It'a only justice for all who have begin the quest... and it's a great Music for this. If this is like in the OST (with some differences though) the song(s) talk(s) about the solidarity and the wish of sam to save Frodo and each members of the fellowship are shown after the Ring is destroyed (excepted Boromir of course) and it seems too, the song(s) are/is for the Mountain of fire.
and it's a song for the peace that come on middle-earth. there is no music for Gollum/Smeagol falling from the cliff in the "Crack of doom" I suppose at any rate this is a decent thing. (even if the lava of the Sammath Naur is not a decent place, like he told it to Frodo when they were about the Mordor.. lol)

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Gandalf speak with riddles, and the Grey Havens theme is heard first when he is with Pippin entrenched in a level of Minas Tirith while a Orcs tries to strike the doors.

The dialog :

Pippin: I didn't think it would end this way.

Gandalf: End? No, the journey doesn't end here. Death is just another path, one that we all must take. The grey rain-curtain of this world rolls back, and all turns to silver glass. And then you see it

Pippin: What? Gandalf? See what?

Gandalf: White Shores... and beyond, a far green country under a swift sunrise.

Pippin: Well, that isn't so bad.

Gandalf: No, no it isn't.

Weirdly it seems Gandalf doesn't look Pippin when he talks about the White Shores and it's seeming to something he would say to Frodo (if Frodo will travel to the white shore, Pippin won't find the death also).

Another and Mere explanation it's Gandalf speaks for the first time of the white Shores.

Another great theme and Music the White - Shores/ Grey Havens

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Originally posted by Christian Kühn:
Update from REPRISE Records confirmed that sales have been so great for The Return of the King – The Complete Recordings that many retailers are currently backordered. The Reprise sales department is working diligently to ship more sets out to the retailers as quickly as possible. They have also already ordered a new pressing from the plant and expect them to hit retailers by December 18.

The hand-constructed box and 48-page booklet have a long lead time to produce and Reprise assures us that they are working as quickly as possible to make the set available.

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2 thoughts here:

First and foremost, I am SO glad I ordered for Peter and received the set on release date and have been enjoying it ever since. Thanks again, Peter!!!

Second, why does Reprise repeatedly fail to make enough of these things to meet the demand? Sure, the box may be tough to produce, but not to have enough on hand at this time of year is very bad business. I mean, a cool (and pricey) set like this just screams "Christmas present!" but if you can't buy it, it's not a good gift idea.

Now, somewhat related to the second thought, but perhaps a bit of an odd question, do other folks tend to associate LOTR in all its forms with Christmas? I received my first copy of the book as a Christmas present, the Bakshi animated film came out at Christmas, all PJ's movies came out at Christmas, the deluxe DVD sets came out just before Christmas, the CRs came out just before Christmas, Doug's book is going to come out just before Christmas next year...you perceive the pattern. The last few years, I find myself listening to LOTR:CR music while putting up the Christmas tree and decorating the house, causing an emotional struggle for me, since I should be listening to my copious Christmas music.

So, has anyone else had this problem/experience?

(*This events was so important It was no Hard to only suffer one week of delay added without to be Angry, Only to drink a bit as the new falls... no it's not true I hate really that... .... Only to feast the receiving of the ROTK-CR.... ......It's no true but why not, it was like this..... ... )

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It's curious but I didn't remember if it was while 1995 or 1997 I have read for the first time the Lord of The Rings. so there are 12 or 10 year I know tolkien's book and I am sure it was while the summer and the movies was in winter for everybody but all the seasons are good for Tolkien's work.

(I remember I have seen on the TV something about the unfinished LOTR movie at this time I was intrigued by this but I haven't go further. and now I kwow it was good the Movie was not finished and LOTR is not for the child ... 12/15 year old at least to read it ...Maybe "The Hobbit" I could read it if I known this book )

There'll must be a Christmas without a LOTR'S events a day !!! (2009 Maybe...)
But I think there are somethings planed to keep the LOTR fans captiv while 20 years at least
I am sure the STAR WARS fans are still waiting for something...

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It'a only justice for all who have begin the quest... and it's a great Music for this. If this is like in the OST (with some differences though) the song(s) talk(s) about the solidarity and the wish of sam to save Frodo and each members of the fellowship are shown after the Ring is destroyed (excepted Boromir of course) and it seems too, the song(s) are/is for the Mountain of fire.
and it's a song for the peace that come on middle-earth. there is no music for Gollum/Smeagol falling from the cliff in the "Crack of doom" I suppose at any rate this is a decent thing. (even if the lava of the Sammath Naur is not a decent place, like he told it to Frodo when they were about the Mordor.. lol)

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otherwise

Gandalf speak with riddles, and the Grey Havens theme is heard first when he is with Pippin entrenched in a level of Minas Tirith while a Orcs tries to strike the doors.

The dialog :

Pippin: I didn't think it would end this way.

Gandalf: End? No, the journey doesn't end here. Death is just another path, one that we all must take. The grey rain-curtain of this world rolls back, and all turns to silver glass. And then you see it

Pippin: What? Gandalf? See what?

Gandalf: White Shores... and beyond, a far green country under a swift sunrise.

Pippin: Well, that isn't so bad.

Gandalf: No, no it isn't.

Weirdly it seems Gandalf doesn't look Pippin when he talks about the White Shores and it's seeming to something he would say to Frodo (if Frodo will travel to the white shore, Pippin won't find the death also).

Another and Mere explanation it's Gandalf speaks for the first time of the white Shores.

Another great theme and Music the White - Shores/ Grey Havens

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thx for the music gk (also)

Oups

A Troll not an Orc in the Message gk

But it arrived along with Alien, Harry and the Hendersons, and Fenton's The Blue Planet.

Haven't had a chance for a good listen yet, it took a decent amount of time to rip the CDs and to renumber all The Return of the King tracks so they play in order in the one file.

I got your e-mail, but every time I send a reply, I get a "delivery failure" notice. I don't know why, since the address was obviously valid enough to get your mail to me lol

By the way, I did a few lengthier suites for RotK, if anybody wants to hear them ...
"Roots And Beginnings" (7:45), "The Battle Of The Pelennor Fields" (15:56), and "The End Of All Things" (12:10).

@Ralo
I forgot to ask: Did you attend the live-performance of the Eastern Promises score? I wanted to be there, but I didn't get any tickets :-(

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@Ralo
I forgot to ask: Did you attend the live-performance of the Eastern Promises score? I wanted to be there, but I didn't get any tickets :-(

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At the Film Festival in Stockholm you mean? Nope, I had totally missed that Howard Shore would come to the Festival as well.
Anyway, just to show off: I actually won the junior edition of that Festival in 2004 with a movie me and a friend had made. We used the first bit of The Black Rider (in the field, you know) for that movie. Don't sue me now! :-D I was on live television and everything... hated it, hehehe.

I got my CR yesterday, can't stop listen to it!

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The Battle Of Pelennor Fields also has the theatrical version of the Gondor In Ascension theme when Aragorn arrives with the army of the dead, by the way, for anyone who wants it.

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Where do you want me to send it?

By the way, is anyone else slightly irritated by the way "The Battle Of The Pelennor Fields" begins? It sounds like a second or so has been cut off.

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So, Doug says on page 37 of the liner notes that the Grey Havens theme is a "returning" theme? How did I miss that, or am I forgetting something?

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I noted that also. I think that surely must be a misprint. I certainly don't remember that distinctive theme in either of the earlier two soundtracks. However, Shore does have a way of slipping themes in almost unnoticed.

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Also, does anyone know/remember why Shore referenced the Army of the Dead theme in the end of the track "The Palantir"? I'm befuddled!

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Without going to the DVD to check, I'm guessing that's in the aftermath scene when Gandalf is briefing Theoden and the others on Pippin's encounter with Sauron in the Palantir. When he says that Minas Tirith must be warned and Aragorn says he will do it, Gandalf says "no, you must look to the black ships." I'm guessing that's where that music would come in. Like I say, though, I haven't put in the DVD to check on this.

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Originally posted by gkgyver:

By the way, is anyone else slightly irritated by the way "The Battle Of The Pelennor Fields" begins? It sounds like a second or so has been cut off.

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It does seem a bit odd, the start of that track, but who knows, maybe that's exactly how the orchestra started... I dunno, though.

Thanks again for those links. Sometimes I like to make suites like that myself. Sehr nett!

Things certainly have gotten slow around here, though.

SO... now that we've had a couple of weeks with the set, what are your favorite pieces of new music from the CR (not heard on the OST)?

Mine would probably be:

The Palantír - The violent orchestral mayhem starting at 0:50. Especially that one instrument that is screaming sorta aleatorically above the others at around 1:16 - I love it! I can't quite tell what instrument it is though (the textures are just too thick).

Osgiliath Invaded - Practically the entire track, but the reworked and even MORE dissonant 'Cruelty of the Orcs' theme at 3:02 onward is just awesome.

The Stairs of Cirith Ungol - The creepy strings and winds work starting at 1:39. This one really made me stop everything I was doing, turn up the volume, and just listen. (What can I say?! I'm a Penderecki devotee!)

The Battle of Pelennor Fields - 'Nuff said.

Shieldmaiden of Rohan - My eyes were as big as quarters listening to the inexorable power of the new Ringwraith material at 0:35-1:27.

For Frodo - No, most definitely not the Fellowship theme. Rather, it's the early choral presentation of the Mount Doom chords at 0:55 that is the star of this track for me.

The Crack of Doom - The entire track.

Bilbo's Song - Again, no comment necessary.

So... anyone else?

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The Palantír - The violent orchestral mayhem starting at 0:50. Especially that one instrument that is screaming sorta aleatorically above the others at around 1:16 - I love it! I can't quite tell what instrument it is though (the textures are just too thick).

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Those are muted violins as far as I can tell

I have to say that the track that really blew me away because of its unexpected impact and grandeur is "The Land Of Shadow". I never really paid attention to it in the movie because it's mixed rather quietly.

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Originally posted by NeoVoyager:

Things certainly have gotten slow around here, though.

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That's because everybody (except me ) is occupied with listening to the CR and reading Doug's liner notes

I already ordered my ticket for the Live-Score-Performance in Lucerne in february

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That's because everybody (except me ) is occupied with listening to the CR and reading Doug's liner notes

I already ordered my ticket for the Live-Score-Performance in Lucerne in february

-Sabsi, looking forward to the Randy-Newman-concert on Saturday[/B]

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Nay!
I had to collect it from the Post Office: there was a whopping customs charge attached.

-Sabsi

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I have to say that the track that really blew me away because of its unexpected impact and grandeur is "The Land Of Shadow". I never really paid attention to it in the movie because it's mixed rather quietly.

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I have been working hard to make a "Extended Edition DVD edit" of the Lord of the Rings scores. So far, I have completed Fellowship of the Ring, and Return of the King (with only 3 sec. in the Sam/Shelob fight I am a bit unsure of).

However, there remain two passages, albeit VERY brief, that have eluded me thus far.
The first is a "noble horn" motif that plays at the beginning of franz_conrad's "The Westfold Burns", (during Disc 1, Chapter 6, "The Burning of the Westfold", 0:22:00-0:22:08), before the choir arrives. It is not in "The Three Hunters" and I cannot find it. It covers the establishing shots of the Westfold village and as Morwen calls Eothain and Freda to her.

The second is 3 descending string notes (whole steps) that play at the beginning of franz_conrads's "Olorin", (during Disc 1, Chapter 15, "The White Rider", 0:52:08-0:52:18), before the Treebeard brass motif is heard. It is neither in "Gandalf the White" or in "Fangorn" from which the subsequent music is tracked. The strings begin right after Legolas says (in Elvish) "Something's out there." and during when Aragorn says (in Elvish) "What do you see?" and Legolas says, "The White Wizard approaches."

I realize that 18 seconds of music in the course of 10 hours is pretty insignificant, and that only the most obsessive completist would ever care, but I would appreciate any help you could give me. If any of you would like to see my notes on the tracking and other edits in the three DVDs, I would be more than happy to share them.

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@ kusi81:
Me and Sabsi, we're going to meet us tomorrow befor the concert starts to have a drink or two...;-) 18:00 by the Wagenbachbrunnen on the Europaplatz in front of the KKL. Like to join?

Cheers

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Cheers <HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thank you for your message! I come with two friends from the "berner oberland" (in english may be: bern' highlands ) and I don't know when we're arriving in lucerne, BUT we could trade our phone numbers? or send me a an e-mail? [/B]<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oha! Some bern' Highlanders! ;-)
Okay. Maybe we could meet befor or after the concert.

Cheers,

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by Kusi81:
[b] <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by Horner:
[b]@ kusi81:
Me and Sabsi, we're going to meet us tomorrow befor the concert starts to have a drink or two...;-) 18:00 by the Wagenbachbrunnen on the Europaplatz in front of the KKL. Like to join?

Cheers <HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thank you for your message! I come with two friends from the "berner oberland" (in english may be: bern' highlands ) and I don't know when we're arriving in lucerne, BUT we could trade our phone numbers? or send me a an e-mail? [/B]<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oha! Some bern' Highlanders! ;-)
Okay. Maybe we could meet befor or after the concert. This is my phonenumber: 079 725 72 61.
Cheers,
Basil

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by Horner:
[b] <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by Kusi81:
[b] <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by Horner:
[b]@ kusi81:
Me and Sabsi, we're going to meet us tomorrow befor the concert starts to have a drink or two...;-) 18:00 by the Wagenbachbrunnen on the Europaplatz in front of the KKL. Like to join?

Cheers <HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thank you for your message! I come with two friends from the "berner oberland" (in english may be: bern' highlands ) and I don't know when we're arriving in lucerne, BUT we could trade our phone numbers? or send me a an e-mail? [/B]<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oha! Some bern' Highlanders! ;-)
Okay. Maybe we could meet befor or after the concert. This is my phonenumber: 079 725 72 61.
Cheers,
Basil

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:-) Yes! Are the Basil, who writes the reviews on outnow.ch? or for cinemamusica? [/B]

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Basically, anytime you're composing in a window and you see these < >, you're going to have a messed up post. I hate these messed up posts. They're ugly and impossible to read. And they take up a lot of room on the page. When they're in a bunch of off topic posts, they really make it hard to find the on topic posts. Especially if each off topic post takes up a lot of space with quoted material.

I would ask that you use the @ function which has been adopted to mean: this is directed at this person. Or Doug uses >>> quoted material <<<. Or just snip a sentence or two and put it in UBB Code which would be the word 'quote' and then '/quote' inside of square brackets. I don't think you really need to quote the whole post. You just need to give people an idea of who or what your post is aimed at.

And then I'd like to specifically point out Gregory Baker's post above. He asked me this question privately and I wasn't really able to help him. I was sure there were people here who could and I suggested he post here. Now I'm worried that his post has gotten superseded by the meet-up plans. (Horner, do you really want to publish your phone number on a forum?) I've been trying to steer people here who ask me questions and I hoping they'll get a good reception.

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The first is a "noble horn" motif that plays at the beginning of franz_conrad's "The Westfold Burns", (during Disc 1, Chapter 6, "The Burning of the Westfold", 0:22:00-0:22:08), before the choir arrives. It is not in "The Three Hunters" and I cannot find it. It covers the establishing shots of the Westfold village and as Morwen calls Eothain and Freda to her.

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That little bit of music is tracked from "Edoras"! I know what you mean, I've done an isolated score for TTT myself.
But instead of editing the music, I've edited the film to make it fit the music because I want the music to play out how it was intended.

At first I didn't know what you meant in the Fangorn sequence, but I've listened to it again, and I heard it. This little string cluster could be from anywhere in the score really, but to me it sounds like either the scene with Grima and Eowyn at the side of Theodred's bed or the very end of "The Fighting Uruk-Hai".

You're right. Sorry for the "posting faults". I was a bit in a hurry and was just responding with quotes... without editing and so on.
Won't happen again.

Thought I’d stop by the old stomping grounds, hope you don’t mind. Glad to see the conversation is still flourishing!

>>>So, Doug says on page 37 of the liner notes that the Grey Havens theme is a "returning" theme? How did I miss that, or am I forgetting something?>>>

Good eye! It’s a little Easter egg, if you will. Gotta leave something to be explained in the book! You’ll see… though I’ll warn you in advance, it’s not as straight forward as other “Returning” bits of material.

>>>Also, does anyone know/remember why Shore referenced the Army of the Dead theme in the end of the track "The Palantir"? I'm befuddled!>>>

Ah, that’s an easy one. This is the scene where Gandalf advises Aragorn to look towards the Paths of the Dead. Shore, in his characteristic brilliance, quotes just a wisp of his ghostly Army of the Dead theme.

I love that moment; that kind of ultra-subtle thematic usage / development always thrills me in the LOTR scores, and I’ve had no qualms about saying so to Howard! In fact… you know that twisted version of the Fellowship theme that plays while Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas are on the Dimholt Road—the one that begins with a half-step in the horns rather than a whole-step? I was in the booth with Peter Jackson and Howard Shore at the recording sessions, and arrived one day just as they were reviewing this scene. Howard leaned over to Jackson with a grin and said, “Watch this, Doug’s really going to like this one!”

Sometimes I think I have more fond memories than I’m justifiably entitled to!

-Doug
http://themusicofthelordoftheringsfilms.blogspot.com/

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Good eye! It’s a little Easter egg, if you will. Gotta leave something to be explained in the book! You’ll see… though I’ll warn you in advance, it’s not as straight forward as other “Returning” bits of material.

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Not *specifically*, no.

-Doug

Aha! That's very interesting. I look forward to reading about it.

>>> Ah, that’s an easy one. This is the scene where Gandalf advises Aragorn to look towards the Paths of the Dead. Shore, in his characteristic brilliance, quotes just a wisp of his ghostly Army of the Dead theme. <<<

Well, actually just read the caption and seems it was shipped that way...how awful!