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Originally posted by PeterK:
MM Store orders have begun shipping as of yesterday. The bulk goes out today and tomorrow. Egads!!!!!! Lots of boxes...

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You've made me a very happy man Peter...I'm glad I ordered it from here

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the Argonath music is not the only hidden gem here!

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If my ears don't cheat me, there's some alternate Shire music in the last third, which sounds a bit synth-ish.
But the Argonath music is indeed gorgeous! Personally, I find the Gondor In Decline theme more fitting than the History Of The Ring theme. Logically, I mean.
Emotionally, they both play out differently, and they both work brilliantly.

About the "abusive relationship" discussion;
when, like in Lord of the Rings, the director is looking for someone who is willing to invest himself to that degree, and Howard Shore *was* willng (which, let's face it, the score shows), that's not abusive.
I mean, it would be a different story if he was the kind of composer that doesn't care too much about background information and such details, but we all know Howard Shore loves details.
In my opinion, it's alot more abusive when a composer is brought in a month before release and is required to shake a top notch 90 minutes orchestral score out of his pencil.
In a way, it's an abuse of film music itself.

In a way, Lord of the Rings shows the way it *should* be done, with the composer rewriting and re-recording the music until it fits the picture, and the director conforming to the composer's process as much as possible. Like in Two Towers, when PJ cut Helm's Deep earlier because Howard Shore felt it would give him a better idea of what the film was going to be like.
That doesn't mean all composers on every film should be involved for a year, but the movie industry severely lacks respect for good craftsmanship in film scoring recently.

Oh, Doug, thanks for squeezing my question in, by the way!
I don't think I know myself what I mean by "different sound", that's why I asked
But I think you are right, it comes from all the themes colliding and interacting.
Return of the King is like Fellowship plus Two Towers and then some.

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Originally posted by mathew:
Amazon.de canceled my order, because they think the box-set isn't available any more. What a mess. I ordered it in advance for a great price. I'm really pissed...

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For 47.99€? Yeah, I got burnt as well today (my reward for being cranky here last week...)

My advice: order it from the US. With the current $/€ rate, you'll be spending only very slightly more for it. If you'Re able to avoid our customs, that is...

If you in Switzerland manage to get John Douglas Adams to these parts, then I'll doubly be there! (Laughs nervously after considering the list of pints I've been promising said John Douglas Adams...)

Doug, wonderful podcast! One more pint...

All Best, and a nice weekend to all!

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Originally posted by Cavalier_of_Palahndtüs:
quick que...FotR: CR, d1, tr7 the choral part where Gandalf is "researching" the One Ring - is that the Black Speech text, Black Speech Ring-Verse? If so, I wonder why the FotR ann. score says it's first heard on tr11....? if not, what text is it? thanks!

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There has been a post by Magpie identifying this piece, but beats me if I can find it right now. IIRC, it's from "The Footsteps of Doom":

Man sí minna?
Man ammen toltha i dann hen Amarth?
I anann darthant dam morn
Si dannatha.

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Originally posted by Cavalier_of_Palahndtüs:
quick que...FotR: CR, d1, tr7 the choral part where Gandalf is "researching" the One Ring - is that the Black Speech text, Black Speech Ring-Verse? If so, I wonder why the FotR ann. score says it's first heard on tr11....? if not, what text is it? thanks!

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The lyrics are from 'The Seduction of the Ring'.
Here are Magpies time stamps.

Great podcast! Favourite quote: 'They [the LotR-scores] stand the test of *my* time.' Couldn't have said this better myself

Sabsi, looking forward to the Symphony in Stockholm

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Originally posted by azahid:
Hey Doug, Whos the gal from INDIA? Didnt know I had a neighbour lurking around here!!

Amer

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Originally posted by Shire Bagginz:

You've made me a very happy man Peter...I'm glad I ordered it from here

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Ditto that, on both counts!

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Originally posted by gkgyver:
I don't think "Don't Let Go" appears at all, but I'm not trained to decipher phonetic languages over a thousand orchestra members

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And I am not going to worry that my order from moviemusic has not shipped yet.

this is me not worrying.

Boy, this Crack of Doom track is kick-ass. (podcast audio... in case you were wondering --- no... I mean Cinematic Sound on Demand. I'm going to bed. This is twice I've had to edit and the dang html gets so botched up.)

[Message edited by Magpie on 11-15-2007]

Seems like "The Destruction Of The Ring" was used all the way through the Mount Doom sequence, save for a few lines of "The Mountain Of Fire".

And i'll order my ROTK:CR this week or the next.Should arrive in this part of the world by the beggining of december .Cheers and namarie!

P.S.:Magpie,don't you think that after DA's book is realeased you'll be "out of job"?I mean,it'll probably contain every theme reference from the movies/recordings,every lyric and cue... .

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Originally posted by Magpie:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by azahid:
[b]Hey Doug, Whos the gal from INDIA? Didnt know I had a neighbour lurking around here!!

Amer<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>You aren't talking about Earl, are you?

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Heh heh, if you are, then the gal's a guy

Which reminds me, Doug, did you manage to come up with an answer for my question? I think it was along the lines of "Do you have a favourite theme in Lord of the Rings?"

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Originally posted by Christian Kühn:

For 47.99€? Yeah, I got burnt as well today (my reward for being cranky here last week...)

My advice: order it from the US. With the current $/€ rate, you'll be spending only very slightly more for it. If you'Re able to avoid our customs, that is...

CK

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Originally posted by Thorf:
"Do you have a favourite theme in Lord of the Rings?"

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But I also can't get enough of the Shire, Mordor, Isengard, Rohan and Gondor themes...

-Sabsi. Want.My.CR.Now!

EDIT: Doh! I forgot the Fellowhip-Theme. It's brilliant - especially the choral version in 'For Frodo'!

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Originally posted by Beren:
P.S.:Magpie,don't you think that after DA's book is realeased you'll be "out of job"?I mean,it'll probably contain every theme reference from the movies/recordings,every lyric and cue... .

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And, he doesn't always think what I do or say what I do.

In fact, I got to say... if you think that my site is just a duplication of what Doug says, you haven't spent enough time there.

I think the musicologist fan (a category that covers many of you) prefer Doug's work. That's understandable. But not every fan can afford the CRs and not every fan understands Doug. I had 15,000 views in the last three days. I've gotten letters from nuns and heavy metal musicians. I don't think I'm going to be put out of business.

I also don't think Doug is into 'listing' as much as some fans are. He's into 'discussing'. So I don't know if it *will* "contain every theme reference from the movies/recordings,every lyric and cue... ". Lists are only good as fodder for examination and discussion.

Really, though, notices are good for the tracking number only, as I can tell you now that everyone who has pre-ordered by right now will be shipped by today!

A lot of you ordered with Priority Mail, which means your box will probably be in your hands on Monday... if the post office has recovered nicely from its day off earlier this week.

I've undercharged on postage, I've undercharged on retail price to compete with amazon. I'm in a sweatshop on this one, but it's for you guys! Hopefully you can see there are some cool places other than the almighty amazon.com to do business, and regardless of price, you get good old-fashioned attention.

And now you can go out and tell your friends someone called you "old-fashioned" today.

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The world premiere performances of The Fly, an opera in two acts, begin July 2, 2008 at the Théâtre du Châtelet in Paris. Please visit their website to purchase tickets: www.chatelet-theatre.com.

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Great! As soon as they announce the new date of the symphony as well, I'll book my flight (and hope it won't be rescheduled again...)

They're wrong. If a Internet Market-seller was not able to send a purchase for it will be in the Box-Mail the day of the release, the competition with the direct shopping shouldn't be fair.

At any rate it's what happen in France, often the DVD I've purchased on Internet are in my hands the day of their release (I hope it will happen with the director's cut of blade Runner)

For the DVD of TTT, it wasn't at home as its release-date, so I cancelled it with the internet-seller and I've gone buy it at the newagent/book trade shop.

Any Hope, I think, the ROTK-CR will be in this shop tuesday 20 th November
there are still about up to three weeks for I will get the Precious. (As amazon.uk has stand its release I hope for a Shorter time than the last year, it will be good to take one of their copy from these so (too) near englishes... )

I suppose they would have to be scenes cut out very late in proceedings, but perhaps Mr. Shore might possibly have conjured up something at an early stage, even if not complete. Deleted scenes in question I know of would include the Moria Orcs following the Fellowship into Lothlorien, the Elven Council in The Two Towers or Eowyn battling the Uruks in the Glittering Caves. Or did these not get past the drawing board (if they even ever made the drawing board)? But of course these are just major scenes that I know of, there could be others less well-known.

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Originally posted by Gorbag:
Just a quick question for Doug that hopefully he can answer; I was just wondering if the Rarities disc will include (at this stage) any pieces set to scenes not even present in the Extended Editions?

I suppose they would have to be scenes cut out very late in proceedings, but perhaps Mr. Shore might possibly have conjured up something at an early stage, even if not complete. Deleted scenes in question I know of would include the Moria Orcs following the Fellowship into Lothlorien, the Elven Council in The Two Towers or Eowyn battling the Uruks in the Glittering Caves. Or did these not get past the drawing board (if they even ever made the drawing board)? But of course these are just major scenes that I know of, there could be others less well-known.

Personally, though very unlikely, I'd love to hear what Shore would have done for a potential Epilogue scene - I really think the music used during Sam's speech in TTT and also Frodo standing on the shores of the Anduin in FOTR would have been perfect here, but obviously fleshed out in some way. Just my lowly opinion.

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