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PeterK FishChip	...for the 4 billion fans of Hans Zimmer, and the 10,000 fans of JN Howard: http://www.moviemusic.com/soundtrack/darknight
posted 05-23-2008 01:54 PM PT (US)

tjguitar Standard Userer	are we expecting more of the same (ie batman begins rehash)
posted 05-23-2008 02:27 PM PT (US)

Jeron Standard Userer	Probably... but hoping for a good, bouncy, totally characteristic theme for the Joker. Also hoping that Zimmer let's JNH take the helm on some of the action material this time. Actually, I'd love a JNH-centric Batman score with little-to-no Zimmer. Think about how bad ass that'd be. [Message edited by Jeron on 05-23-2008]
posted 05-23-2008 03:18 PM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Standard Userer	I totally agree. It would be sweet. I seem to remember Zimmer talking about for the second one would be more thematic, now that Batman's earned his wings so to speak. We'll see. --Brian
posted 05-23-2008 06:32 PM PT (US)

Stargate Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Jeron: Probably... but hoping for a good, bouncy, totally characteristic theme for the Joker. I always thought Shirley Walker had the best Joker theme (even if a little cartoony) so hopefully Zimmer/JNH can come up with something as good... for some reason I doubt it, although I know I will enjoy their efforts anyway.
posted 05-23-2008 07:35 PM PT (US)

nuts_score Standard Userer	Hopefully JNH put all of his effort into The What's Happening and forgot to show up a few days to work for The Dark Knight score. More Zimmer, please.
posted 05-23-2008 07:49 PM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Jeron: Probably... but hoping for a good, bouncy, totally characteristic theme for the Joker. Also hoping that Zimmer let's JNH take the helm on some of the action material this time. Actually, I'd love a JNH-centric Batman score with little-to-no Zimmer. Think about how bad ass that'd be. Uhhh... What!? JNH was the worst part of Batman Begins and you know better than to write to crap like that. Take a breather. Even listening to all of Zimmer's Pirates: At World's End suites, it's pretty obvious that he can out-compose JNH at this stage in the game, given Howard's pathetic record in recent years: Blood Diamond was near-awful. After At World's End, I'm fine with Zimmer scoring this all his own; much to the disdain of some unfortunate individuals on this board, and Zimmer-hating-FSM. Take a third whirl at that Duke Nukem' music, mate.
posted 05-25-2008 02:09 AM PT (US)

franz_conrad Standard Userer	You assume Zimmer wrote the impressive portions of AT WORLD'S END... we already know that a couple of the best cues of DEAD MEN'S CHEST weren't (and were credited to him on album).
posted 05-25-2008 04:53 AM PT (US)

Swashbuckler Standard Userer	quote: JNH was the worst part of Batman Begins and you know better than to write to crap like that. I agree with Jeron. I found Zimmer's work on Batman Begins to be pretty run of the mill stuff while Howard's music at least had a glimmer of humanity to it. If you like Zimmer's music, good for you. But I for one would rather see more Howard in Batman Begins as well. Don't write your opinion like it is a fact. People have a right not to like Zimmer's music without being called 'unfortunate.'
posted 05-25-2008 08:28 AM PT (US)

Al Standard Userer	I'm a little taken aback by the negative JNH comments here. I appreciated the JNH material more in Batman Begins as well. His writing for strings as Alfred saves Bruce from the fire is beautiful and helps give the movie the heart it needed -- although even his music couldn't do anything for the horrible Katie Holmes scenes. Too bad the train into Gotham cue wasn't on the OST. That isn't to say I didn't enjoy Zimmer's work. The training music and the Batmobile theme pack a punch with the images on screen, but it's not as easy for me to appreciate on CD, as there's not much else to discover or experience in the music away from the movie.
posted 05-25-2008 09:16 AM PT (US)

Wedge Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Stargate:[/b] I always thought Shirley Walker had the best Joker theme (even if a little cartoony)... [/b] Only when she wanted it to be! By stripping down elements of the melody, she could cast that theme in all sorts of moods, ranging from slow menace to demented evil. (It suited Mark Hamill's vocal delivery to a "T".) See the episode "Joker's Favor" for a great example of its range. [Message edited by Wedge on 05-25-2008]
posted 05-25-2008 02:52 PM PT (US)

franz_conrad Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Al: I'm a little taken aback by the negative JNH comments here. As am I. When we consider that he wrote one of the best modern subdued superhero scores with UNBREAKABLE, he deserves a bit more respect. It's a bit easy to be catty because he got an Oscar nom for MICHAEL CLAYTON and wrote some fairly uninteresting scores last year. (Ironically, the worst trend in his sound is that he's starting to sound like whoever really writes Hans Zimmer's scores.) But he also did SIGNS, THE VILLAGE, LADY IN THE WATER... For all his faults as a director, M Night Shyamalan understands more about the power of film music than Christopher Nolan, and is more comfortable with a composer writing expressively to the action of a film.
posted 05-25-2008 05:36 PM PT (US)

Stargate Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Wedge: Only when she wanted it to be! By stripping down elements of the melody, she could cast that theme in all sorts of moods, ranging from slow menace to demented evil Yeah, you're right, I need to re-watch some of those episodes. I also remember the music for I think "The Last Laugh" sticking out as well. quote: Originally posted by franz_conrad: whoever really writes Hans Zimmer's scores. Steve Jablonsky, I'm telling you..
posted 05-25-2008 06:19 PM PT (US)

Jeron Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by sean: *Uhhh... What!? JNH was the worst part of Batman Begins* and you know better than to write to crap like that. Take a breather.** LOL!!! Pish posh. Put your tally-wacker back in yer pants, mister. Methinkes you need some Gas-X. Come here Sean. Give me a big ol' hug. [Message edited by Jeron on 05-25-2008]
posted 05-25-2008 10:45 PM PT (US)

Swashbuckler Standard Userer	For all his faults as a director, M Night Shyamalan understands more about the power of film music than Christopher Nolan, and is more comfortable with a composer writing expressively to the action of a film. I agree. The collaborations between Shyamalan and Howard have yielded excellent scores, even if I haven't been particularly partial to the films themselves. [Message edited by Swashbuckler on 05-26-2008] [Message edited by Swashbuckler on 05-26-2008]
posted 05-26-2008 07:48 AM PT (US)

gkgyver Standard Userer	quote: Uhhh... What!? JNH was the worst part of Batman Begins and you know better than to write to crap like that. Take a breather. Even listening to all of Zimmer's Pirates: At World's End suites, it's pretty obvious that he can out-compose JNH at this stage in the game, given Howard's pathetic record in recent years: Blood Diamond was near-awful. After At World's End, I'm fine with Zimmer scoring this all his own; much to the disdain of some unfortunate individuals on this board, and Zimmer-hating-FSM. Take a third whirl at that Duke Nukem' music, mate. lol ROTFLMAO Simmer can't even outcompose himself anymore, let alone others. But don't worry, I won't elaborate, you wouldn't give a flying crap about it anyway.
posted 05-26-2008 02:05 PM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by franz_conrad: You assume Zimmer wrote the impressive portions of AT WORLD'S END... we already know that a couple of the best cues of DEAD MEN'S CHEST weren't (and were credited to him on album). HAHA! Well, Michael, the only piece I like from Dead Man's Chest is "The Kraken" and that's definitely by Zimmer. As for my "assumption" with At World's End, I think it's pretty spot on, you know it too, having heard the suites Zimmer composed for the score (we discussed this mate!)... Also, it's a fair assumption too, because almost every time one of these MV/RC composers does a score on their own it's usually terrible, : John Powell is a major exception, however, but other than him I can't say that any other composer who has come out of working for Zimmer has done anything enjoyable, IMO (of course).
posted 05-27-2008 08:20 PM PT (US)

Jeron Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by sean: I can't say that any other composer who has come out of working for Zimmer has done anything enjoyable, IMO (of course). Not even HGW?
posted 05-28-2008 09:27 AM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Jeron: Not even HGW? Nope. Not even him. His additional score to Armageddon is the closest I'll come to liking his music.
posted 05-28-2008 12:53 PM PT (US)

franz_conrad Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by sean: *As for my "assumption" with At World's End, I think it's pretty spot on, you know it too, having heard the suites Zimmer composed for the score (we discussed this mate!)...* Ah, but you see I don't know it too. I know that he's credited with those suites, but what's to say it wasn't also the work of ten men, with themes played out on a keyboard and instructions given as to how to expand those out to full demos using the 'house style' of Remote Control. If there are ghostwriters in RETURN OF THE JEDI and STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE, I don't see why they couldn't account for some of the unexpectedly best parts of AT WORLD'S END. It's not only the good composers that need an invisible hand from time to time. [Message edited by franz_conrad on 05-28-2008]
posted 05-28-2008 06:23 PM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	Michael, come on, you're giving me a head ache over nothing (it could be the after hours, too, I can't tell... haha!). I know what you're saying and I know you're wrong, from reading interviews, watching the DVDs, listening to Zimmer, etc. ad-infinity. (Also, I assume you downloaded the suites CD, because there's an extra DVD on there that covers Zimmer doing the specific themes, which shoots your argument down hard--if you want I can rip a copy of it for you and mail it Down Under. And the CD liner notes are clear as to who wrote what for those suites, and all except one are all Zimmer. If you want to take that as a lie for whatever bizarre reason than go ahead.) You're also just providing needless fuel for the sorry fools who wish to harp on the "additional arrangements by" to no end, and it's boring, it's tired, it's usually off the mark, and it's about as interesting as Horner-bashing. Why don't we all just wait for Dark Knight to arrive and than we'll have a new slew of colourful/boring comments about all this all over again. Sigh. [Message edited by sean on 05-29-2008]
posted 05-29-2008 12:24 AM PT (US)

franz_conrad Standard Userer	Fair go old sport, but there's no need to accuse me of ILLEGAL DOWNLOADING!!!! I'll take your word for it then that he did all the work. No need to post anything. But I still don't think Zimmer is much of a match for Newton-Howard with the Shyala-MAN. On any other score, I'd probably agree, but then that's more a criticism of Newton-Howard than praise for Hanzie.
posted 05-29-2008 05:18 AM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	Well, my point about Howard's music was that I felt his blatant material for Batman Begins was just not on par with the blatant sections by Zimmer. I remember one of the editors at FSM commenting that he'd wanted something more from James Newton Howard on that score other than his own version of something Thomas Newman might write... I half-heartedly agree. JNH and M. Night Shyala-MAN are a perfect match: Though I'm sold by that guy's movies, I do greatly enjoy the music for them; same token, I thought Zimmer and Ridley Scott were pretty well matched up with score like Gladiator, Black Hawk Down, and Hannibal. HAHA! You download!? NO! [Message edited by sean on 05-29-2008]
posted 05-29-2008 11:59 AM PT (US)

tjguitar Standard Userer	four versions? http://www.superherohype.com/news/batmannews.php?id=7273
posted 05-29-2008 12:19 PM PT (US)

gkgyver Standard Userer	Huh? Vinyl, are they serious?
posted 05-29-2008 02:09 PM PT (US)

Swashbuckler Standard Userer	I dunno... 180 gram heavy vinyl has a tendency to sound pretty effing good.
posted 05-29-2008 02:26 PM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	Vinyl does sound awesome: I listen to my Indiana Jones scores that way. This album better be MUSIC this time around and not sound design by Mel Wesson... That's the only way I see this being a good vinyl listen. Damn, I thought this score was coming July 1. That's what my pre-order at Amazon said for for the longest time. Anyway, I hope it's better than Kung Fu Panda (HAHA!), because I'm finding this one atrocious.
posted 05-29-2008 02:54 PM PT (US)

gkgyver Standard Userer	quote: This album better be MUSIC this time around and not sound design by Mel Wesson... For once, we agree.
posted 05-29-2008 03:39 PM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by gkgyver: For once, we agree. And we both like Last Crusade. LOL!
posted 05-29-2008 03:41 PM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Standard Userer	A collectors edition? Wonder if it will have anymore music on it... --Brian
posted 05-31-2008 12:06 AM PT (US)

rkeaveney Standard Userer	I think Hans said in an interview that the music content will be the same across all the editions. You can hear it at Filmmuziek.com: http://www.filmmuziek.com/titles.cgi?go=composertalk Great interview, and it's first to reveal quite a bit about the score. Congrats to them for breaking first!
posted 05-31-2008 10:55 PM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Standard Userer	Hey, the release date has changed to July 15th. Also, an interview with Zimmer on Dark Horizons: http://www.darkhorizons.com/news08/080601g.php --Brian [Message edited by Crono/Kyp on 06-02-2008]
posted 06-02-2008 12:48 AM PT (US)

dgoldwas Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Jeron: Probably... but hoping for a good, bouncy, totally characteristic theme for the Joker. Um...yeah, that's not likely. Did you see the trailer and note Heath Ledger's portrayal at all? Seriously dude. Seriously. Read this: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/extendedplay/2008/06/batman-the-dark.html ♦ [Message edited by dgoldwas on 06-03-2008]
posted 06-03-2008 12:35 AM PT (US)

Jeron Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by dgoldwas: Seriously dude. Seriously. Actually, I've changed my mind. I have no expectations for this score. It'll be what it'll be.
posted 06-03-2008 09:53 AM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	Someone needs to stop taking serious pills.
posted 06-03-2008 12:24 PM PT (US)

scoreaholic Standard Userer	Zimmer and JNH are both good composers. My favorites from each are Broken Arrow and A Perfect Murder respectivly. I thought that the score to Batman begins was really good but I admit that what sounded like some of the Zimmer parts was a little muddy. Don't forget though that two other people contributed music to the score so how much of the score was actually Zimmer or JNH?
posted 06-04-2008 02:52 PM PT (US)

gkgyver Standard Userer	quote: "Hans Zimmer has been responsible for some of the most iconic film music from the past two decades, from Driving Miss Daisy and Lion King, to more recent scores such as Batman Begins, Kung Fu Panda and his upcoming Dark Knight." Huh? Kung Fu Panda? What the ...? If you absolutely have to praise Zimmer for some iconic music, those choices are odd, to say the least.
posted 06-04-2008 07:07 PM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by gkgyver: Huh? Kung Fu Panda? What the ...? If you absolutely have to praise Zimmer for some iconic music, those choices are odd, to say the least. I laughed HARD at where that interviewer for whatever site quotes JNH for Water Horse LMAO! Come on! Didn't even mention any M. Night scores... Sheesh-Mageesh.
posted 06-05-2008 01:27 AM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Standard Userer	You know, JNH's best M. Night score was, dare I say "The Village." And if your gonna quote a good JNH score, "Wyatt Earp" and "Snow Falling" are two fine examples. Water Horse is great though. --Brian
posted 06-05-2008 02:57 AM PT (US)

Alexborn007 Standard Userer	Amazon recently posted the artwork: Standard Jewel case edition: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51Y9MXCz3QL._SS500_.jpg Limited Edition: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51%2BhBjy4K9L._SS500_.jpg
posted 06-05-2008 03:12 PM PT (US)

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