsky, Rabin, Badelt or anyone else that composes in that same style. No one has made a legit argument as to why their music is supposed to be so great.

That's ok, I get a kick out of watching people wet their pants with excitement over poor film music.
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Now, now... as much as I would love to have a new well-crafted Rozsa-style score, I enjoy this type of stuff on a completely different level.
With Rozsa, you get a kick out of the tunes themselves, and the actual craftsmanship behind the score (orchestration, variations, etc). With these MediaVentures scores, the fun is elsewhere.

The power anthems, the booming bass lines. It may not work for you, but for some of us, Jablonsky's music can be just as evocative as the best of the older guys. [/B]

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Oh common Dinko you should know me better than that, It's a Michael Bay film. Of course I'm not expecting an A-list composer.

I'm not even basing my opinion on how it's used in the film.

I'm listening to it as I would any other music. I don't listen to film music to associate it with the film. I listen to it to enjoy the music.

Like every other film score I buy I have to make a choice. Did I like what I heard in the film? Do I like what I hear from "various sources" or sound clips? Am I a fan of the composer?

There's just nothing special about the music to Transformers, I find everything you described about MV scores to be boring and bland and at times just plain ridiculous. I view it the same way I do other music I hate, like Country and Rap.

Maybe if these guys used electronics much like JNH, Goldsmith or Poledouis did/does and let the orchestra sound natural I might be more interested in their works.

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Originally posted by scoreguy16:

Yeah you've got to pretty much be deaf if you think this is like Armageddon. Bad Boys II I'd agree with, but definately not Armageddon. I guess you could say the military theme is somewhat like Armageddon, but I think Armageddon is way more solid. I am pretty sure what Hadrian was talking about was the fact that Bruckheimer loves scores with wall to wall themes. This score kind of has themes in the middle of wall to wall loops (not that it's a bad thing, it fits the movie very well).

Clayton

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Hey, thanks for the backup. You read my mind. Bruckheimer films wants and need themes and themes. Even though, Transformers was produced by Steven Spielberg, the music decision was pretty much made by Michael Bay. When I was watching the movie, I noticed that it was the melodic content that made the movie better (for me) and not the droning percussion wallpaper, which got lost in the SFX mix anyway.

Did anyone saw the original Transformers animated movie? It had a great Vince Di Cola score that was very dramatic, melodic and thematic.

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Originally posted by Dinko:
Is it me, or do none of these releases feature the fast-paced heroic music from when the Autobots head out to the city to hide the All Spark? You know, the Optimus U-Turn when he meets Bumblebee & Co on the desert road?

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We'll know tomorrow whether it's on the release or not, but regardless, like John mentions, the performance of that theme during the "Scorpinok" piece is far, far better than that version (Autobots on the freeway) is and actually plays for a more extended period of time. That's probably THE MOST Hans Zimmer-sounding theme of any of the themes in Transformers, and my favourite theme of the score.

"Autobots": This is an extended cut, as far as I can tell, of the prologue music and it sounds GREAT! The part that I don't remember from the film and why I think it's an "extended" version is the huge choir near the end of the piece.

"Decepticons": Much of the first half of this is almost identical to the piece that was available from Burger King (HAHA!), but what's different here is that the latter half is more aggressive/percussive and driving than what was previously available. Nice piece with the chanting "ancient" sounding choir.

"The All Spark": I believe this is the music that occurs when Bumblebee compacts the All Spark at Hoover Dam so that it can be moved out of there. It's got a new building heroic theme, the one that plays for Sam when he rescues that HOTTIE for the first time and again when he's on the roof later on with flares.

"Optimus": This is probably my favourite of the bunch. It's more of a "concert arrangement" of the Optimus Prime theme rather than any one cue from the film, but if it were placed in the film than it's the music that occurs when the Autobots are getting ready to roll out with Prime's speech about "... freedom is the light of all sentient beings." This is quite beautiful.

"Arrival To Earth": For those who know the music, need I say more? This is a great piece, however, I get a bit lost near the end as the conclusion sounds a bit like an exact retread of "Autobots" (like a cut-and-paste to be exact).

"Bumblebee": O.K., this is another "concert arrangement" of the heroic Sam/Bumblebee theme, which starts off with the M:I 2-like guitar riffs (is Michael Brook involved in this score? I'm guessing yes) that are played during the end battle in the city and builds from there as the heroic theme continues to grow and grow, it never got this performance in the film and sounds exciting and grand here! AWESOME!

1 Autobots (2:35)
2 Soldier's Arrive + (0:31)
3 Bogey Approach + (1:21)
4 Soccent Attack (2:10)
5 Young subject matter + (1:59)
6 Bumblebee (3:59)
7 Sam At The Lake (2:00)
8 Decepticons (3:54)
9 Mainframe Tampering + (1:51)
10 Frenzy (1:59)
11 Camaro on the run + (2:50)
12 Scorponok + (5:31)
13 Scorponok (4:58)
14 Deciphering The Signal (3:11)
15 Deciphering The Signal - FBI Raid + (1:11)
16 Pink Bike Pursuit + (0:48)
17 Are you Ladies Man 217? + (1:23)
18 We're Locked In + (2:04)
19 Arrival To Earth (5:29)
20 Cybertron (2:48)
21 Why are you Here + (2:45)
22 Witwicky (1:59)
23 Witwicky House + (4:17)
24 Autobots to the rescue + (1:20)
25 Downtown Battle (1:35)
26 Sector 7 (2:07)
27 Bumblebee Captured (2:19)
28 Hoover Dam + (0:50)
29 The All Spark (3:37)
30 The All Spark + (2:25)
31 F22's to the City + (1:31)
32 Stumble Bumble + (1:55)
33 You're a Soldier Now (3:30)
34 Sam on the Roof (2:05)
35 No Sacrifice, No Victory + (4:04)
36 Soldier's Retreat - Take the Cube - Megatron vs. Optimus + (3:56)
37 Megatron vs. Optimus (4:02)
38 Sam Our Hero + (2:28)
39 No Sacrifice, No Victory (2:58)
40 Optimus (3:18)

+ not included in score album release

[Message edited by Foobsie on 10-09-2007]

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Originally posted by darthmaul1:
I am in canada I am seriously pissed, I phoned HMV, Bestbuy, walmart and A&B sound, and none of them have it they said it's and import for 26 bucks, yeah right as if I will be paying that. what a crock of sh1t, I may buy it off of amazon, but the point is I shouldn't have to. they are complaining about piracy and then they do something like this. and basically force you to download it.

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I'm in Ottawa and all I did was order it off Amazon for 13 pesos and they hand delivered it to me this morning just as I was sitting down for breakfast thinking about Optimus Prime and nut's favourite Transformer: Cock Blaster.

Back to the issue at hand: Don't bother with Canadian music stores, they blow. I pretty much just buy all my scores online nowadays.

They are running the DVD preorder special which gets you $5 off the CD, so I assume so. The question is when.

Tracks :

1. autobots 2:33
2. decepticons 3:51
3. all spark 3:34
4. deciphering the signal 3:08
5. frenzy 1:56
6. optimus 3:15
7. bumblebee 3:58
8. soccent attack 2:07
9. sam at the lake 1:59
10. scorponok 4:57
11. cybertron 2:45
12. arrival to earth 5:26
13. witwicky 1:57
14. downtown battle 1:32
15. sector 7 2:05
16. bumblebee captured 2:17
17. you're a soldier now 3:27
18. sam on the roof 2:02
19. optimus vs. megatron 3:59
20. no sacrifice, no victory 2:57

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Originally posted by Quill:
Does anyone expect this in the likes of Best Buy here in the States...and let me clarify...anytime soon?

They are running the DVD preorder special which gets you $5 off the CD, so I assume so. The question is when.

I know I will regret not pre-ordering from Amazon.

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I'll have mine tomorrow

It is also nice to know that we are in a day and age where if this sort of thing is going to happen, you can buy the music from iTunes, etc.

It depends on your I Want It Now threshold.

--Bri