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gkgyver
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Well, I don't know, but apparently Howard Shore suggested something that made Doug go "Can we actually do that?"So that definitely sounds exciting
posted 11-19-2007 01:06 PM PT (US) Gorbag
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Originally posted by gkgyver:
Well, I don't know, but apparently Howard Shore suggested something that made Doug go "Can we actually do that?"So that definitely sounds exciting
Wow thanks, it does indeed.
posted 11-19-2007 01:20 PM PT (US) Strider1002
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It was waiting for me when I got home. Just getting into the meaty part of disc two now
posted 11-19-2007 03:46 PM PT (US) Cavalier_of_Palahndtüs
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AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Just got it 2 minutes ago!
LOOK CLOSELY!!! The DVD DOES show Side A and Side B...it's just hard to see but it IS there!!
AHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YAHOO!!!!!!! I love you Peter! I love EVERYONE RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(if only you could hear the weird-as-hell noises I'm making right now!)
posted 11-19-2007 03:56 PM PT (US) BattleToTheEnd
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What really gets me is that my package arrived in my home city at 1:03 AM. The package wasn't at the location that my P.O. Box is at, it was at a different location that is only 20 minutes away at most and around 12 o'clock when I went to check the mail it wasn't there. 20 minutes to travel in 11 hours and I ended up with nothing today. I sure do hope it is there tomorrow, because you all are making it harder on me to wait any longer. Especially Cavalier.... AHHHHHHHHHHH!!!![Message edited by BattleToTheEnd on 11-19-2007]
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posted 11-19-2007 04:07 PM PT (US) rolltide1017
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Something sounds wrong with the transition between tracks 3 and 4 on disc 2 (Allegiance To Denethor & The Sacrifice Of Faramir). Track 3 just abruptly ends and the beginning of track 4 sounds like it is in the middle of a note. Doesn't sound right at all. I hope nothing is wrong with my disc 2. Can anyone else hear what I'm talking about?EDIT: Never mind, it is just something weird iTunes is doing while playing the CD, it is cutting the first few milliseconds off. WMP plays it back fine.
[Message edited by rolltide1017 on 11-19-2007]
posted 11-19-2007 04:07 PM PT (US) BattleToTheEnd
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Yeah, my iTunes does the same thing, you can fix it by highlighting all the tracks from the CR, right click, click on "Get Info" then go to "Options" then click on the box for "Part of a gapless album" then it will stop cutting the last few seconds off the tracks.
posted 11-19-2007 04:21 PM PT (US) Strider1002
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quote:
Originally posted by Cavalier_of_Palahndtüs:LOOK CLOSELY!!! The DVD DOES show Side A and Side B...it's just hard to see but it IS there!!
Yeah, it is there, lightly. Mine came loose during shipping, hopefully it's okay. Shall see soon...
posted 11-19-2007 04:56 PM PT (US) rolltide1017
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That's the one thing I'm disappointed with the set, the DVD. Not the quality of music on the DVD but the fact that it is a dual sided DVD and the way it is packaged. I've already hit the DVD with the case a few times will closing it and I fear that it will be too easy to damage the DVD the way it is now. Not too mention it is too easy for the CD holder and booklet to slap against the DVD as well. One side of the disc is going to be in danger of getting scratches. Mine actually already had a few smudges from where the ribbon was sitting on it when I first opened it. I kinda wish they had charged a few dollars more and went ahead and used 2 separate DVDs instead of the dual sided one.Oh well, everything else is absolutely perfect about this set. Thanks for the prompt shipping Peter!
posted 11-19-2007 05:14 PM PT (US) Magpie
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Mine's here and I've opened the packaging but listening isn't an option for the moment.Re: Doug's book. It's been quietly in my mind that I want to find/make arrangements to get an autographed copy of the book. It's way too early to consider that now but if I have to buy the book, ship it Doug and pay for return shipping, I will. Perhaps Doug will have the capacity to work with a book seller either online or in Chicago to do this as well. It will happen. I have no doubt about it. I can be persistent when I want. :-)
posted 11-19-2007 05:27 PM PT (US) Olorin
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Originally posted by Magpie:
Mine's here and I've opened the packaging but listening isn't an option for the moment.Re: Doug's book. It's been quietly in my mind that I want to find/make arrangements to get an autographed copy of the book. It's way too early to consider that now but if I have to buy the book, ship it Doug and pay for return shipping, I will. Perhaps Doug will have the capacity to work with a book seller either online or in Chicago to do this as well. It will happen. I have no doubt about it. I can be persistent when I want. :-)
What a great idea--a book signing! I'd definitely drive up to Chicago for that (it's only about 140 miles).
On another note, my set did not come today. It took 2 days to get from Florida to St. Louis, which is, oh, I don't know, over 1000 miles, and it's apparently going to take at least 2 to get from St. Louis to Champaign, about 200 miles. Go figure. But I wait patiently! :-)
posted 11-19-2007 05:51 PM PT (US) Strider1002
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I just realized that many of us actually have th CR before it's been officially released. If I hadn't gone with MovieMusic, I'd still be waiting tomorrow, and probably get it on Wednesday. Or - God forbid - Friday. Ugh.
posted 11-19-2007 07:10 PM PT (US) dambedir
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I DON'T BELIEVE IT.......MY PRECIOUS IS AT PARIS YET.......
(ahem, yes I have gave up to the temptation of it and I've changed for an DHL sending... ashamed I am...)
It's good the Shame...
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ahem !! "PACKAGE DATA PROCESSED BY BROKERAGE. WAITING FOR CLEARANCE" and this from paris in advance before the arrival[Message edited by dambedir on 11-19-2007]
posted 11-19-2007 07:21 PM PT (US) AustinHusker
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Mine shipped out today via UPS for "3 day select" shipping from B&N. It just got to the Dallas area tonight at 8PM local time and it has an estimated delivery date of 11/26?!?! Dallas is only 3 hours from my house. I'm hoping to get it tomorrow, or else I might have to go postal. LOL-Chad
posted 11-19-2007 08:27 PM PT (US) gkgyver
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I just realized that many of us actually have th CR before it's been officially released.Well, if you take the 14 days of delay into the equation, that seems pretty fair
posted 11-19-2007 08:35 PM PT (US) Cavalier_of_Palahndtüs
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I just finished it!It's the best of the three! Each one gets better in my opinion! The Crack of Doom may just be the greatest choral track of any from the LotR score! (And I thought Gandalf the White in Nature might be the best, yah yah yah)
Thank you Howard Shore, Peter Jackson, Doug Adams, the Performers, all involved, Peter Kelly (the mighty FishChip ) and you LotR film score fans! I love you all! The adventure has peaked...but it ain't done yet! Yahoo!
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
posted 11-19-2007 09:27 PM PT (US) rolltide1017
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"The Crack Of Doom" is one of my favs as well but, I think "The Eagles" is my fav. I just love that track.
posted 11-19-2007 09:37 PM PT (US) Crono
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Wow, Fan Boys Unite.--Brian
NP: Final Fantasy VII
posted 11-19-2007 09:41 PM PT (US) gkgyver
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Name ten themes from Lord of the Rings by their correct name or go away
posted 11-19-2007 09:53 PM PT (US) Magpie
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You tell him, gk!I haven't listened all the way through. I'm on track 4 (disc 1) right now and I won't stay up to finish it. I listened recreationally to the music on StreamingSoundtracks when I got around to it. Then I listened to Cinematic Sound On Demand. I hesitate to call a favorite before listening to it all but the Crack of Doom track on Cinematic Sound made me want to jump up and shout. And every time I've heard it since I've had the same reaction. In fact, I might just jump ahead and listen to that track before I go to bed.
posted 11-19-2007 10:04 PM PT (US) gkgyver
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It's an amazing piece of music isn't it?Here's my personal review of the set on Amazon:
Four years it has been now; four years since The Return Of The King graced our theatres, destined to become the second most successful film of all time, garning eleven Academy Awards, including Best Picture and Best Director for Peter Jackson. And, not least of all, two for Howard Shore and his never resting mind. Four years full of studying Tolkien, labouring over dozens of different cuts and scrutinising every thematic approach in each scene, making absolutely sure it relates correctly and pushes all the right buttons, Howard Shore's labour of love comes to a glorious, and well- deserved end.
The End? Not really. For three years now, Howard Shore himself supervised the production of these Complete Recordings, and it speaks for his character that he didn't give this project out of his hands.
So, here we are, holding The Return Of The King in our hands, and the question is today as relevant as it was four years ago - maybe even more, since we can now judge the full vision of Howard Shore: does it hold up? Did Shore do justice to his own brilliance, did he actually manage to bring the full spectrum of themes to a logical, conclusive, satisfying end?If the last 20 years of film making have taught us anything, then it's certainly a strong reluctancy to set our hopes for sequels or prequels too high. How many times did we have the highest hopes for a single project, and it didn't only fail, but also had that uniquely ability to not only tarnish the film itself, but all previous entries as well?
That is the most important lesson, and it also reveals a very important aspect of creativity: dazzling the mind with a lot of flash is easy; illuminating the mind with structure demands far more from any artist. That today's movies fail to give us amazing eye candy can't be expected anymore, but amongst all the FX artists doing their magic and sound effect guys blasting the theatre's speakers, where's the story, the gravitas, the ingenuity?
So, am I trying to ease you into the message that Howard Shore actually didn't really deliver this time? No. I want to show you the vast deepness of the chasm on whose edge Howard Shore stood.Obviously, Lord Of The Rings is not the first movie series with sequels that are better than the original. Motion picture history is littered with improved second parts. The difference, however, is that usually, when a composer delivers an improved sequel, it feels like revisiting the previous score. The composer develops themes by reconsidering the first installment. He might take the score from film one from A to B, and the second score from A to C.
In Fellowship of the Ring and The Two Towers, Shore went from point A to B and B to C, respectively. Themes continued developments without a recap, drawing fresh connections while pushing the old in new directions; the palette widened, incorporating a grander sense of scope and advanced realisations of the styles.
Return of the King takes us triumphantly to point D, which logically expands the compass even further. Shore has built his emotional arc through nearly eight hours of music before reaching this score, and now, as we reach the destination, everything is touched with a sense of gravity. We've earned this voyage; we've come to its conclusion naturally, and the effects are nearly overwhelming.
Nowadays, it's an easy task to find film scores with beautifully soaring themes and powerful action. Nearly every film score today appears to see its task in creating music that is soaked with emotional highlights, moments of pathos and orchestral clashes of almost orgiastic proportions. But in 90 % of those cases, an essential element is lacking: the music and the film don't *earn* these moments, resulting in an atmosphere of fakeness and emotional pretentiousness.This isn't the case with Lord of the Rings, and especially not with Return of the King. Two scores and six hours of music steadily, subtly and systematically build into this archetectural masterpiece.
Return Of The King has a different vibe from the very first bar. Orchestrations and compositions are a lot more diverse and intricate, and even the palette of soundscapes is more elaborate.
This is largely due to the fact that in Return of the King, Howard Shore combines and collides his themes to bring them down to a common denominator, to bring the stories to their logical climax. For instance, in "A Coronal Of Silver and Gold" or "The Land Of Shadow", the 5/4 beat of Isengard meets the Fourth Age Of Mordor theme, and the Orc theme of Isengard meets the Threat Of Mordor motif, indicating that Isengard's power and creatures have now been fully consumed by and integrated under the eye of Sauron.From the very beginning, Return of the King builds on The Two Towers' maturity, and adds an amazing layer of thematic and textural developments. The bridging is absolutely seamless - the first 30 seconds of "Roots and Beginnings" sound like a direct continuation of Two Tower's end credits.
This score has a distinct touch of understated grandesse, which roots in Howard Shore's inherent subtlety, and which is perfect because the movie isn't about heroic, uplifting battles, it shows a world in decline and its hope of revival.
Everything builds into this, and the true meanings of all themes are revealed. Right in the opening sequence, "Roots And Beginnings", the essential meaning of the Ring's Seduction theme is presented. Or the ringwraiths; listen to Fellowship's "The Nazgul", Two Towers' "Wraiths On Wings", and then "Shieldmaiden Of Rohan", and you will not only see, you will understand. That's also a feelings very few scores can create.
When Aragorn bows to the four hobbits during the coronation scene, you hear the exact same short piece that plays when Frodo says "I will take the ring" during the Council Of Elrond; these are the moments that reveal a true genius of musical storytelling.
And amongst all these intricacies, Howard Shore never loses the focus on the heart of the tale. That is why the emotional climaxes reaches their full blossoming in the listener's mind, and each one stabs right into your heart, unfolding a deep satisfaction.
As you know by now, this gem includes four CDs, one DVD with the score in Surround Sound, and a more than intriguing booklet by Doug Adams, who guides us through the soundscapes of Middle-Earth.
Also, like Two Towers, this release includes countless additions that didn't make it into the film. These additions are sometimes of bigger, often of shorter nature, but they all glue together some score parts that appeared incoherent in the film. In the best sense of the word, they give the score even more time to breathe and to shine.I don't think there has ever been a film score that lived and breathed quite like The Lord Of The Rings trilogy, and The Return Of The King especially. Every piece of music has its meaning, talks to you, and leaves you deeply satisfied.
Unlike the Ring films themselves, their scores, or more precisely their themes, may never become part of popular culture, and in times where this is considered the knighting for any film score, Lord Of The Rings doesn't need to, since it has an entirely different goal, and works on an entirely different level.
If you wanted to place "The Return Of The King" in film music history, you will have to go back to the glory days of film music in the 50s and the 60s, when there was no difference between classically trained composers and film composers, when those great musicians didn't need to worry about sales or becoming part of pop culture, but instead created music through which their films lived, breathed and acquired true greatness. Spartacus, El Cid, North By Northwest, Ben Hur, Jason and the Argonauts, that is the royal company in which The Lord Of The Rings does not need to feel ashamed.
You could even say that The Return Of The King goes back to 18th/19th century opera in terms of how dozens and dozens of meticulously interwoven motifs not only shape the actors' performance, but also tell the story on their own. In this light, Shore's Ring trilogy has even an advantage over scores like Ben Hur or King Of Kings.
Howard Shore's masterpiece combines genuine opera with a glimpse of Golden Age, and this is an achievement for the ages.May sound cheesy, but that's what I think.
[Message edited by gkgyver on 11-19-2007]
posted 11-19-2007 10:22 PM PT (US) tomandshell
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It's funny that you mention Ben Hur, as it has always been one of my favorite film scores. I remember about ten years ago, they released a special two disc soundtrack set of the Ben-Hur score featuring all of the music with a nice booklet and I thought it was the best thing I'd ever seen. Now the three CR sets have taken the top spot in my collection. The music is without equal.(Plus, the liner notes are better...)
posted 11-20-2007 12:20 AM PT (US) Christian Kühn
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Wordy fellow...how much did you pay in total, Georg, and had Customs have a look?
posted 11-20-2007 03:08 AM PT (US) franz_conrad
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Mine hasn't been purchased yet, and is approximately 93 days away. This tension is killing me.
posted 11-20-2007 03:19 AM PT (US) Gorbag
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Any surprises for anyone? The most welcome surprise for me was the fantastic Isengard/Mordor music at the beginning of 'The Land of Shadow', which took me straight back to 'Ugluk's Warriors' and 'The Three Hunters' on TTT: CR soundtrack. I haven't seen the ROTK:EE in a while so I had forgotten all about this, and it really is tremendous music. I a lot of stuff I was looking forward to but its always nice to find those little pieces you had forgotten all about and thus can arguably appreciate even more.But nothing beats 'The Battle of the Pelennor Fields' for me, still has the same impact now as when I first listened to it! Infact, I haven't had the chance to listen to the whole album a second time yet, so I can't wait til tomorrow when I can listen to it all again! These albums truly take many repeated listenings to fully appreciate every nuance and detail. I think I've listened to the FOTR and TTT ones about 40 times each (its great for when you're writing essays and the like!, which may be a small or large amount for you guys, and now I can follow most of the material, whereas a large portion of ROTK was initially unrecognisable to me, especially stuff like The Paths of the Dead music.
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posted 11-20-2007 03:59 AM PT (US) orbital
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Nice job, Georg - well done!
posted 11-20-2007 06:05 AM PT (US) Ge0rge
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I thinks it's too brave to place "The Return Of The King" into the 50's, its place is just in our near past! It would be completely another music if Shore composed it at that time. Shore brings a lot of thriller-kind of drama feeling that he developed working on his previous really dark and heavy thrillers\horrors into the LOTR score, which is hard to find in the classic. Just compare soundtrack for any modern horror film and the one from the 1930's...and why should we bury modern good composers in the old ages? Good review though!
posted 11-20-2007 09:40 AM PT (US) rolltide1017
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I just noticed that many websites (including soundtrack.net, filmtracks.com and soundtrackcollector.com) list track 14 of disc 1 with the wrong title. Many sites list it as "A Coronet Of Silver" when it should be "A Coronal of Silver and Gold." Don't know why I'm posting this, just find it weird that so many site would have the wrong track title listed (guess the all copy it from the same source).
posted 11-20-2007 10:14 AM PT (US) dambedir
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http://www.lordoftherings-soundtrack.com/The Web site of the Music of the LOTR-MOVIE is complete now...
posted 11-20-2007 11:15 AM PT (US) PeterK
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Originally posted by rolltide1017:
I just noticed that many websites (including soundtrack.net, filmtracks.com and soundtrackcollector.com) list track 14 of disc 1 with the wrong title. Many sites list it as "A Coronet Of Silver" when it should be "A Coronal of Silver and Gold." Don't know why I'm posting this, just find it weird that so many site would have the wrong track title listed (guess the all copy it from the same source).It could be the advance that was sent out, but it only shortens the track to "A Coronel of Silver." I guess bad eyesight might see that as "coronet," but that all site admins have bad eyesight? I see the sites you refer to still have track 12 on the same disc still wrong too, missing a little "l" as in Undomiel!
Bad seed somewhere...
posted 11-20-2007 12:36 PM PT (US) Gorbag
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When you play it through itunes, initially the track names are also the early versions, so you get things like 'Grace of Undomie' and so forth.
posted 11-20-2007 12:40 PM PT (US) gkgyver
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@ ChristianAll in all, the box plus fast shipping was around 90$.
Which seems much, but it was shipped on Friday and arrived Monday, plus it saved me the agony some people had.
Also, it wasn't exactly a last minute purchase that didn't allow me to take it into the "money plan".posted 11-20-2007 03:14 PM PT (US) Frodo222
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I went to Walmart and FYE right after school to get the ROTK CR. I was extremely disappointed when neither store had a single copy! Can someone please help me and tell me which stores have it in stock and why Walmart and FYE are lacking?THANKS!
posted 11-20-2007 03:27 PM PT (US) gkgyver
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I gave up looking for scores on the exact release date in "normal" stores a long time ago.Don't order from amazon.com though, they jacked up the price by 10 $ on the release date.
posted 11-20-2007 03:29 PM PT (US) Magpie
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I live in fairly large metro area and no one here has it on the shelves. Best Buy (brick and mortar) had the CR-FOTR but not CR-TTT.
Originally posted by Frodo222:
I went to Walmart and FYE right after school to get the ROTK CR. I was extremely disappointed when neither store had a single copy! Can someone please help me and tell me which stores have it in stock and why Walmart and FYE are lacking?THANKS!
posted 11-20-2007 05:39 PM PT (US) Strider1002
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I definitely wouldn't expect Wal-Mart to have the CRs, ever, really. Wal-Mart doesn't exactly cater to certain good tastes... that's about as delicately as I can put itBut no, I drove around all over town last year for TTT and no one had it on the release date. That's why I ranted and raved earlier about "what's the point of setting a release date if no stores are going to have it on that date??"
That's why I went with MovieMusic. (I sound like a commercial, huh?)
posted 11-20-2007 07:44 PM PT (US) Olorin
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Ah, I'm listening to mine right now--Eowyn is battling the Witch King.It's so nice to have this set finally, and it arrived on release day, and I didn't have to pay next day shipping prices like last year when I discovered that no one was carrying TTT in brick and mortar stores, so I next-dayed it from Amazon.
Anyway, a great big thanks to Peter for carrying this and getting it out so quickly!
posted 11-20-2007 09:00 PM PT (US) eggerty
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Arrgh!Amazon UK have now sent me an email saying that this item won't be available until ~ 24th December!
I can get it shipped from the US quicker than that! The only thing I'm concerned with is how it would be packaged - Don't want a crushed box arriving.
Listening to you talk about it is killing me. I wantss it my preciousss.
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posted 11-21-2007 01:52 AM PT (US) Gorbag
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by eggerty:
Arrgh!Amazon UK have now sent me an email saying that this item won't be available until ~ 24th December!
I can get it shipped from the US quicker than that! The only thing I'm concerned with is how it would be packaged - Don't want a crushed box arriving.
Listening to you talk about it is killing me. I wantss it my preciousss.
[Message edited by eggerty on 11-21-2007]<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>
They're not on there at the moment but keep a look out on ebay.co.uk - a seller had them available for about 45 pounds and that's how I got it early last week, they were very efficient. I suppose you could locate the item on the Completed Listings and try and contact the seller to see if they have any more.
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posted 11-21-2007 02:58 AM PT (US) dambedir
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JE L'AI.................
(translation: I've got it!)
Good the inner curved side after the flat one of the TTT-CR and the bulged one of the FOTR-CR ...
The thickest Boxes-Set remains closed... good Too... (Not like... ahem...)[Message edited by dambedir on 11-21-2007]
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