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AaronR1074 Standard Userer	This is not a complaint. This is an inquiry. Is the Transformers score out of print? Are we getting an expanded re-release? The price is jacked up to a mind-blowing 79.99. I already have the score, but this is really kind of a bummer if they are truly phasing out this fantastic action piece.
posted 02-02-2009 06:56 PM PT (US)

tjguitar Standard Userer	It's been out of print for a long time.
posted 02-02-2009 07:30 PM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Standard Userer	Because WBR is lame... Let's hope they don't do that with "Transformers 2" --Brian [Message edited by Crono/Kyp on 02-02-2009]
posted 02-02-2009 08:22 PM PT (US)

gkgyver Standard Userer	Transformer 2? That hellbound movie is really being made?
posted 02-02-2009 09:30 PM PT (US)

PeterK FishChip	The 79.99 price is actually a bounce back from the 100+ it sold for for a few months. Why people continue to pay mucho $$$ for this when it's available for a $9 download beats me! I still have no official answer about why it was yanked after being available for all of two months. This was two years ago already.
posted 02-02-2009 09:38 PM PT (US)

TimT Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by PeterK: Why people continue to pay mucho $$$ for this when it's available for a $9 download beats me! Well there's just extra value of having a physical object to add to a existing physical collection.
posted 02-02-2009 09:59 PM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by gkgyver: Transformer 2? That hellbound movie is really being made? Thanks for the reminder of how clueless you are... http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/transformersrevengeofthefallen/ "Transformer," eh? What movie is that?
posted 02-02-2009 10:04 PM PT (US)

scoreguy16 Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by sean: Thanks for the reminder of how clueless you are... http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/transformersrevengeofthefallen/ "Transformer," eh? What movie is that? DUDE! You see that big robot at the end crash through that bridge?! I am totally gonna see this opening weekend! ... Ok that sounded sarcastic but I really am going to go see this opening weekend. Sorry, I shouldn't have fun at movies... I know... I should feel emotionally drained and beaten down. Anywho, lets hope they release a score! I am really looking forward to what Jablonsky is going to do!
posted 02-02-2009 10:43 PM PT (US)

tjguitar Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by TimT: <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by PeterK: [b] Why people continue to pay mucho $$$ for this when it's available for a $9 download beats me! <HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE> Well there's just extra value of having a physical object to add to a existing physical collection. [/B] $100 of value?
posted 02-02-2009 11:15 PM PT (US)

gkgyver Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by sean: <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by gkgyver: [b]Transformer 2? That hellbound movie is really being made?<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE> Thanks for the reminder of how clueless you are... http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/transformersrevengeofthefallen/ "Transformer," eh? What movie is that?[/B] Yes, I'm clearly living under a rock; excuse me for expanding my family instead of watching trailers for worthless Michael Bay flicks. Sheesh, I really must have taken something from you that you feast on the stupidest things ... Looks pretty desperate. To add something worthwhile, if it wasn't available now in expanded form, I'd have been willing to pay 80 $ for a flawless print of Temple Of Doom. But then, that is a good score.
posted 02-02-2009 11:37 PM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Standard Userer	Dude, everyone is gonna see this movie opening weekend! Saturday Morning Kids Unite! --Brian NP: The Postman
posted 02-03-2009 01:23 AM PT (US)

nuts_score Standard Userer	Oh, I'm going to see the movie opening weekend no doubt (but I'm more excited for G.I. Joe), but is anyone else even a little dis-heartened to see that the Transformers sequel looks identical to the last one?
posted 02-03-2009 04:48 AM PT (US)

Al Standard Userer	Dis-heartened? No. I got that out of the way during the first one. I'm just not surprised is all. I suppose I've gotten used to knowing there is no incarnation of Transformers out there that is actually as good as my nostalgic memory of it, but that said, I'm still gonna see the movie and expect for the most part to enjoy it.
posted 02-03-2009 06:59 AM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	HA! gk, I'm just giving you a hard time for no reason... Anyway, at least we agree on Temple Of Doom. I probably spent more than $80 way back when to get that Japanese CD release of it. BUT, I only spent $10 on the LP in perfect condition!
posted 02-03-2009 07:09 AM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by nuts_score: Oh, I'm going to see the movie opening weekend no doubt (but I'm more excited for G.I. Joe), but is anyone else even a little dis-heartened to see that the Transformers sequel looks identical to the last one? IMO, both the new Transformers and G.I. Joe looked bad in their Superbowl spots: The aircraft carrier getting destroyed looked good, but I imagine it's only a fleeting moment in the movie. That said, I'm really excited to hear Alan Silvestri's score to the latter! I think that'll kick-ass. Star Trek still looks like the best film of the year, and that Superbowl spot was incredible... The score, however, worries me; I'm one of those people that if I don't enjoy the score than there's no way I can get into the movie. (Good score/bad movie--now that's something different!)
posted 02-03-2009 07:14 AM PT (US)

BigT1981 Standard Userer	Yes the score for Transformers went out of print sometime last year. I'm amazed it didn't stay in circulation that long. Batman Begins' score went the same way. I hope too it Transformers 2 stays on the shelves a bit longer. I plan to buy Transformers 2' score when it's released and I plan on seeing the film too! By the way no comments from the peanut gallery please (gkgyver that is)
posted 02-03-2009 07:51 AM PT (US)

AaronR1074 Standard Userer	Transformers 2 is going to be awesome. Transformers 1, flaws asside, was good popcorn escapism. I can't imagine being a child and not having SOME kind of exposure to a Transformers, GO-Bots, Mask, or some other kind of converting vehicle franchise. As an adult looking back, it is pure nostalgia and fun. Being a fan, it was so fookin awesome hearing Prime's/Peter Cullen's voice through a photo-realistic big f*cken robot. As far as summer blockbusters? GI-Joe looks like ass. Being a huge fan of the comics, I am already P.Oed that they changed all the uniforms and made them black. Snake-Eyes was the only one dressed in black and it kind of kills his bad-assness by making all of the other characters dressed in black. They were a "Unique group of freedom fighters" meaning that every character looked different and had their own style. I'm actualy boy-cotting this film because of that #1 reason. Fast & Furious, Transformers 2, and UP! are the three films I'm looking forward too the most.
posted 02-03-2009 08:10 AM PT (US)

nuts_score Standard Userer	Frak you all! I will be the first person in line for Sommers' G.I. Joe! I've already reserved a spot on my guilty pleasure list for it. Of course it looks like ass; it's based on a Hasbro '80s action figure line and comic book series! But damn, it's got a great cast (Eccleston as Destro! Gordon-Levitt as Cobra Commander! Sienna Miller as Baroness! Ray Park as Snake Eyes! Dennis Quaid as Gen. Hawk!) which Transformers 2: Car Commercial 2 just can't compete with. Plus, a new Silvestri score bitches!
posted 02-03-2009 08:43 AM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	Andrew, you're a goof! Personally, I have no nostalgia for toys-into-movies.
posted 02-03-2009 09:56 AM PT (US)

AaronR1074 Standard Userer	<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by nuts_score: Frak you all! I will be the first person in line for Sommers' G.I. Joe! I've already reserved a spot on my guilty pleasure list for it. Of course it looks like ass; it's based on a Hasbro '80s action figure line and comic book series! But damn, it's got a great cast (Eccleston as Destro! Gordon-Levitt as Cobra Commander! Sienna Miller as Baroness! Ray Park as Snake Eyes! Dennis Quaid as Gen. Hawk!) which Transformers 2: Car Commercial 2 just can't compete with. Plus, a new Silvestri score bitches!<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE> There's a GIJoe "Silent Issue" (one of my personal favorite Joe stories I might add) that is basically Snake Eyes vs Storm Shadow where he infiltrates a Cobra base. It was one of the first issues to centralise around the relationship and character arc of these two characters. It also shows how bad-ass it really is to be the only Joe dressed in all black. I'm telling you. If you are a true fan of the GI Joe franchise, you will hate this movie based on the black uniforms alone. What do you think the toys will look like now? All the Joe's will be dressed in black. Will little kids care now if he gets Wild Bill or Hawk, the only true defining feature of them being a cowboy hat? (thats assuming they make a black clad Wild Bill.) [Message edited by AaronR1074 on 02-03-2009]
posted 02-03-2009 10:01 AM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Standard Userer	Silvestri's score is gonna rock! --Bri
posted 02-03-2009 11:49 AM PT (US)

BigT1981 Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Crono/Kyp: Silvestri's score is gonna rock! --Bri One can only hope.
posted 02-03-2009 12:33 PM PT (US)

musiclovinbeacher Non-Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by AaronR1074: This is not a complaint. This is an inquiry. Is the Transformers score out of print? Are we getting an expanded re-release? The price is jacked up to a mind-blowing 79.99. I already have the score, but this is really kind of a bummer if they are truly phasing out this fantastic action piece. No clue really.
posted 02-03-2009 12:42 PM PT (US)

nuts_score Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by AaronR1074: There's a GIJoe "Silent Issue" (one of my personal favorite Joe stories I might add) that is basically Snake Eyes vs Storm Shadow where he infiltrates a Cobra base. It was one of the first issues to centralise around the relationship and character arc of these two characters. It also shows how bad-ass it really is to be the only Joe dressed in all black. I'm telling you. If you are a true fan of the GI Joe franchise, you will hate this movie based on the black uniforms alone. What do you think the toys will look like now? All the Joe's will be dressed in black. Will little kids care now if he gets Wild Bill or Hawk, the only true defining feature of them being a cowboy hat? (thats assuming they make a black clad Wild Bill.) [Message edited by AaronR1074 on 02-03-2009] I'm very familiar with the silent issue and I would agree in the fact that it's even one of the best pieces of superhero material the medium has created. Larry Hama is a superb writer and was wisely asked to contribute to the film and act as a consultant. Costume changes stopped bothering me when I realized that sometimes things look too silly in movies. Sure, someone could come along and do them right; but at what cost? The only thing I ask of adaptations these days (particularly those of superhero comic books) is that they play faithful to the characters motivations and themes, fast and loose with the storytelling, and don't speak down to me. I'm hoping that G.I. Joe at least accomplishes two of them.
posted 02-03-2009 02:46 PM PT (US)

AaronR1074 Standard Userer	<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by nuts_score: <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by AaronR1074: [b] There's a GIJoe "Silent Issue" (one of my personal favorite Joe stories I might add) that is basically Snake Eyes vs Storm Shadow where he infiltrates a Cobra base. It was one of the first issues to centralise around the relationship and character arc of these two characters. It also shows how bad-ass it really is to be the only Joe dressed in all black. I'm telling you. If you are a true fan of the GI Joe franchise, you will hate this movie based on the black uniforms alone. What do you think the toys will look like now? All the Joe's will be dressed in black. Will little kids care now if he gets Wild Bill or Hawk, the only true defining feature of them being a cowboy hat? (thats assuming they make a black clad Wild Bill.) [Message edited by AaronR1074 on 02-03-2009]<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE> I'm very familiar with the silent issue and I would agree in the fact that it's even one of the best pieces of superhero material the medium has created. Larry Hama is a superb writer and was wisely asked to contribute to the film and act as a consultant. Costume changes stopped bothering me when I realized that sometimes things look too silly in movies. Sure, someone could come along and do them right; but at what cost? The only thing I ask of adaptations these days (particularly those of superhero comic books) is that they play faithful to the characters motivations and themes, fast and loose with the storytelling, and don't speak down to me. I'm hoping that G.I. Joe at least accomplishes two of them. [/B]<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE> There are certain times where you can just go with the flow as far as changing costumes go. Good example of that was X-Men. There's more to this than just the complaint that they look different than in the book. In the comics, the costumes actualy helped tell you what the character is visually. Ship-wreck looks like a sailor. Wild Bill looks like a cowboy. Snake-Eyes looks like a ninja in Black. Spirit looks like a Native-American. You can even say that these costumes represent individuality and a lesson to be tought to children that you CAN be different and still succeed in life. In fact, you take a strong look at most of the Joe team and they all have different costumes that represent who they are. Cobra, on the other hand, all looks the same except for their leaders and/or characters that had an arc that represented the toy-line. (Cobra Comander, Baroness, Zartan, Destro, the twins). Interestingly enough, the Cobra soldiers have different costumes based on rank. There were the traditional Cobra uniforms, Vipers, etc. Now it looks like everybody, Joe and Cobra alike, are wearing black. And I think that sucks. You want fast story-telling? They should tell it with the costumes, and reveal stuff to us as they go, just like the comics did. Now watch, we're gonna get a 2 hour origin story that we were never ment to care that much about anyways. [Message edited by AaronR1074 on 02-04-2009]
posted 02-04-2009 10:07 AM PT (US)

Widescreen Standard Userer	An excellent point about the costumes as they pertained to the 80's action figure line, comic book, TV cartoon, etc. But that's the challenge, isn't it? How do you make something like that work and have it be taken seriously in the context of a big motion picture. The route they took was a little more military, and probably will be one of the few less laughable things about it.
posted 02-04-2009 10:56 AM PT (US)

Tristan Standard Userer	I will add to this discussion by saying, being a huge JOE fan earlier in my life, I am disappointed, as well. The costumes are definitely a sore point, making it look like the Joe team is more of an XMEN, FANTASTIC 4, MORTAL COMBAT knockoff team with apparently (based on the teaser) superhuman abilities. An even greater problem I have is with the revelation of Destro's face (Eccleston) which was always hidden behind his metal mask in both the series and the comic books story (it being so horribly disfigured that it made The Baroness faint the one time it was revealed to her). The same with Cobra Commander. In the comics (in the origin stories) you only saw the back of his head (much like Vader in EMPIRE) which would work very well in this movie version, I think, if it was done the same way...but I am sure the kid, and I say kid, that is playing Cobra Commander will inevitably get his screen time. This movie version looks like a TRANSFORMERS rip off with humans instead of robots. It suffers from predominantly bad casting choices (in my opinion). Quaid and Parks are the only choices I see that are fitting. The release date of this movie (August 7) also indicates to me that it is being placed upon a secondary summer tent pole tier. It seems, if faith was strong in this film, that it would come earlier in the summer.
posted 02-04-2009 05:36 PM PT (US)

nuts_score Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Tristan: The release date of this movie (August 7) also indicates to me that it is being placed upon a secondary summer tent pole tier. It seems, if faith was strong in this film, that it would come earlier in the summer. Paramount has Transformers 2 as their early Summer tentpole. Having Joe come out later is actually a smart idea for them financially. It won't compete with their "'80s nostalgia" movie, and it's coming in a month where the usual dumping ground is. People will be craving a hyped-up blockbuster by then.
posted 02-05-2009 01:34 AM PT (US)

Tristan Standard Userer	Maybe. I still think earlier would work better like a May release to kick the summer off since TRANSFORMERS 2 comes out June 26. August seems like the time when the sleeper hits come out...to correspond to people winding down for the season. My HO, of course.
posted 02-05-2009 06:30 AM PT (US)

dgoldwas Standard Userer	My understanding for the TRANSFORMERS score going suddenly "out-of-print" is due to the fact that with the new AFM deal, you don't have to pay reuse until you hit 15,000 units sold. And they were steamrolling to that number, and WBR decided to yank the plug before they would have to pay all that re-use. (Or it DID pass that number of units sold, and they deemed it too pricey.)
posted 02-06-2009 05:35 PM PT (US)

BigT1981 Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by dgoldwas: My understanding for the TRANSFORMERS score going suddenly "out-of-print" is due to the fact that with the new AFM deal, you don't have to pay reuse until you hit 15,000 units sold. And they were steamrolling to that number, and WBR decided to yank the plug before they would have to pay all that re-use. (Or it DID pass that number of units sold, and they deemed it too pricey.) I remembered too reports said if the set sold out rather quickly that there would be a complete version released. It seems the studio execs might have forgotten about that.
posted 02-07-2009 09:31 AM PT (US)

tjguitar Standard Userer	Or, those were just unfounded rumors...
posted 02-07-2009 10:48 AM PT (US)

dgoldwas Standard Userer	Even if it were rumors or not... right now WBR has been pretty heavily affected by layoffs, and a lot of people who might have been discussing such a project might no longer be working there. That being said, if they are planning a more "complete" score release, it would make sense to time it to release around the time of the sequel. But who knows.
posted 02-07-2009 11:57 AM PT (US)

PeterK FishChip	Concurrent with the film's DVD release was the most opportune moment. Layoffs hadn't happened, fan-based clamoring was at a high. That it didn't happen then pretty much was a nail in the coffin... not the last nail, but one nonetheless. Here's to looking for pry bars.
posted 02-07-2009 04:51 PM PT (US)

AaronR1074 Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by PeterK: ...Here's to looking for pry bars. Heh, this is kinda relevant and off-topic. But Road to El Dorado was on in HD somewhere. LoL@ "Find the Pry-bar!" "Find the Pry-bar?! He's a DUMB HORSE! He doesn't know Pry-bar!!" Horse drops keys to unlock cell.
posted 02-07-2009 05:29 PM PT (US)

scoreguy16 Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by PeterK: Concurrent with the film's DVD release was the most opportune moment. Layoffs hadn't happened, fan-based clamoring was at a high. That it didn't happen then pretty much was a nail in the coffin... not the last nail, but one nonetheless. Here's to looking for pry bars. Maybe they'll release it with the Extended Cut Blu-ray and DVD that they're planning on releasing around the time of the second film... Doubtful but maybe...
posted 02-08-2009 10:03 AM PT (US)

Scorro Standard Userer	If you like Transformers, definitely checkout Steamboy... a really nice score by same composer.
posted 02-10-2009 12:36 PM PT (US)

tjguitar Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Scorro: If you like Transformers, definitely checkout Steamboy... a really nice score by same composer. Not exactly similar. Batman Begins is closer to Transformers!
posted 02-10-2009 02:39 PM PT (US)

Aman from Middle-Earth Standard Userer	I don't think he meant similar work, he meant "nice work by the same composer."
posted 02-11-2009 08:59 AM PT (US)

Scorro Standard Userer	Steamboy is more thematic and complex, but also contains plenty of the rythmic tracks Transformer fans seem to like. Steamboy's main theme is beautifully heroic. As a score Transformers is not my cup of tea (as I heard it in the movie), but Steamboy is a must have (for me).
posted 02-11-2009 10:37 AM PT (US)

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